USA: The Upcoming Venus Sun Conjunction Jan. 9, 2018

piercethevale

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Regarding this Full Moon upcoming on Jan 31st, the "Super Blue Moon" as it is being touted (of which I posted and image of the chart for that event in post #55 above), is very significant in its symbolism as the Sun will be conj. the USA's natal Part of Genius for one thing...the other thing I find to be so significant is that the I.C., the "HOW" of the mundane solution, in the 19th degree of Gemini is conj. the same degree as that of the natal Mars taken from the chart I produced and contend is that of Yeshu'a (Jesus) of Nazareth. It is also that charts Part of War/Rage, Part of Ideal Love (how appropriate is that? His natal Mars, Part of War/Rage and Part of Ideal Love all being conjunct. To wage Ideal Love was Yeshu'a's idea of waging war.) and it is also that charts', Part of Play.

The Asc., the "WHO" as to us concerning the situation, in the 9th of Pisces (ibid.)

"PISCES 9°: A JOCKEY SPURS HIS HORSE, INTENT ON OUT-DISTANCING HIS RIVALS.
KEYNOTE:
Intense mobilization of energy and skill in the drive for success in any social performance affected by the competitive spirit.

(this symbols')"... technical significance is quite evident. Every superfluous "weight," every unnecessary consideration is to be dismissed in the one-pointed attempt to reach one's social goal. SELF-QUICKENING may be the Keyword."


The Desc., our collective destination, the "WHERE-TO" or "WHOM-TO" which ever aids to the understanding, as to the current situation our collective society finds itself enmeshed in and is also the Part of Fortune for the event chart.

"VIRGO 9°: AN EXPRESSIONIST PAINTER AT WORK.
KEYNOTE: The urge to express one's individualized sense of value regardless of tradition.

At this stage the individual is seen reacting against cultural standards and stereotyped ways of interpreting his perceptions. This is a statement of uncompromising self-reliance, which may even imply a kind of defiance and a challenge to society. The mind is seeking to discover the character of the basic and true foundation of individual selfhood, the AUM tone (or logos) of individual being. In the process, however, what is expressed is usually the reflection of a deep catharsis with emotionally charged and often tragic overtones.
This fourth stage symbol brings to us the hint of a technique of transformation of the personality. What predominates is a sense of inner conflict and an over-selfconscious attempt at 'being oneself'. But there is a great difference between being an origin of development pregnant with futurity, and deliberately sought for ORIGINALITY."



...what Dane said about "At this stage the individual is seen reacting against cultural standards and stereotyped ways of interpreting his perceptions. This is a statement of uncompromising self-reliance, which may even imply a kind of defiance and a challenge to society." is, once again, a notice of "Transformation Construction Ahead" ... drive slowly and cautiously through the "cone zone" please...

Now as to the "HOW" of the event... recall that it is conj. with those four major league influences from that 2015 year old natal chart I treasure so much and if you are an American citizen, of the good ol' USA and also happen to consider yourself a Christian, keep this in mind this upcoming event, and in the days that soon follow it, as to just what it is the Cosmos is asking us to implement at this time... (ibid.)

"GEMINI 19°: A LARGE ARCHAIC VOLUME REVEALS A TRADITIONAL WISDOM.
KEYNOTE:
Contacting the all-human planetary Mind underlying any cultural and personal mentality.
Occult tradition tells us that all cyclic manifestations of the human mind have had a primordial revelatory Source. It speaks of ancient books made of especially treated papyrus leaves and conveying through symbols the archetypal processes at the root of all earthly existence (see Blavatsky's Secret Doctrine). Such volumes, said to remain in the possession of certain Adepts, constitute the 'exteriorization' of archetypal knowledge and wisdom. They contain the "seed-ideas" from which the human mind grows, cyclically producing cultures of various types.
This fourth stage symbol evokes for us the 'technique' by means of which the human mind can uncover the foundations of its nature and acquire what might be called SEED-KNOWLEDGE, the knowledge of the structure of cyclic and cosmic manifestations of life on this planet."


The M.C. as to the "WHY" of the mundane matter: (ibid.)


"SAGITTARIUS 19°: PELICANS MENACED BY THE BEHAVIOR AND REFUSE OF MEN SEEK SAFER AREAS FOR BRINGING UP THEIR YOUNG.
KEYNOTE:
The need for people concerned with the future to discover a new way of living and more wholesome surroundings.
The evident reason for using 'pelicans' at this stage of the cyclic process is that tradition tells us that these birds are so concerned with their young that they give their own blood and flesh to feed their progeny. Whether this is fact or symbol, the meaning of this picture refers to a situation that lately has acquired great urgency. Our technological society is polluting not only our global environment, but the mind and feeling-responses of new generations as well. The search for a new way of life is seen by many people to be imperative.
In this fourth symbol of the fifty-second sequence we are told that the race's SURVIVAL has become a matter of extreme importance. Whole animal species may be destroyed by our civilization; mankind itself is in danger. Going to distant planets is hardly the answer. A generation may have to sacrifice itself for the sake of its descendants."

...Well, we're back to the main issue first brought up here in this thread and which has been the root issue for a good long while now...

IT'S ALL ABOUT THE CHILDREN... WHAT WILL BE THEIR LEGACY?
 
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david starling

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Another school shooting. There's a nihilistic attitude among many disaffected young people--"WHATEVER" taken to its worst possible extreme. As the old order begins to crumble, without the envisionment of a new one, the value of existence itself is rendered meaningless.
 

JUPITERASC

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Another school shooting. There's a nihilistic attitude among many disaffected young people--"WHATEVER" taken to its worst possible extreme. As the old order begins to crumble, without the envisionment of a new one, the value of existence itself is rendered meaningless.

Evidence Unraveling :smile:

A Giant False Flag At Florida High School Shooting -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIebkbRZ8r8


Nikolas Cruz Appears In Court Zombie Like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIRRxTRLI8U



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JUPITERASC

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http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative/2018/02/if-america-was-bamboozled-fl-school-shooting-report-crisis-drills-multiple-shooters-videos-3362525.html
If America Was Bamboozled: Florida School Shooting Report Crisis Drills, Multiple Shooters +Videos
https://youtu.be/g67mCOP75sk

Editor Viewer Comment Insert from last video: Watched this livestream. 1st red flag: NBC came on air and had a helicopter already flying over the whole perimeter announcing ” we have news of an active shooter”?! Seriously? Helicopter already airborne from the airport? You could see that all branches of police/SWAT, fire depts., EMTs, ambulances and the military were already there! 2nd red flag: parents were calling the news stations saying ” we were told today is an active shooter drill day”? 3rd red flag: students were going through the motions believing it is a drill yet….Feds were all over the place?! Feds? FALSE. FLAG…..AGAIN. Anytime there is a ” drill” get the blank of Dodge!

I don’t want to labor the issue about the Florida shooting as being nothing more than a psychotic lone gunman versus a “Deep State” operation false flag we have warned everyone about a couple weeks ago when Dems warned Americans that by releasing the “FISA Memo” there would be “mass shootings and possible Oklahoma style bombings,” but since we’re in a psychological war between truth and fiction, it is easy to fall prey to rumors from both sides meant to confuse and spin whatever the truth might be. Therefore….(WE) must consider the obvious and partially rely on eye witness reports, now being censored as always.
Credible news teams at the scene, on that dreadful day, two in particular are being censored. We in the Liberty Movement are lucky enough to see both sides of the news and in most cases can effectively determine which side is lying, or scripted by unknown sources, because one side has an agenda and the other side only wants the truth.

While the Dems (as always) jump on the gun issue with fake claims of sorrow and how bad the gun is, while campaigning on that issue almost every time, the Dems continue to fail at every turn, because the facts fly directly in their faces when logic and statistics show the problem is actually them and their own cities while pushing for more “Gun Free Zones” and unrealistic demands.

We know their bottom line is not just further regulating and removing certain weapons from the shelves….their goal is an Australian type, across the board confiscation of every weapon owned in the country. Their plan is to also wipe clean the entire U.S. Constitution and replace it with a United Nations Human Rights Constitution for everyone around the world. So righteous in their endeavor to eventually enslave humanity in-order to steal a country’s resources, continue their pedophilia craving and child trafficking around the world, eugenics, but mainly…..to gain power and control while getting richer.

Weapons in the hands of responsible persons dictate what government can or cannot do, but Dems cannot fathom losing power, therefore, it’s the guns they want instead of solutions for secure schools and proactive involvement by students to be trained to seek-out the troubled individual.

If America was bamboozled into allowing this government to begin gun confiscation, immediate civil war…not between races, as what is being perpetuated, but would be a majority of Americans against a rogue / illegal government…..as we are seeing in Venezuela controlled by socialist / communist Leftist.

A new market would quickly emerge as a result of “gun confiscation” with thousands of black market weapons being smuggled across the open and unsecured borders into the United States. Forget about handguns and AR15′s, the black market of weapons would be serious war weapons and bombs.

If that were to happen, ya think maybe the Dems in control would think twice about a “Trump Wall?”
However….the “Socialist Utopia” idea of a gun free America would quickly change to a more dangerous and violent paradigm as lone shooters turn into “suicide bombers” killing hundreds with one press of a button in their hand.

What would be your excuse then Dems ??


Florida High School Shooting – State-Sponsored False Flag Or Just A Violent Event?

Numerous shooting incidents in America turned out to be false flags. Most often suspects are killed. Dead men tell no tales.

False flag incidents aim to stoke fear. The 9/11 mother of them all launched endless US wars of aggression, the incident used as a pretext to wage global war OF terror at home and abroad, not on it.

It’s too soon to know whether hidden motives lay behind Wednesday shootings at Majory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida – a violent incident or state-sponsored false flag?


Suspicions are warranted when mass shootings in US or European cities occur. Was suspected 19-year-old gunman Nicolas Cruz guilty of mass murder or a convenient patsy?


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JUPITERASC

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Florida High School Student Heard Multiple Shooters
& Talked To Nikolas Cruz
A high school girl in Parkland, Florida says that she recognized Nikolas Cruz at the school.
She said she heard shooting in another part of the building while talking to Cruz
and that Cruz did not have a gun when she spoke to him :smile:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKRU46UPnYs
 

piercethevale

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I had been avoiding the news in general this past month as for the reason my room mate of the last 8 years and long time friend for more than 26 years has been hospitalized since Jan 31st and underwent an operation for colon cancer just this past Tuesday. He survived the operation but is still in the hospital in the intensive care unit. He at first complained of only indigestion a few days after New Years, then began complaining of constipation and despite my efforts to get him to see a doctor a few days later He held off from doing so for almost three weeks and hardly ate anything the entire time.

I did finally read about the incident only this past morning for the reason an old friend and childhood schoolmate that is an avid hunter posted some comments on facebook about the inevitable outcry for more gun control that has resulted as a backlash.
I actually thought that this was likely a genuine, i.e. self initiated, incident and not a "false flag" for once although the account given that said a woman in a van drove to the school and delivered a gun to the suspect was very puzzling and disturbing and did smack of some kind of conspiracy as it was hard to believe that any legitimate gun dealer would deliver a gun to a school address and to someone that was just visiting the school at that...never mind the fact that He is so young as to look as if He still was in school or that He is barely 19 years of age and so easily concluded, or assumed, to be either a student or recently former student of the school.

Your contributions here, JUPITERASC are most illuminating and very, very, disturbing at once.

While I do wish I didn't have to know of such matters at the present time one cannot keep their "head in the sand" forever. I wish the same could be said of the majority of Americans that have been doing so since 9/11 ...and to be thoroughly honest about that matter...most have been doing so since the assassination of J.F.K.

...even more honest... it pretty much began when Woodrow Wilson allowed the European bankers to issue and regulate the monetary currency of the United States over 100 years ago.

While I think that president Trump is a pompous *** I thank God that Hillary didn't get the office. She would of had us at war with Russia by now.

As Russia was a part of the Soviet Union when the cartel that is promoting the N.W.O. was formed (a cartel which has an elite membership of many of the wealthiest individuals on earth) one can surely conclude that there are no Russians that are of such a cartel. Trump is certainly not a member either...almost certainly, I should write...as one can never be all too sure of anything regarding such matters, but I'm rather convinced. And as Edgar Cayce said in 1944 just a few months before his death, while giving a reading in trance, "Out of Russia will come the true freedom of mankind" ...and note that He said Russia, mind you all, and not the Soviet Union as Russia no longer existed as a political entity and the entire reading was giving predictions for the future of many nations identified as political, and not regional, geographic or cultural, entities then it should be abundantly clear to all that these are quite dangerous and desperate times here in the United States.

Russia sent a very touching and genuinely heartfelt memorial to the United States not long after 9/11 dedicated to the souls that perished and what did the Bush regime do with it? They had it erected in a most isolate and obscure location and made no mention to the media about it, that I know of... or at least the media made little or no mention of it.

...and who was it that gave Eric Snowden sanctuary?


Спасибо вам, дорогие люди и единомышленники, любители нации России. Пусть Бог благословит вас всех.

Sincerely, ptv
 
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david starling

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One thing I've noticed about these Tropical Ages I've been attempting to present, is, that the there is always a "foremost representative" for each Age, as seen through the lens of modern history, and it changes from one Age to the next. For the Tropical Age of Libra, it was the Tigris Valley culture, known as Uruk--"the Cradle of Civilization". Then, Ancient Egypt for the Age of Scorpio, followed by the Greco-Romans of the Age of Sagittarius. The pattern as to when an Age-representative occurs, is logical, based on: Cardinal/innovative, Fixed/established, and Mutable/variable, within the context of one seasonal quadrant. The Cardinal innovations are held off until the last decant by traditional resistance, and culminate at the Ending. The Fixed-Age culture begins in the beginning of the first decant, with the innovations available and resistance quickly overcome. The Mutable-Age has the first decant for absorbing the past seasonal developments, culminates in the middle decant, and prepares for the change-over to the next season during the last decant.
So, the Winter season of Ages began chronologically around 400 A.D., but the Cardinal-sign Age of Capricorn didn't show its true innovative nature until the 1700's, which is when the United States gradually formed into the representative culture of the Age. Based on this pattern, the representative Aquarian Age culture will arise in a geographical location somewhere other than the U.S., and will be off to a quick, irresistible start. Maybe in Russia, but not Russia as it has been, or is now--the tipping-point for the massive paradigm shift hasn't occurred yet.
 

david starling

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Florida High School Student Heard Multiple Shooters
& Talked To Nikolas Cruz
A high school girl in Parkland, Florida says that she recognized Nikolas Cruz at the school.
She said she heard shooting in another part of the building while talking to Cruz
and that Cruz did not have a gun when she spoke to him :smile:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKRU46UPnYs

Any students or teachers who say they DID did see him shooting? Apparently, one kid says he saw him taking the gun out of its case, and told him to run for it. It's POSSIBLE he then delivered the gun to the actual shooter and took the blame. Or, the girl was told what to say, in order to muddy the waters.
 

piercethevale

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One thing I've noticed about these Tropical Ages I've been attempting to present, is, that the there is always a "foremost representative" for each Age, as seen through the lens of modern history, and it changes from one Age to the next. For the Tropical Age of Libra, it was the Tigris Valley culture, known as Uruk--"the Cradle of Civilization". Then, Ancient Egypt for the Age of Scorpio, followed by the Greco-Romans of the Age of Sagittarius. The pattern as to when an Age-representative occurs, is logical, based on: Cardinal/innovative, Fixed/established, and Mutable/variable, within the context of one seasonal quadrant. The Cardinal innovations are held off until the last decant by traditional resistance, and culminate at the Ending. The Fixed-Age culture begins in the beginning of the first decant, with the innovations available and resistance quickly overcome. The Mutable-Age has the first decant for absorbing the past seasonal developments, culminates in the middle decant, and prepares for the change-over to the next season during the last decant.
So, the Winter season of Ages began chronologically around 400 A.D., but the Cardinal-sign Age of Capricorn didn't show its true innovative nature until the 1700's, which is when the United States gradually formed into the representative culture of the Age. Based on this pattern, the representative Aquarian Age culture will arise in a geographical location somewhere other than the U.S., and will be off to a quick, irresistible start. Maybe in Russia, but not Russia as it has been, or is now--the tipping-point for the massive paradigm shift hasn't occurred yet.

While you have been a most respectful member of this forum and have been very supportive of some of my own threads conducting yourself with impeccable decorum I should have at least taken some time to check out those of your own and posts made to others' threads but the truth is I've not had a great deal of free time to do such things as I had in the past and that has been the way it is for more than a couple of years now.

I have absolutely no idea of what you are going on here about "tropical ages".
I've never heard of such a thing before. Some astrologers insist that civilization began in the Age of Taurus and that we've progressed through (or recessed, as some will insist) through that Sign along with that of Aries and Pisces so far, but I have seen evidence indicating as far back as the last Age of Leo When the Sphinx and the Great Pyramid were built around apprx. 12,500 B.C. as that is why the Sphinx is in the form of a Lion.
It's late here and it has been a long day so forgive me if I don't want to do the math and give the aprrx. date that last time it was the Age of Capricorn but it should be enough just to say that it was so doggone long ago that it matters little at the present in light of the fact that there is no recorded history in existence, at present, of what all went down in such an age of antiquity.

...also...

In the matter of the recession of the equinoxes every age is a Cardinal Age otherwise it wouldn't be the age of the Sign the equinox is found to be in.
 

JUPITERASC

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While you have been a most respectful member of this forum and have been very supportive of some of my own threads conducting yourself with impeccable decorum I should have at least taken some time to check out those of your own and posts made to others' threads but the truth is I've not had a great deal of free time to do such things as I had in the past and that has been the way it is for more than a couple of years now.

I have absolutely no idea of what you are going on here about "tropical ages".
I've never heard of such a thing before. Some astrologers insist that civilization began in the Age of Taurus and that we've progressed through (or recessed, as some will insist) through that Sign along with that of Aries and Pisces so far, but I have seen evidence indicating as far back as the last Age of Leo When the Sphinx and the Great Pyramid were built around apprx. 12,500 B.C. as that is why the Sphinx is in the form of a Lion.
It's late here and it has been a long day so forgive me if I don't want to do the math and give the aprrx. date that last time it was the Age of Capricorn but it should be enough just to say that it was so doggone long ago that it matters little at the present in light of the fact that there is no recorded history in existence, at present, of what all went down in such an age of antiquity.

...also...

In the matter of the precession of the equinoxes
every age is a Cardinal Age
otherwise
it wouldn't be the age
of the Sign the equinox is found to be in.

Siriusly - so we precess from one Cardinal Age to another :smile:
 

david starling

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PTV, when one has studied something assiduously for as a many years as I've studied the Astrological Age concept, including the opinions of so many others on the subject, it's easy to make the mistake of assuming that others will automatically know what you're talking about--for that, I apologize. The Sabian symbols are new to me, so I look to you for illumination concerning your field of knowledge. :biggrin:
One question: What's your opinion regarding the use of Tropical Charts? There are some Astrologers who have an "either/or" attitude, concerning the validity of Tropical and Sidereal readings.
 

JUPITERASC

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Any students or teachers who say they DID did see him shooting?
Apparently, one kid says he saw him taking the gun out of its case, and told him to run for it.
It's POSSIBLE he then delivered the gun to the actual shooter and took the blame.
Or, the girl was told what to say, in order to muddy the waters.
In less than a week since they survived a mass murdering gunman attack on their school
two student who quickly became media stars of the Parkland, Florida school shootings
are now media obsessed to the point they say
they are snubbing
an invitation to meet with President Donald Trump this Wednesday
in favor of appearing on a televised town hall with CNN’s Jake Tapper.
One student, in particular, David Hogg seems articulate and highly skilled
at setting a new anti-Conservative/anti-Trump narrative behind the recent school shooting.
Few have seen this type of rapid media play before
and when they have it has come from well-trained political operatives
and MSM commentators.
Immediately, these students-turned-activists threw up some red flags.
In what seemed initially as an incredibly odd move for a high school student
Hogg’s vehemently defended the FBI
and placed the blame squarely on the President’s shoulders
before admitting that his father was in the FBI.
Many in the FBI have been working against the president from the start
with the most notable case being the Obama Administration
alongside the Clinton campaign’s attempts
to push the false ‘verification’ of the junk Steele Dossier.
It has also been widely reported that
the FBI received tips well in advance of the Florida school shooting
and decided for whatever reason, not to act

The fault for this tragedy lies squarely on the shoulder’s of the FBI
who could have prevented this back in January.
Hogg, in a recently uncovered early cut from one of his interviews
appears heavily coached on lines and is merely reciting a script.
Frequently seen in the footage mouthing the lines he should be reciting
Hogg becomes flustered multiple times
and apologizing and asking for re-takes :smile:
David Hogg Can't Remember His Lines When Interviewed
for Florida school shooting https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=32&v=bvz3NsbptNc
 

piercethevale

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PTV, when one has studied something assiduously for as a many years as I've studied the Astrological Age concept, including the opinions of so many others on the subject, it's easy to make the mistake of assuming that others will automatically know what you're talking about--for that, I apologize. The Sabian symbols are new to me, so I look to you for illumination concerning your field of knowledge. :biggrin:
One question: What's your opinion regarding the use of Tropical Charts? There are some Astrologers who have an "either/or" attitude, concerning the validity of Tropical and Sidereal readings.

You may notice that I no longer use the attributes of the Signs in analysis.
The Sabians are permanently affixed to the equinox and hence why I use Tropical as a place reference.
The attributes are somewhat correct for tropical as I believe these attributes have been noted and recorded over the last thousand years or so...but they will change given more time.
It's not Scorpios that are obsessed with sex but rather it is the Librans ...Why?
Maybe because it is truly the last Sign of the Zodiac when one begins with Virgo 30* and moves all through the 360* in the procession of spiritual transformation as regarding the Sabian Symbols.
The scales of Libra aren't symbolic of it being the middle-most Sign but rather they represent the scales that weigh ones' deeds at the end of life.
As it is said that the last act of a dying man is that He gets an erection for the need to propagate and continue the species, perhaps that is why Librans (by the Sidereal ..,.not Tropical) are of such a manner.
Kind of brings a whole new meaning to that movie title "Die Hard" ...don'tcha think?
 

david starling

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So, with Precession, you have the Aquarian Age already taking effect, using Cayce's start date, and bringing the Sabians along with The Vernal Equinoctial Point?
 

piercethevale

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So, with Precession, you have the Aquarian Age already taking effect, using Cayce's start date, and bringing the Sabians along with The Vernal Equinoctial Point?
It's the Signs that move with the procession. The Sabians are permanently affixed to the Equinox. The first day of Spring will always be that Sabian Symbol of Aries 01* Tropical.

The chart I contend is the true natal chart of Jesus/Yeshu'a demonstrates this fact in that the Sabian Symbols have not moved in the over 2000 years since His birth. ...again, another most excellent reason for titling my book "A Template For The Time". I have a belief that every truth to be found about how astrology actually works can be found through that chart. If a technique one believes to be valid or one is uncertain of doesn't work when applied to that chart, then it isn't a valid technique. By that I mean, so many folks have made comments as to why the chart couldn't possibly be that of the Prince of Peace for one reason or another that has something to do with Sign, or House placement, or Lord of some domain or another... They all had best re-think what they believe or discard the technique they have applied to arrive at such a conclusion. The preeminent one being that the birth occurred in 7 B.C. because only the stellium that occurred that year could have produced the "Star of Bethlehem". That 'Stellium" theory is ludicrous as any astronomer or astrologer worth even half their salt can tell just by looking at a chart cast for that time. I have a pretty good idea of what caused that "Star" to appear but it is a bit too much for the general public to comprehend and accept at this time... in fact it may not supposed to be known outside of a very small and tightly closed circle. Remember that only the Magi seemingly recognized it's appearance and knew what it signified. It's still only a theory but I have the evidence and it's the only thing that makes sense but it also requires a belief in clairvoyant abilities and what my longtime friend, spiritual confidante, and renowned clairvoyant, Clarisse Conner told me some years ago concerning a matter of astronomy that I inquired about and what she told me way back when I first met her concerning the parameters of what she "is allowed" to discuss. I can't tell you anything more than that as I don't wish to be visited by those that set those boundaries except that they wear all black and that's all I can say about that. Maybe that will give you an idea?

The Sabian Symbols are not exclusively astrological in nature it just one of many applications that can be made with them. As to how they influence through these set positions in the cosmos (i.e. the Equinox} then obviously has nothing to do with the constellations. Quite possibly it could be our own Sun that is the source of the emanation of these Divine precepts or perhaps it is the Angelic that is behind them. All I know for sure is that in the last 2015 years they haven't moved.

Edgar Cayce was all over the use of astrology He said that in the form it was currently being practiced that it would do far more harm than good and admonished all for their belief in an effective Tropical Zodiac. He also said that not everyone was effected by all the planets and a study by a group that compiled all his readings that made mention of astrology determined that most people are effected by from four to six of the planets. (Moon included)

So how does one determine just what planets do have an effect on them? I figure that only the most reputable and proven clairvoyant will be able to do that or that it will take years of observation to determine that.
I have the uncanny luck of being influenced by them all... lucky me:annoyed:

Author Trevor Ravenscroft said that the bloodline of the House of David is particularly affected by astrological influences. He also said that the brother and uncle of Jesus/Yeshua (James and Joeseph of Arimathea) settled in the vicinity of, what is nowadays known as, Glastonbury England at around 42 A.D., took local women for wives and propagated. My mothers family came from Cheshire, England which is about 180 miles North of Glastonbury, in 1683. There are more ancestors on my moms' side of my family that came from nearby areas too. I'm about 3/8ths English by birth. What does that suggest to you? (My mother was also part Scot, German, Powhatan and likely Choctaw N.A. My father's parents were from Italy)

Rudhyar once wrote that he had reached his limit as to what he could figure out about correct astrological interpretation and that he believed it would take someone in the future that might come along that is an astrologer with a complex enough chart that it incorporates at least some portion of all the possible matrices (at least one aspect of every type possible) to fully comprehend how it all clicks... I'm paraphrasing here as I read that so long ago the exact words have long since fled my memory.
It wasn't until 2008 that I realized I am such a person in that I have at least one or more of every aspect, from an opposition to a semi-septile, in my natal chart. I have 7 points, in my natal chart, of a 12 point matrix which was completed by transit in early 2008. According to author Dorothy Leon, whom incidentally was provided by my publisher for assistance in writing my book, the 12 point matrix is "the path of true discipleship". Dorthy claims to be the only living disciple at this time of a legendary (mythological?) entity that is identified by the name of St. Germain. Edgar Cayce was once asked if St. Germain spoke through him at times and He replied, "Yes, when needed". St Germain is also associated with Mdm. Blavatsky and Dane Rudhyar was invited to the West Cost of the U.S by Annie Besant, married Leadbetter's former secretary and it was Ms. Besant that encouraged Dane to study astrology, write his first book on the subject, "The Astrology of Personality" and had it published for him with the Theosophist's own publishing house.

Me? For all I know I just some f***ing guy that thinks He has written a book about astrology.:bandit:

I hope that answers some of your questions.

May God bless you in your striving for true astrological knowledge, ptv
 
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piercethevale

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Thanks--quite an answer! Anything from Casey about Satufrn as the "Greater Malefic"?

I don't recall anything offhand but I'll keep it in mind every time I consult any of his readings and make note of what I find.

...whoa...wait a minute... I do recall his extrapolating on the different planets and more than once. I seem to recall where to find one of those readings and I'll get on that ...it's really late, though. I spent the evening with an old friend and we shared most of a bottle of 12 year old bourbon... and I was in the process of "having a nite-cap" before I turn in. The USA women's hockey team just won the gold...which I got to watch live...the news just came on and announced three copy-cat incidents today at schools in California (Kids carrying weapons, a fifth grader making threats and barricading himself inside a classroom... geezuz, what ever happened to playing hooky?

What I do recall now... off hand...about Cayce's remarks concerning Saturn is pretty much what traditional astrology already has had to say about it. Although Cayce did go much further in saying that we spend existences between lives here in the physical plane on Earth existing in other forms on other planes on the planets within our solar system. Something about having to complete the entire series and passing the grades before we can move on to higher realms outside this system.

Yet, He also said that it is only in this physical realm here on earth that we truly have the option of exercising our free will.

I will review it all and see what else was said... although I likely did read it before but I concentrate on what is relevant to the here and now and figure that what pertains to the "hereafter" will take care of itself when the time comes.

My opinion is that when you are aligned with Gods' will and live your life accordingly what the Stars say matters little... but who among us can say they live their life so accordingly?
I'm pouring myself another right now... and I don't need it. It's just that I want it.

I can't walk on water and in fact I can't even swim but if I were in a desperate situation that required such to "make it happen" I haven't the slightest doubt that if I pray for such it will be so. I know that sounds just too far out there and walking on water is ...well...wow, but I've been given that kind of grace a few times in my life as to acts that just couldn't possibly be.
Yet they happened
Now, most people would think that having witnessed and all the more so having been involved in such miracles shouldn't I be living an exemplary life from then on? ...and I have been asked as such by a couple of people that are privy to the the truth of the facts of what occurred. But, I'm just the kind of guy that after I walked across a lake and delivered what ever it is I was supposed to that then seeks out the nearest tavern, orders a beer and puts some money in the jukebox and dances the boogaloo the rest of the night,

Does that sound like b.s to you? it should as it does to most folks...but that's my story and I'm stuck with it.

Cayce once said in a reading that Jesus was really just a regular guy...when He was more or less "off duty"... that he liked to hang out with his buds, play some music, sing, share some wine, and have a few laughs. (Can you imagine? Can you picture that? I get a chuckle out of it... but it's beautiful.)

Am i a fraud, an I mental, am I delusional? I don't know. Maybe I'm really locked away in some institution somewhere and I'm imagining all of this... and if you are reading this maybe you're locked away in that institution too and we're sharing a delusional fantasy?
You tell me.

Keep the faith... and IF IT IS a delusion, make the best of it and have fun... what else could you do? What else would you do?

Now if you'll excuse me, I want to put on some music and do a little boogaloo before I hit the hay.

Shake it.. shake it .. shake it... it feels soooo good to dance the boogaloo the night away.

As Ram Das once wrote; "It's the only dance there is"


P.S. Very few people realize it but Jesus/Yeshu'a spoke through Cayce on at least a couple of occasions. If you can obtain a paperback copy of Jeffrey Furst's book "Edgar Cayce's Story of Jesus" ... a book that is written around a compilation of readings given to people that were incarnate at the time He was on earth, you''ll find those readings on pages 352 -3 and there's at least one more ...that i can't presently remember where in the book that in which He tells everyone that he has already returned to earth a number of times and assumes physical form and mingles with us and that he is a bit appalled at what is being promoted as 'Christianity' and how people that call themselves "Christians" conduct themselves. In other words the Second Coming has already come and gone...and the third, and the fourth...
Cayce said that the Messiah is not a person but rather an event and it hasn't happened yet. From what I got out of it, it is something as like the Pentecost... that is to say that the Holy Spirit will descend upon mankind and whatever that entails will ensue from there and then.

It could happen tomorrow, it might not happen for decades or even centuries... it's not for us to know when, beforehand.

If you have complete faith you can sit in the corner of the tavern, sip your beer and wear a bemused grin. What I call a bourne-a-grin Christian :pinched::whistling::biggrin::wink:

Meanwhile dance, don't stop the dance, it's the only dance there is.
 

david starling

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Casey himself has a Mercury/Saturn/Venus Conjunction in Pisces Tropical, Aquarius Sidereal. He's famous among Tropicalists as a Sun Pisces, but in your Sidereal settings, his Sun would be in Aquarius as well. Tropically his Ascendant is in Leo, Sidereally in Cancer.
 

david starling

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Since you're using Casey's Sidereal settings, and you say he didn't like Tropical, I'm looking at that Sidereal version. VERY impressive [IMO]. I think he had Saturn under control, with it sandwiched between Mercury and Venus (that's both Tropical and Sidereal, but more so in Sidereal). Did some quick research, and apparently he considered Saturn to be linked to our lowest Chakra, and Jupiter to our highest. Also, connected Saturn to Purgatory.
 
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