USA charts - the ultimate debate

Monk

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If you press on all links given on previous link you will know Ben. Frankin was in France during early period of the French Revolution, actually before that he was in England ref. below:-
http://www.benjaminfrankinhouse.org/site/sections/default.htm

http://en.wikpedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin_House

He wasn't anywhere near Philadelphia during the period of Declaration of Independence...we must allow that he wasn't the crucial astrologer!

Actually Frank i can't help in showing this....it was another astrologer, i don't know who?

He was in America, when Washington D.C. was established...this area is full of Egyptian alignments....perhaps he helped!

Next thread section is about THE WHITE HOUSE...Please respond!
 

Frank

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Correction of a factual error. Franklin was in Philadelphia and an active member of the Second Continental Congress and served on the committee that produced the Declaration of Independence in June/July 1776.
 

Monk

Premium Member
Great Stuff Frank, thank you, obviously in dealing with world history there is margin of error, trust a Philadelphia historian to put me right!

Okay we know that Franklin was an astrologer!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poor_Richard's_Almanack

We now know he was in London between 1757- 1775

http://www.brlsi.org/proceed05/lecture0904.htm

But in researching all world countries....i made a mistake, i thought he then went to France, several years later we have him master of Les Neuf Soeurs!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_Neuf_Sœurs

Frank, your information puts Franklin as astrologer in this small period in 1776 in Philadelphia, thank you for being the historian in your part of the world.....link below:-

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/benjamin-franklin-sets-sail-for-france

So we must investigate Franklin for Declaration of Independence!!!!!
 

Monk

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As i have been looking at midnight charts including Jupiter....please note, nothing to do with NAZI PARTY, but opposite can show some philosophy, and nothing to do with Ben Franklin or George Washington, who i like....no connection but philosophy matters....like to know what you think Frank!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Workers'_Party

Graph below on attachment.
 

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Monk

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Okay Frank,
Lets Move on to the White House, Franklin was there as we both know, you asked for an astrologer and together we must agree on Franklin, he was an astrologer behind the scene!

Jacques de Molay was arrested on 13th October 1307, however it has great symbolism to masons, please scroll down to "Arrest and Charges"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_de_Molay

It is hardly astonishing that it is a date connected to the White House, symbolism and paran star alignments are everything, obviously i work on Brady's programme on parans i do have other astronomy programmes, indeed it is true these are activated by sunset, sunrise and midnight, any location in dealing with this usaully can only show around 21 days out of 365 when this can be used regarding Sirius and Alnilam being the centre star of the Belt of Orion....midnight, sunrise or sunset on the four angles, but just one alignment isn't enough, place your bets how many historical alignments i can show in Washington D.C. under this method?

Construction started on the White House on 13th October 1792, link below:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House

Midnight paran alignment, Sirius rising in the East on graph below:-
 

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Frank

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Okay Frank,
Lets Move on to the White House, Franklin was there as we both know, you asked for an astrologer and together we must agree on Franklin, he was an astrologer behind the scene!

Benjamin Franklin died on April 17, 1790.
 

Rushwing

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Uranus must be in the 1st House during a certain period, because there's no other way to explain the sub-generation running around with $14,000 worth of tattoos and body piercings charged on their parents' credit cards.
I digress, but when I read this I laughed out loud and literally spit up my tea. I wish I could rank your post. It was wonderful. Can I see a link to your proposed chart? Because that description basically is me! (Although I spent my own money on the tattoo, I did run around a lot when I was younger) So I figure you are talking about my generation. (Eighties kids?)

Also, I've been going with Sagittarius rising myself.

I just read this in a link about Pluto in Sagittarius. Its just a tribe though, its not from a lauded website or anything.

"When Pluto arrives in Sagittarius, we will have a world conflict in various religion-based wars. Islam vs. Capitalism is one likely prospect."

I think this works for me. So Bob can I see your chart? I'm gonna go with yours. Especially after considering pluto transits. But really your Uranus comment Made My Day.
 

Monk

Premium Member
Sorry Frank,
Just noticed your reply, i am aware of date Franklin died, but are you aware of the legacy and connection to the astronomer Andrew Ellicott, i would find it dubious to leave it all in the hands of the slightly off beat L'Enfant, who lost his job in history involving Washington D.C.
http://www.lewisandclarkphila.org/philadelphia/philadelphiaellicott.html

Perhaps i should continue giving approx. 50 alignments and dates regarding Washington D.C....at least then the odds of chance have time to filter through to astrologers regarding parans....does it really matter who was the prime astrologer, mostly all countries have the same thing going on!
 

Monk

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There are going to be questions now as i have shown that Sirius was rising by paran regarding 13th October 1792 with White House construction date, well now i'm going to show that in Washington D.C. on October 18th 1911, that Sirius was rising in Washington D.C.......how can that happen, obviously precession can't swallow all that in just over 200 years.
The answer is Local Time against large chunks having the same time, England didn't always have the same time, look at Bristol Time:-
http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/info/bristol-time.htm

A lot of things changed in America after "The International Meridian Conference" in Washington D.C. in 1884:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Meridian_Conference

So lets look at the House of the Temple under "History":-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_the_Temple

Groundbreaking on 31st May 1911, ancient Greek daymarker established, sunset on previous day...Sun sets with Sirius paran, on 30th May 1911, graph on attachment.

Cornerstone put in place on 18th October 1911, and dedication on 18th October 1915, both dates will show same thing using midnight day marker, Sirius rising in the East!

Have a look at Lincoln Assassination below:-
http://www.mauricefernandez.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2094&start=0
Two pages.
 

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Monk

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Further charts must wait, i'm slowly uploading stuff on a New Website, that should have a website address in January 2012.

By paran in the Northern Hemisphere you need a straight line up from South to see what is in the middle of the sky, however in the Southern Hemisphere you need a straight line up from North regarding astronomy and parans.

A 20th Century continuation of what you see with star alignments in 1776, would be "The National Security Act of 1947, put in place on 18th September 1947, link below:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Act_of_1947

Indeed a lot of defence/defense was put in place by new alignments by Truman, who was a 33 degree mason, some that shows the same date are below:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Air_Force
And Below:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Intelligence_Agency

As the Sun rose, in Washington D.C., Alnilam is in the centre/center of the sky, classic esoteric alignments....found attachment feature a little fuzzy, so will use another attachment feature.

http://2012forum.com/forum/download/file.php?id=3907&mode=view

If too small, left click on graph.

Brady stuff is very interesting, most astrology/astronomy programmes have faults, i'm not sure if Brady has now put in the U.S. Daylight Saving changes that were put in place in 2007.

You must add an hour to from 2nd Sunday in March until 1st Sunday in April, it is correct after this.

You must add an hour after last Sunday in October until 1st Sunday in November, it is correct after this....if you are thinking of buying Brady's starlight...i have mentioned this fault to Brady.
 
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Monk

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So Frank,
As you want to investigate the astrologers of Washington D.C., and Philadelphia, i will give 3.

Franklin, travelled far and wide, and must know about enlightenment and hermetic beliefs. He is at the centre of the Philosophical Society.

The Ellicott family must be investigated, links already given, but there is a third person, Benjamin Banneker, link below:-

http://www.math.buffalo.edu/mad/special/banneker-benjamin.html

Strangely enough on link above near end, he is noted as an Ethiopian...did he follow these principles?

Funny isn't it that New Year is the same as Coptic calendar in our era?
Funny isn't it that He wrote about BEES, very esoteric concept?

http://mill-valley.freemasonry.biz/worrel/beehive.htm
Be aware that web-site does go on a bit!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beehive
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thout
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_calendar

Funny isn't it that part of New Zealand Parliament buildings are named the BEEHIVE?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand_Parliament_Buildings
I could work it out for you!

Do i think there is a world wide conspiracy? NO i don't, all religions have esoteric beliefs at centre, but obviously there is greed through the ages!

But those who know about esoteric beliefs know the symbolism of 9/11...no one told you did they? Thats as far as i go, not interested in other conspiracy theories...it's all too complicated with world history!
But i love researchers that can help...are you one that can?
 

Frank

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Also, when I do research I insist on primary sources for validation - not secondary or tertiary sources.

I also don't have enough time to do reseach that I want to do, so I'm unlikely to do someone else's legwork for them.
 

Monk

Premium Member
Sorry Frank for misunderstanding, by your comments on previous page asking about the astrologers during this period, i thought you were researching this and were about to share on forum.

I too am busy so last post for a long while.

Carpenters Hall, Philidelphia, they voted to proceed with building on New Years Day 1770, at midnight M.C. is 10 degrees Cancer, by projected Sirius is at 10*55' Cancer, thus in orb of one degree!
http://www.ushistory.org/carpentershall/history/smith.htm

Franklin started the Junto club, William Parsons was a member that was an astrologer.

Although Franklin started the Philosophical Society in 1743 it had lapsed into inactivity by 1746, a new society was formed on 2nd January 1769, and at Philadelphia location ancient Greek day marker was established, being sunset on 1st January 1769 at 16:41pm, as the Sun set by paran, Alnilam, Belt of Orion was rising in the East by paran, interesting when you think of D.O.I.

Finally the philosophy isn't only masonic, Utah joined the Union on 4th January 1896, that is known as the Beehive State, emblem on flag and seal.
Ancient Greek day marker used at sunset in Salt Lake City on 3rd January 1896, while Alnilam was rising by paran within the four minute margin.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah

I really have to go now, i'm very busy myself, i will try to add more in a few months, sometime next year, Thanks.
 
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Monk

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Sorry Frank,
I thought about it and must continue for a few threads, in truth i'm not interested in "who were the Astrologers of D.O.I., i'm interested in firm dates in history, if i give a wikipedia link, it is because i have researched the date by other sources, i know it won't change every year, other sources link can....firm dates can be investigated as you please, if a problem i will show it!

Really important to D.O.I would be date that this section of war finished, we all know it flared up again approx. 1812, due to British Maritime Practices, and fear from Imperial British politics over Canada being effected, different subject!

Date war concluded was 3rd September 1783 in Paris, known as Treaty of Paris (1783)
Link:-
http://www.ourdocuments.gov/doc.php?flash=true&doc=6

Greek day start established by sunset previous to 3rd September 1783, being 18:35:27 pm. by Brady Parans, as Sun set, Alnilam on Nadir angle in Paris within four minutes of time equal to 1* degree, graph below on attachment:-
 

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Monk

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So we know that D.O.I. started by the paran Sun rises with Alnilam in Philadelphia on 4th July 1776, by Brady and other astronomy sources, i have many astronomy programmes, don't have much time for projected measure but i will take account of it as it has been used countless times in electional astrology...but isn't accurate!

We now see that this period of war finished in Paris on 3rd September 1783, and by ancient parans, Greek day start would have been sunset on day previous, while Alnilam on Nadir, classic esoteric Paran astrology!

Another example would be the Federation of Australia, marked in Sydney Australia on 1st January 1901, by midnight paran, Sirius culminating, by Sunrise paran, Alnilam setting, and by time of start 12:00 pm. Sirius roughly on Nadir, as prayers started, link below:-
http://www.abc.net.au/federation/fedstory/fedday/events/fev_inaug.htm

Parans below:-
http://2012forum.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4657&mode=view

Strange coin minted a hundred years later below:-
http://www.australianstamp.com/Coin-web/aust/bulldec/silver/200131oz.htm

bigger picture below:-
http://www.australianstamp.com/Coin-web/aust/bulldec/silver/200131zr.gif
 
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Monk

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In looking at ancient paran electional astrology, did you know how similar D.O.I. is to the Meiji Constitution?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meiji_Constitution

Meiji Constitution 29th November 1890 in Tokyo graph below:-
http://2012forum.com/forum/download/file.php?id=3834&mode=view

Did you know that all Japanese expansionism into China and Asia were marked the same way?

I'm not sure we can verify Franklin quotes below, i don't have access to Franklin quotes in all Poor Richards Almanacks.
http://www.archure.net/astr/BenFranklin.html
 
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Monk

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We are coming up to the 70th anniversary of when the United States entered the 2nd World War, being 7th December 1941, attack on Pearl Harbor/Harbour.

Same alignment as Meiji Constitution, marked at sunrise while Alnilam is setting within four minutes of time....but the attack on Pearl Harbor had something else, planets have a greater orb than fixed stars, thus we find Jupiter conjunct Desc......enemies using Jupiter for good fortune!

Nearest point would be Pearl City, link below:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_City,_Hawaii

Very apt for the Land of the Rising Sun to use Egyptian day marker (sunrise).

Graph below:-

http://2012forum.com/forum/download/file.php?id=3826&mode=view

I really must now return to the website construction that i share with other researchers.
 

JUPITERASC

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I'm no expert Monk, however I follow your comments with interest and I ponder the implications - Many thanks for taking what must be considerable amounts of time to research, prepare and then offer this information for those interested to mull over :smile:
 
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