Ways to heal Chiron wounds

R4VEN

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EJ53 said:
Oh yes!...........And taken great pride in my stubborn determination/efforts to make them do so..........until more enlightened members of this forum recently made me realise the problem was within (rather than outside of) myself.

(Maybe "that which we most pride ourselves upon" is another indicator of our Chiron wound?)EJ:)
I'd say so. With repeated behaviour in `fixing' the issue, we become so adept at the fixing (particularly the `hanging in there' until the job is done!) that the wound itself becomes an integrated part of our everyday life. Asking oneself `Why am I forever doing this?' tends to be overlooked until someone else points it out.
 
I just stumbled upon this thread and after reading the postings I did some research on my natal chart. I am Chiron in Gemini in the 8th house.
I read about issues with communication; wanting to be heard, listened to and fearing ridicule if I ever spoke up. I have to agree I LOVE to be heard and listened to especially when it comes to giving advice but sometimes (like in public forums online) I opt not to reply to postings asking for advice because I fear it will be overlooked or someone will strongly disagree...
Also I read that with my Chiron being in the 8th house I would be a great sex therapist and this kind of excited me because I am actually pursuing my certification in Sex therapy and education for couples... Regarding healing my chiron I'm not sure where to start.
Any thoughts about my research? Feedback?

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EJ53

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CertifiedDiva said:
... Regarding healing my chiron I'm not sure where to start....Any thoughts about my research? Feedback?

Hi Diva,

Your Chiron opposes Uranus, which combine with Jupiter to form a tight-orbed "Easy Opposition" - and the Sun makes this a wide-orbed "Mystic Rectangle". So, you need to determine how the combined influence of these four bodies affects your life/behaviour.

As you probably know, the challenge of Mystic Rectangles is to get all four bodies to work together harmoniously - by recognising and overcoming the problems created by the two oppositions. Once achieved though, it provides a solid foundation enabling you to cope with anything that life might throw your way.

So, your starting point is understanding the Chiron/UranusRx opposition - then the Sun/Jupiter opposition (and finally the trines+sextiles) of your mystic triangle.

The forum already has an excellent thread on the Chiron/Uranus opposition :- http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=988&highlight=Chiron explaining that it's purpose is to force the individual to confront their Chiron Wound. So, in your case, the Chiron fear of having your communications ridiculed/ignored is compounded by having unusual/free-thinking views (Uranus) on Sagitarrius matters (higher education, religion, freedom of the individual, etc.). In effect, you probably hold views/values (2nd house) which conflict with others (8th house) - causing the latter to defend their stance by ridiculing/putting down yours without proper consideration - confirming your fear of having your opinions/communications ridiculed. (I'm not explaining this well - but you can see how the cycle works to make your Chiron Wound increasingly painful until you deal with it.)

So, perhaps not surprisingly, the Sun/Jupiter opposition creates the same problem in a different way. The Sun in Leo/10th is about your need to be recognised/ the centre of attention by those outside your home environment - and Jupiter in Aquarius/4th says you are happiest at home, where you can freely express your unusual beliefs. Thus, the astrological task of this opposition is to become recognised outside the home because of your unusual views.

Hopefully, this gives you an idea of "where to start" on your work with Chiron - but, that's a long road for us all (albeit extremely rewarding). For now though, my guess is Chiron requires you to "feel the fear (of ridicule) and express your views anyway - because it might be the mainstream view that's wrong rather than yours". (See R4VEN signature.)

EJ:)
 
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autumnleaf

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EJ~I find I like reading what you have to say almost as much as I do Flea's. Very insightful and informative. One can tell you two have actually worked through your issues and lessons, not just reading responses from abook. I find myself stopping to read Flea's posts even if the topic is of no particular interest to me. I may have to start doing that with yours now. Thanks a lot, more reading to do! :rolleyes: ;)


Chiron is a fascinating subject though I still have difficulty trying to figure out its meaning/purpose in my chart. It is retrograde in H6 in Aries. My temper and lack of patience and my using the threat of violence, IMHO, are all the result of Chiron here. Anger is a comfortable emotion for me and makes me feel "safe" by pushing away those intense feelings of fear & hurt/pain. It's all I allow others to see of me. I think I have too much water (6 planets). I'm not counting the nodes or my asc which are in Pisces and Scorpio. I have that typical "stay away from me" vibe that someone mentioned in another thread is due to my Venus-Saturn opposition.

I have found only a few people whom I feel safe enough around to allow my sensitive and compassionate side be seen and felt. It's all so new to me and when I try to let myself feel and experience them I get all uncomfortable and make pukey faces, which makes these people laugh. I find it unnerving having them watch me grow in this department. Two of them have strong Leo in their charts. They use emotions I find HIGHLY uncomfortable, love and a gentleness and understanding one would use with a child, to help me in my healing. They just come strutting along and point out my fears and what they are based on and I'm like :eek: and just who the hell are you?! How the hell do you know all this?! How unnerving for a typical Scorp like me, especially when I think I've been doing a wonderful job in hiding my sore spots from others. My Leo bf made the mistake of prattling off almost to a "T" exactly what happened to me and why I act all tough and full of bravado. I freaked out and thought he was someone from my past who had betrayed me and went through my journals. I found the lamest excuse and used it to run him off and didn't talk to him for eight months. Come to find out, he knew exactly why I had run him off. So unnerving to have someone know me that well without me saying a word. Come to find out he has a Pisces Moon. I can't hide anything without him feeling my vibes and instinctively pin-pointing what's going on in my over watery thoughts and feelings! :mad: :p

It will be 4 years we've been together this March. I'm still terrified at the thought of marriage. According to this fabulous chart reading another member directed me to, I have Sun trine Black Moon Lilith to thank for my love of independence, freedom and non-conformist ways. I have issues with authority and I don't like having to answer to anybody else. Where are you going? Who will you be seeing? When will you be back? Who knows, who cares and when I get back!! :mad: :p :D
 

EJ53

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autumnleaf said:
EJ~I find I like reading what you have to say almost as much as I do Flea's.......

"Almost", AutumnLeaf...........almost?

(Just kidding...........actually, I have the same high regard for Flea as you do. Thank you very much,)

Chiron in Aries/6th points to self-esteem being an everyday problem for you - and anger can be a way of hiding that from both yourself and others. So, what you need to do is try to see yourself as others do. (Your boyfriend and the two Leo's must value you highly, as they continue to "be there" for you despite the temper issue. And, since you clearly value their views generally, it should be easy to accept that their assessment of you is likely to be correct as well.)

EJ:)
 

autumnleaf

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EJ53 said:
"Almost", AutumnLeaf...........almost?

(Just kidding...........actually, I have the same high regard for Flea as you do. Thank you very much,)

Chiron in Aries/6th points to self-esteem being an everyday problem for you - and anger can be a way of hiding that from both yourself and others. So, what you need to do is try to see yourself as others do. (Your boyfriend and the two Leo's must value you highly, as they continue to "be there" for you despite the temper issue. And, since you clearly value their views generally, it should be easy to accept that their assessment of you is likely to be correct as well.)

EJ:)


:D

Now see, comments like that are exactly what bring out my "pukey pukey barf barf" expression they laugh at. Fine! All of you are right. I hate being outnumbered!
 

R4VEN

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EJ53 said:
Chiron in Aries/6th points to self-esteem being an everyday problem for you - and anger can be a way of hiding that from both yourself and others. So, what you need to do is try to see yourself as others do. (Your boyfriend and the two Leo's must value you highly, as they continue to "be there" for you despite the temper issue. And, since you clearly value their views generally, it should be easy to accept that their assessment of you is likely to be correct as well.)EJ:)
Yes, I agree with what EJ53 says about Chiron in Aries. As a generation, (because I find that Chiron's placements in the signs is easier to 'unlock' if I look at the whole group of people with each sign.) I find that those with this Chiron placement deal with it and/or express it in one (or all) of several ways:
  • by feeling the need to prove themselves in some way - usually through over-achieving in work, sport, business, or some kind of endeavour which others can recognise. [Those with stelliums in their natal charts tend to fall into this category. My niece, born with 6 planets in Virgo, 4 in stellium, and with Chiron in Aries in the 1st, was, for the first 35 years of her life such an over-achiever. She now (at 40) seems to be settling down and looking to please herself rather than her parents, who hardly noticed what she was doing anyway!]
  • this can include going out on a limb and being the first ever to do something
  • putting others' needs ahead of your own - an expression of deep feelings of worthlessness. This can lead to a habit of `living one's life through others.'
  • aggressive (and often futile) reactions to what we see as criticism from others (which probably is a reflection of your own self-criticism and other negative self-talk.)
The thinking behind that last dot-point is that you must keep others at a safe distance for fear they'll get too close and so recognise that you actually are damaged and even worthless (in your opinion.)

I have also observed that those with Chiron in the 6th (and this is a complicated house for Chiron to occupy, by the way) tend to oscillate between being serious and steady and rational, and even co-operative with others, and being totally aggressive and freedom-seeking. One of my sons has Chiron in the 6th. He currently lives with me, and his push-pull moods (he's currently experiencing something v. difficult in his life, but all the same.....) are driving me nuts!!!
 
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autumnleaf

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R4VEN said:
Yes, I agree with what EJ53 says about Chiron in Aries. As a generation, (because I find that Chiron's placements in the signs is easier to 'unlock' if I look at the whole group of people with each sign.) I find that those with this Chiron placement deal with it and/or express it in one (or all) of several ways:
  • by feeling the need to prove themselves in some way - usually through over-achieving in work, sport, business, or some kind of endeavour which others can recognise. [Those with stelliums in their natal charts tend to fall into this category. My niece, born with 6 planets in Virgo, 4 in stellium, and with Chiron in Aries in the 1st, was, for the first 35 years of her life such an over-achiever. She now (at 40) seems to be settling down and looking to please herself rather than her parents, who hardly noticed what she was doing anyway!]
  • this can include going out on a limb and being the first ever to do something
  • putting others' needs ahead of your own - an expression of deep feelings of worthlessness. This can lead to a habit of `living one's life through others.'
  • aggressive (and often futile) reactions to what we see as criticism from others (which probably is a reflection of your own self-criticism and other negative self-talk.)
The thinking behind that last dot-point is that you must keep others at a safe distance for fear they'll get too close and so recognise that you actually are damaged and even worthless (in your opinion.)

I have also observed that those with Chiron in the 6th (and this is a complicated house for Chiron to occupy, by the way) tend to oscillate between being serious and steady and rational, and even co-operative with others, and being totally aggressive and freedom-seeking. One of my sons has Chiron in the 6th. He currently lives with me, and his push-pull moods (he's currently experiencing something v. difficult in his life, but all the same.....) are driving me nuts!!!


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I can't deny any of it, except the over-achieving part. I think I was that way before the trauma occurred and sent me spiraling. I did the opposite. I gave up everything and became a recluse and adopted the MUST KEEP OTHERS AT A DISTANCE as my new "goal" in life. I never put others before myself either. My sister used to get so mad cuz it was all about me. I was accused of being selfish, thoughtless and self-centered. I am still struggling with the negative thinking about my being worthless and damaged goods, but thankfully those thoughts just don't come into play as much now that I don't drink or do drugs anymore.
 

flea

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Blush... what can I say...but well....I am honoured by you guys. I often talk in the first person, well about myself and my experiences, maybe that is my JupR in gemini conjunct the ascendant. And I do enjoy so many people here, those present and moving on. EJ and Autumnleaf ... I definitely enjoy your posts too.... you guys keep me coming back here, learning sharing , growing.

Anyway I have found out that My NN is conjunct my mothers chiron in gemini, and my mothers NN is conjunct her mother's chiron in aquarius (plus my venus copnjunct). My grandmothers saturn is conj my mums sun. And my mars is sq my mums mars.Speaking rhetorically you think there could be some pattern here playing down the generations???

I have done a bit of family tree healing and most of what comes up is down this line. We all share a water grand trine too. And have a teaching focus in careers. Oh well the universe is teaching me about the ancestor thing.

Anyway I have come to the conclusion that we got together in this life time to transmute something that anyone of us could not singly do. The wound got expressed over a couple of generations and I am the one investigating it and doing the clearing and deciphering work.

My grandmother passed just after Jupiter crossed her chiron....another link.

Oh... I do have a tight T-square Sun square Chiron and Sun square Pluto/uranus. Not surprisingly I had an emergenrcy caeser and had breathing difficulties. My mothers waters broke a few days before and the nurses did not believe her.... I had this gorgeous norman helmet head on enertering this world. Oh gemini lunar eclispe between the waters breaking and my birth. And the space craft gemini 7 doing a circuit round the world.

Anyway, I am untangling my own wounds ( i do the odd past life clearing as it comes up) and looking at my mother and grandmother give me some demonstrations of the collective wound.

At heart the chiron wound must be the spearation from the universal ground of being. Authority issues ( I have a few) can be interpreted as the ego not willing to accept divine will, you know the equilibrium of nature and all that, we fight it. But as a consequence we block our true selfs and do not feel accepted, as we have in some way rejected the divine. Maybe us rejecting the divine is at the core of all this chiron stuff. I know in loving my mum, wound and all, it softens and opens up, transmutes, we become aware.

Oh for the lotus to truely flower in each and everyone of us.

FleaXX
 

autumnleaf

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flea said:
At heart the chiron wound must be the spearation from the universal ground of being. Authority issues ( I have a few) can be interpreted as the ego not willing to accept divine will, you know the equilibrium of nature and all that, we fight it. But as a consequence we block our true selfs and do not feel accepted, as we have in some way rejected the divine. Maybe us rejecting the divine is at the core of all this chiron stuff. I know in loving my mum, wound and all, it softens and opens up, transmutes, we become aware.

Oh for the lotus to truely flower in each and everyone of us.

FleaXX


We have in some way rejected the divine :confused: No, it's generally because whoever is in the position of authority is simply an A$$!!! :D

Seriously though, I think you may be onto something here. For me, finding my Higher Power,aka divine, again and being humble and owning up to my part in what's happened to me has been where all of the healing these last four years has come from. And as long as I don't lose that humbleness and try to start controlling things everything works out for the best.
It's funny to note that all those years that I dissed any kind of higher power, nothing good ever came from anything. Nowadays, I have more blessings than I ever hoped to receive and I just know there are many more awaiting me.

An interesting note: Aries is the "it's all about me" sign, yes? Get this, one of the most healing things I have ever experienced has been when I forget about myself and am freely, generously doing something for others without expecting anything in return but a good feeling that I helped someone else....volunteer work! It's hard to explain but I feel powerful yet humble at the same time and the good feelings that come from it are like nothing else. I go at things like a pit bull. When it's being done for personal gain I get nothing, but when I'm doing it for others my cup runneth over. My Higher Power is pretty slick too. Because I like the "high" of feeling good about myself for a change, I look forward to going back and seeing what I can do the next time.
I'll quit now as I'm rambling on in my excitement. :p They used to call me motor mouth in my pre-trauma days. Can't imagine why!

Many blessings to everyone on their individual paths of healing and enlightenment.
 

flea

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Aries is an inetresting one for me.... Intercepted! I have had a journey about expressing my intent will etc to my detriment. 6th house sun merc nept with sun on descendent.... I identify with the other far more that myself....helping the other is where I am comfortable SN in 6th too. Identifying my needs is my challenge and NN 12th points me to my spiritual needs or my needs in the context of higher good.... within the whole matrix of life. So learning what is best for me, that has no negative on anything else.....None of us do this by the way that's why we are here. That elusive equilibrium with nature and the cosmos. Our ego gets in the way and fears we will lose out to something or someone else.

My point is we all have our different paths and learing in life. Mine focuses on the more nebulous and spiritual with chiron and satrun in pisces and NN in 12th. Some need to learn to care for others... then some to care for self. We all have to learn to do for ourselves.... but sometimes the path to this is finding that there are people our there without the strong ego needs of being a winner or loser (dumb concept) allows us to beleive in a better world.

FleaXXX
 

EJ53

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flea said:
.... I identify with the other far more that myself....helping the other is where I am comfortable SN in 6th too. Identifying my needs is my challenge and NN 12th points me to my spiritual needs or my needs in the context of higher good.... within the whole matrix of life. So learning what is best for me, that has no negative on anything else.....None of us do this by the way that's why we are here. That elusive equilibrium with nature and the cosmos.

Hi Flea,

I have Cancer/Capricorn intercepted, with Pisces duplicated on 6th/7th house cusps (and Virgo on 12th/1st). As you know, this means that something about my attitude to the 6/12 axis activities adversely affects those of the 1/7 axis - with the benefits/positive characteristics of Cancer/Capricorn being delayed until the attitude is resolved.

Turned out I had to learn that we must take care of ourselves (6th) in order to stay healthy enough to take care of others (12th). The "wrong" attitude involved always putting the needs of others before myself - which, if not corrected, would lead to physical/marital breakdown (1/7) and problems both at home and in my career (Cancer/Capricorn).

Interestingly, I now see that "wrong" attitude reflecting Piscean values (sacrificing self for others) and the new attitude as reflecting Aquarian values (maximising the individual's contibution to the group).

EJ:)
 

R4VEN

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EJ53 said:
Hi Flea,

I have Cancer/Capricorn intercepted, with Pisces duplicated on 6th/7th house cusps (and Virgo on 12th/1st). As you know, this means that something about my attitude to the 6/12 axis activities adversely affects those of the 1/7 axis - with the benefits/positive characteristics of Cancer/Capricorn being delayed until the attitude is resolved.
EJ:)
OK, so pardon my slowness to uptake new information......................
Had always tended to gloss over the ol' intercepted and duplicated signs - probably since I don't have any myself, and I'm a Leo, and heck, isn't it all about me?? (seriously not so - just kidding!)......................

So what you're saying EJ is that the issues of intercepted signs cannot be worked upon effectively until one balances the (out of whack) attitides of the duplicated signs - and their houses, I'd say.

Is that how it is?
 

flea

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My interceptions are all in cardinal signs....which makes me think of manifestation. Still working out my skewed values in 2-8 houses....self worth, money, sexuality......having a positive expression of all those, releasing outdated religious dogma, could well be my issue.

Then comes the healing to express self worth and balance of all, Aries libra, and then being able to create my hopes and wishes.... 5 -11 houses. With Chrion on the 11th cusp.... it shows an eventual healing of the issues of this house... so I am working on bringin my highest hopes into being which assists and is in align with in the highest hopes and wishes of all.

You have given me food for thought as always EJ....the picture becomes clearer. I like the Picses Aquarius thinking.... it works well for me.

FleaXXX
 

EJ53

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R4VEN said:
......So what you're saying EJ is that the issues of intercepted signs cannot be worked upon effectively until one balances the (out of whack) attitides of the duplicated signs - and their houses, I'd say....Is that how it is?

Yes......Intercepted Signs and Duplicated Houses go hand-in-hand.

Most textbooks state something like "the benefits of Intercepted Signs, and any planets within them, are delayed until later in life".......but (I think) only relatively recent ones attempt to explain the "why" through Duplicated Houses, along the lines of :-

Something about the natives attitude to the lower numbered house on each duplicated sign axis creates a problem in the higher numbered houses which, until resolved, prevents him/her from being able to fully exploit the positive characteristics of the Intercepted Signs (and any planets within them).

And, I have my own theory that the inappropriate attitude may reflect Piscean Age values needing to be updated to Aquarian Age values. So, interceptions might really be about learning to help others to fish rather than doing the fishing for them.

EJ:)
 

R4VEN

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EJ53 said:
Something about the natives attitude to the lower numbered house on each duplicated sign axis creates a problem in the higher numbered houses which, until resolved, prevents him/her from being able to fully exploit the positive characteristics of the Intercepted Signs (and any planets within them). EJ:)
Now that makes such sense to me. Thanks heaps, EJ.


EJ53 said:
And, I have my own theory that the inappropriate attitude may reflect Piscean Age values needing to be updated to Aquarian Age values. So, interceptions might really be about learning to help others to fish rather than doing the fishing for them.

EJ:)
I like this theory..........
It kinda rings true.
 

natasa812

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What about retrograde Ch. I have in 1o in Aries (intercepted)- in oposition with Pluto and Uranus, trines Sun, Jupiter and Neptune, squares Venus?
Natasa
 
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