Violent aspects in a mans natal chart?

Osamenor

Osamenor

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Lonerose99 said:
@Osamenor My granddaughter has Neptune in Pisces on her 11 cusp.
She was born in late Nov of 2012. Turned 10 her recent bday.
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That's because Neptune first entered Pisces in April 2011. Then it retrograded back into Aquarius four months later and re-entered Pisces after six more months in Aquarius. People born in 2011 or 2012 might have it in either sign. All of them are Neptune cusp babies.

The very oldest currently living Neptune in Pisces natives are now about to turn 12.
 
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Lonerose99

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Osamenor said:
That's because Neptune first entered Pisces in April 2011. Then it retrograded back into Aquarius four months later and re-entered Pisces after six more months in Aquarius. People born in 2011 or 2012 might have it in either sign. All of them are Neptune cusp babies.

The very oldest currently living Neptune in Pisces natives are now about to turn 12.
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The planet "clocks in" at 0°25, yes. Gemini Asc with Sag Sun in 7 and a Taurus Moon in the 12th. Still a child, I'm not sure how Neptune's conjunction to Chiron at 5 Pisces will play out. 🤔
 
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sentR89day

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Saturn in Aries. It can be of two extremes. The man is either very passive, almost a wallflower. Or, he's overly aggressive, abusive, or defensive!
 
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Lonerose99

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Saturn and Mars both in Scorpio, with a Leo Pluto square to Mars, Mars square to Aquarius Mercury, and Pluto/Mercury in opposition! Verbally confrontational to the max! One wonders if or when the physical violence will erupt! A trickster, very sly and crafty.
 
Osamenor

Osamenor

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sentR89day said:
Saturn in Aries. It can be of two extremes. The man is either very passive, almost a wallflower. Or, he's overly aggressive, abusive, or defensive!
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Really?

Everyone born within 2.5 years has the same Saturn sign. That's a very broad brush to paint a whole 2.5 year birth cohort with.

The influence on personality really depends on Saturn's aspects with the personal planets, and how much influence it has over the chart overall. If it's on an angle, that's a strong influence. If it's a singleton, that's a strong influence. If it aspects everything else, that's a strong influence.

I can see tight Saturn aspects between Saturn and Mars playing a part in aggressive or violent tendencies. But again, how it shows up depends on the rest of the chart, and, crucially, on how the native lives with that energy.

Saturn being in Aries sets it up for possible mutual reception with Mars. If Mars is in Capricorn or Aquarius, while Saturn is in Aries, not only is that mutual reception by sign, it's also mutual reception by aspect. Both Capricorn and Aquarius see Aries. That would really rev up both planets, via each other.
 
IRIS70

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dr. farr said:
With a strong disclaimer that other factors MUST be taken into account (such as house, sign, dodekatemorion ramification,elevated/pitted degree placements, etc etc) the following I would consider as MAYBE being indicative of strong, aggressive responses (based ONLY on the planets and aspects given)

-Sun/Mars square
-Moon/Mars opposition
-Moon/Pluto conjunction
(possibly also the Venus/Pluto square)
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I agree with what is mentioned here, but I wish to add a few more:
Moon/Venus in a harsh aspect to Pluto/Mars, especially in combined with a harsh Moon/Venus -Uranus aspect.

However, I never judge a chart focusing on a single aspect! How many of us have got harsh aspects to our Moons/Venus/Mars? Too many, I gather, so the whole chart needs to be assessed.
If we are interested in having a relationship with a person and suspect violence, it is good to check synastry. If their Pluto/Mars falls on our Moon/Sun/Venus maybe there will be issues.
Midpoints are important too. What if your ASC/Sun/Moon falls on his Pluto/Mars midpoint?
 
Claire19

Claire19

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Lonerose99 said:
@Osamenor My granddaughter has Neptune in Pisces on her 11 cusp.
She was born in late Nov of 2012. Turned 10 her recent bday.
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What relevance does this have? Neptune on 11th cusp in Pisces would relate to group contacts, sciences and technologies, human rights and the aspirations for future of humanity. Societies, clubs, fraternities, sisterhood, community organisations and if Neptune is strong then perhaps a church or religious affiliation. There may be a danger of drugs, alcohol issues with group associations if Neptune is challenged... However the whole chart needs to be seen for aspects elsewhere . astro.com Geocentric, Tropical, Western with Placidus house system.
 
Humanitarian

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AppLeo said:
I always thought Mars-Venus conjunction, especially when one or both of them is debilitated
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Theres only one case when Mars and Venus are both conjunct and debilitated is Mars and Venus are both in Gemini in esoteric astrology, since they are in the opposite sign to Sagittarius, the sign which is ruled by ray 4 of harmomy, ray 5 of knowledge and ray 6 of unconditional love, so Mars and Venus in Gemini are both have a debilitated ray rulership. (Venus = ray 5, Mars = ray 6, but Venus is the esoteric ruler of Gemini so it's going to wobble a bit)
 
ashriia

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LostNOzarks said:
What about violence in a woman's chart? It's all the same. An angry mars with no outlet for expression other than close family or mate. But that being said - whatever sign combination represents a sun or mars emasculated in a male chart or female chart - there will be a problem. They will be out to hurt anyone who is in their way for whatever reason. Women tend to beat when they are in fear and Men tend to beat when they are in fear. Mars in anyone's chart will show a beater. Look at it closely. Mars overpowered by Saturn or Moon. Also - beatings can be a multiple way thing. If you are looking for evidence of beatings, look to saturn. Look at johnny heard and amber depp. beatings were multi dimensional, neither got out before it got ugly. the difference of mercury is how the story played out for two willing 'beaters' of each other.
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I am a woman with an "angry mars". I have never beat anyone, never gotten into a physical fight, never been verbally abusive. Granted I have a temper, if pushed too far. (Argumentative) I think its too much of a blanket statement, if mars is angry, so are you.

Although if you are referring to mars afflictions with Saturn or Pluto than I certainly agree. Saturn the sadist, and Pluto the homicidal maniac.

I do attract partners with violent tempers. For reference I have mars square sun, mars square uranus, in a nice happy t-square with sun.

Another thing that should be taken into account with Amber Heard, she is a Taurus sun. Taurus will stay the course, till the bitter end. I think in part due to not being able to accept they were wrong about someone. I read once out of all the astrological sun signs Taurus is the most likely to stay in abusive relationships and bad marriages far longer than any other sign. I definitely agree.
 
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Whenever I see mars square pluto in a mans chart I feel "nope, bye". However its such a dynamic aspect and all the male actors I found super charismatic, dangerous looking, really good at getting their genuine emotions out and amazing and scenes where they have to be real harsh, emotional and strong has pluto square mars. I am really good at sensing this aspect in males now.

However in real life I would stay away from this energy bc it feels dangerous. Mars square or opposite uranus I feel like "nope" aswell, very "combustive" and erratic energy that can turn violent
 
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blueaurelia

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ashriia said:
I am a woman with an "angry mars". I have never beat anyone, never gotten into a physical fight, never been verbally abusive. Granted I have a temper, if pushed too far. (Argumentative) I think its too much of a blanket statement, if mars is angry, so are you.

Although if you are referring to mars afflictions with Saturn or Pluto than I certainly agree. Saturn the sadist, and Pluto the homicidal maniac.

I do attract partners with violent tempers. For reference I have mars square sun, mars square uranus, in a nice happy t-square with sun.

Another thing that should be taken into account with Amber Heard, she is a Taurus sun. Taurus will stay the course, till the bitter end. I think in part due to not being able to accept they were wrong about someone. I read once out of all the astrological sun signs Taurus is the most likely to stay in abusive relationships and bad marriages far longer than any other sign. I definitely agree.
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Nah Amber Heards sun (and n.node) is very tightly opposite pluto in scorpio. She has a very strong plutonic sun foremost that will trump over her taurus sign big time.

I know that all too well and very intemately as I too have taurus sun and mercury opposite pluto in scorpio.

I am always surpried when people miss this detail about her. Pluto is also in contact with her mars, jupiter and mercury so yeah quite plutonic and in her case a non-evolved pluto regards to how she has been in her relationships and with handling the Depp case. I hope she can heal and evolve with time.
 
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deandv

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Osamenor said:
You're 104 years old?

That's the only way you could possibly have Pluto square an Aries Sun and Saturn conjunct a Leo Moon. That combination hasn't existed since 1918.

But during Aries month in 1918, Venus was in Aquarius and Pisces and Mars was in Scorpio. That would make the Venus and Mars aspects you're describing impossible.
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no, im 18. i dunno tho, thats what my birthchart shows me. i’d show you if you didnt believe me
 
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