Wanting a glimmer of hope
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I would very much like to look at your chart with you and discuss your 2 questions----but we need to simplify your chart first so we can look at the most important aspects.
Right now, you have added ALL the aspects to be drawn in--including all the non planetary aspects, like the angles, nodes, asteroids, etc etc etc
It is overwhelming and not very helpful when trying to focus upon the most important info.
So can you re-do the chart, and only have aspects drawn to the planets, and maybe the angles and Chiron? But for now, take away all the extraneous noise so we can look at your 5th and your Venus/Mars square.
Right now, you have added ALL the aspects to be drawn in--including all the non planetary aspects, like the angles, nodes, asteroids, etc etc etc
It is overwhelming and not very helpful when trying to focus upon the most important info.
So can you re-do the chart, and only have aspects drawn to the planets, and maybe the angles and Chiron? But for now, take away all the extraneous noise so we can look at your 5th and your Venus/Mars square.
FraterAC
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This is not the kind of question I usually deal with but FWIW I'll give you my $0.02.
Although Venus in this chart is square Mars as you noted, it is also sextile both Mercury, ruler of the 5th, and Uranus, co-ruler of the Ascendant. Venus is also trine the Ascendant and sextile the Dsc, ie the cusp of the 7th house, the house of marriage and partnerships. Venus is also well placed in its own sign, Libra, the sign of partnerships, marriage, and harmony.
The Moon, which rules fertility, is trine Mercury, which rules the 5th house of children, and trine Uranus, ruling the Ascendant (body), these three planets thereby forming a Grand Trine (which is extremely fortunate). The Moon is also conjunct the North Node, which tends toward increase and expansion.
The Sun, ruler of the 7th, is trine Neptune and sextile Pluto. The difficulty may be represented by Saturn, a tendency to delay, which is square the Sun. Since the Sun can be the significator of the spouse in a female chart, the aspects to the Sun can describe the partner.
In my opinion, while there may be delays, there is nothing in this horoscope to rule out a satisfying partnership and children.
FraterAC
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I just ran the given birth data in the software I use at home. Can do, yes?
Hello. Thank you for your response. Yes, here is the simplified chart. Thank you very much.I would very much like to look at your chart with you and discuss your 2 questions----but we need to simplify your chart first so we can look at the most important aspects.
Right now, you have added ALL the aspects to be drawn in--including all the non planetary aspects, like the angles, nodes, asteroids, etc etc etc
It is overwhelming and not very helpful when trying to focus upon the most important info.
So can you re-do the chart, and only have aspects drawn to the planets, and maybe the angles and Chiron? But for now, take away all the extraneous noise so we can look at your 5th and your Venus/Mars square.
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Thank youI would very much like to look at your chart with you and discuss your 2 questions----but we need to simplify your chart first so we can look at the most important aspects.
Right now, you have added ALL the aspects to be drawn in--including all the non planetary aspects, like the angles, nodes, asteroids, etc etc etc
It is overwhelming and not very helpful when trying to focus upon the most important info.
So can you re-do the chart, and only have aspects drawn to the planets, and maybe the angles and Chiron? But for now, take away all the extraneous noise so we can look at your 5th and your Venus/Mars square.
very much for the interpretation. I appreciate you.
Outlook
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The easiest and best way to get what you want is to simply move to a place where you have the ‘something’ in your path that you think you miss, which you think deprives you of what you want.
but in my honest opinion, it is your saturn square sun that is causing all the impediments in your path. And when you remove one, a bigger hole immediately springs up in your path ready to swallow you, hook line and sinker.
the negativity of this square, that the block is bigger than you, consumes you.
i have witnessed this many times In others with the square, some close to me and know the utter frustration and hopelessness it generates.
not having a good contact with the saturn to drain its endless negativity, you need to work with your sun to mitigate the block. So find some good in every situation. It always exists. You just have stopped looking because the burden is to heavy. But the reality is, that everything has a 50:50 pos:neg composition and its all in the way we look at things. Thats is why so much positive thinking works.
Change your attitude, change your outlook, change your life.
the shadow of saturn fear wont go away but you will harness the negativity to use it in your life To motivate you further. All you need to do is find three examples of when you feared doing something but did and the result was good. Then keep those in mind as you fear the future step And override the fear by replacing it with the past reality that things can work.
you have excellent analytical skills. Break down that fear and replace each step with preparation to motivate you. Saturn demands huge preparation. Huge dedication. Huge sacrifice. Make sure you know how to overcome every point of failure in what you do. Always have plan b, c, d etc thought out.
sun is trine neptune and sextile pluto. Use the inspiration, gut feel and support of past experiences.
mars square venus btw is just that your venus enjoy all the fairly pretty things in life, the socialising, the feminine side but mars capricorn is only interested in the nitty gritty of succeeding and having as little as possible to be responsible for, to make sure very little gets in its way of material and financial success. Everything has a value with mars and its too focused on getting value to care about the frivolities of fun that venus yearns for. inside You are one thing, but the way you behave is quite another. The only way with this square is to make sure you cover yourself with diamonds and high value people to socialise with.
but in my honest opinion, it is your saturn square sun that is causing all the impediments in your path. And when you remove one, a bigger hole immediately springs up in your path ready to swallow you, hook line and sinker.
the negativity of this square, that the block is bigger than you, consumes you.
i have witnessed this many times In others with the square, some close to me and know the utter frustration and hopelessness it generates.
not having a good contact with the saturn to drain its endless negativity, you need to work with your sun to mitigate the block. So find some good in every situation. It always exists. You just have stopped looking because the burden is to heavy. But the reality is, that everything has a 50:50 pos:neg composition and its all in the way we look at things. Thats is why so much positive thinking works.
Change your attitude, change your outlook, change your life.
the shadow of saturn fear wont go away but you will harness the negativity to use it in your life To motivate you further. All you need to do is find three examples of when you feared doing something but did and the result was good. Then keep those in mind as you fear the future step And override the fear by replacing it with the past reality that things can work.
you have excellent analytical skills. Break down that fear and replace each step with preparation to motivate you. Saturn demands huge preparation. Huge dedication. Huge sacrifice. Make sure you know how to overcome every point of failure in what you do. Always have plan b, c, d etc thought out.
sun is trine neptune and sextile pluto. Use the inspiration, gut feel and support of past experiences.
mars square venus btw is just that your venus enjoy all the fairly pretty things in life, the socialising, the feminine side but mars capricorn is only interested in the nitty gritty of succeeding and having as little as possible to be responsible for, to make sure very little gets in its way of material and financial success. Everything has a value with mars and its too focused on getting value to care about the frivolities of fun that venus yearns for. inside You are one thing, but the way you behave is quite another. The only way with this square is to make sure you cover yourself with diamonds and high value people to socialise with.
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Yes, of course I could do that. But two reasons I don't prefer to do it that way----One, I like the native to take the responsibility when seeking help with their chart. And two, it is easier to discuss it together when we are looking at the same simplified version of the chart. And it makes it possible for others to do so as well.
Outlook
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Katy I am sure you ment well. And you are right that too much info creates too many distracting lines. But all it did was run her chart to form. Yet another block in her road! All her saturn does is create obstacles.
in the future Normalia, it is best to do a standard chart, as you now have done and also to provide the transits for the day. Many questions rely on transits and its helpful for us to see those. So best to get into that practice!
So you would go to <extended chart> and select <natal and transit> chart. It defaults the transits for todays. You can change the date for any date past or future date you want to question.
in the future Normalia, it is best to do a standard chart, as you now have done and also to provide the transits for the day. Many questions rely on transits and its helpful for us to see those. So best to get into that practice!
So you would go to <extended chart> and select <natal and transit> chart. It defaults the transits for todays. You can change the date for any date past or future date you want to question.
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Your big 3 are Virgo/Aquarius and Aries. Interesting that your big three are so different from each other—Earth/Air/Water and Mutable/Fixed/Cardinal, so you are probably a complicated soul. With Aquarius rising, I mean that in a good way.
Your chart is built around a Fire Grand Trine involving Moon/Mercury/Uranus with a Kite from Venus/Libra in the 8th of intimacy and intensity.
Fire Grand Trines can initiate excitement in others and accelerate creativity, giving you an adventurous persona and a thirst for nonstop activity and momentum. That Fire energy is passionate, bold and reactive, but sometimes impatient.
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The complexity kicks in because Your Sun in Virgo is squaring Saturn on the MC… That mutable square blocks some of your Fiery motivation and optimism. It can be like an internal struggle which makes you second guess yourself and your plans and ideas. Am I doing the right thing and should I make that commitment?
It also can make you a bit too critical of others making them feel sensitive and perhaps hurt at times. This criticism is also internalised and can become self criticism when under stress.
Your Sun trines Neptune in the 11th and I think that can help you work through your Saturn Square to the Sun. Neptune in the 11th is the Spiritual Community, your network of friends and contacts, and your beliefs and visions about the Cosmos, etc.
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You asked specifically about relationships and the square between Venus/Mars. Venus in Libra wants to share their world with a partner and create a long-standing relationship that lasts through the test of time—but perhaps the square from Mars makes that a bit of a struggle at times because one might make risky choices or jump in or out, too quickly ?
That square does not make it impossible it just makes it complicated and one will need to learn how to reign in your feisty Moon/Aries which can be difficult for some partners to handle. Significant others may feel that you are sometimes hard to get along with because you change your mind so quickly then change it back again? Inconsistent perhaps at times?
As for your 5th being empty, that in itself is not a problem. It is not only what planets are located in a house, but what sign is on the cusp and what the ruler of that house is that is of primary importance.
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,Mercury rules your 5th house cusp. And your Mercury is very well aspected and conjunct your 7th of partnership. It trines your Moon, sextiles Venus and exactly trines Uranus. My first thought is that you may become a mother suddenly through marriage or unusual circumstances like adoption. There is nothing saying you cannot have your own child ,however Aries, Gemini and Leo are not particularly fertile signs, and these are the significators of your 5th.
Why are you asking for a glimmer of hope? Have you been feeling hopeless? With that powerful Fiery Grand Trine I hope not. Your exact trine from Mercury conjunct the 7th cusp of relationships, trining Uranus in the 10th makes me think you will have many sudden opportunities to attain that loving relationship at some point.
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Sometimes, the best antidote for a natal Sun/Saturn square is to learn how to combat those obstacles, one step at a time.
Haha. Yes, I have been in my feelings lately. Thank you for interpreting my chart.
Your big 3 are Virgo/Aquarius and Aries. Interesting that your big three are so different from each other—Earth/Air/Water and Mutable/Fixed/Cardinal, so you are probably a complicated soul. With Aquarius rising, I mean that in a good way.
Your chart is built around a Fire Grand Trine involving Moon/Mercury/Uranus with a Kite from Venus/Libra in the 8th of intimacy and intensity.
Fire Grand Trines can initiate excitement in others and accelerate creativity, giving you an adventurous persona and a thirst for nonstop activity and momentum. That Fire energy is passionate, bold and reactive, but sometimes impatient.
The complexity kicks in because Your Sun in Virgo is squaring Saturn on the MC… That mutable square blocks some of your Fiery motivation and optimism. It can be like an internal struggle which makes you second guess yourself and your plans and ideas. Am I doing the right thing and should I make that commitment?
It also can make you a bit too critical of others making them feel sensitive and perhaps hurt at times. This criticism is also internalised and can become self criticism when under stress.
Your Sun trines Neptune in the 11th and I think that can help you work through your Saturn Square to the Sun. Neptune in the 11th is the Spiritual Community, your network of friends and contacts, and your beliefs and visions about the Cosmos, etc.
You asked specifically about relationships and the square between Venus/Mars. Venus in Libra wants to share their world with a partner and create a long-standing relationship that lasts through the test of time—but perhaps the square from Mars makes that a bit of a struggle at times because one might make risky choices or jump in or out, too quickly ?
That square does not make it impossible it just makes it complicated and one will need to learn how to reign in your feisty Moon/Aries which can be difficult for some partners to handle. Significant others may feel that you are sometimes hard to get along with because you change your mind so quickly then change it back again? Inconsistent perhaps at times?
As for your 5th being empty, that in itself is not a problem. It is not only what planets are located in a house, but what sign is on the cusp and what the ruler of that house is that is of primary importance.
Mercury rules your 5th house cusp. And your Mercury is very well aspected and conjunct your 7th of partnership. It trines your Moon, sextiles Venus and exactly trines Uranus. My first thought is that you may become a mother suddenly through marriage or unusual circumstances like adoption. There is nothing saying you cannot have your own child ,however Aries, Gemini and Leo are not particularly fertile signs, and these are the significators of your 5th.
Why are you asking for a glimmer of hope? Have you been feeling hopeless? With that powerful Fiery Grand Trine I hope not. Your exact trine from Mercury conjunct the 7th cusp of relationships, trining Uranus in the 10th makes me think you will have many sudden opportunities to attain that loving relationship at some point.
Thank you
FraterAC
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Understood.
Your venus is strong, placed in Libra, whose ruler is Venus. Your mars is strong in Capricorn, making you ambitious.
I agree it is Sun square Saturn that cause the issues.
When transiting Jupiter enters mid-Gemini, and Cancer, you will be more fertile, and have many chances to get pregnant.
Finally, my friends with Venus square Mars have a sex appeal that makes them irresistible.
I agree it is Sun square Saturn that cause the issues.
When transiting Jupiter enters mid-Gemini, and Cancer, you will be more fertile, and have many chances to get pregnant.
Finally, my friends with Venus square Mars have a sex appeal that makes them irresistible.