USA charts - the ultimate debate

sentR89day

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Sagittarius rising might explain why our waistlines are a bit expanded (in general). Although I am unsure if Sagittarius risings, or Sagittarians, are necessarily a bit chubby.
Although I think our expanding waistlines are more our Sun in Cancer conjunct Jupiter in Cancer. Jupiter (expanding) stomach (Cancer). It could also be our Cancer stellium, in general.
 

Monk

Premium Member
Parans, sunrise day marker with Alnilam rising:-
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DC80

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happy birthday usa 4 july 1776, "about 11 am" philly,usa
I realize you're not American, and don't have full grasp of the English language, but your congratulations are in error.

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America....
State = country
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united Countries in America... is what it actually says.

That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States.....

State = country

That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent Countries....

The colonies were united only in their desire to be independent countries free from British rule and nothing more.

Please craft a logical coherent astrological explanation why the September 4, 925 or December 25, 1066 charts should not be used for England.

Note that in doing so, you will have flatly, properly, and correctly rejected the Sibley Chart, which is the wrong chart for the US.
 

david starling

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I realize you're not American, and don't have full grasp of the English language, but your congratulations are in error.

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America....
State = country
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united Countries in America... is what it actually says.

That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States.....

State = country

That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent Countries....

The colonies were united only in their desire to be independent countries free from British rule and nothing more.

Please craft a logical coherent astrological explanation why the September 4, 925 or December 25, 1066 charts should not be used for England.

Note that in doing so, you will have flatly, properly, and correctly rejected the Sibley Chart, which is the wrong chart for the US.

DC, which USA chart are you using?

In the Pledge of Allegiance it says "One Nation, Indivisible...."

When was that decided?
 
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FraterAC

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I've reconstructed the three charts Gary Lorentzen uses for the USA. I'd request before everyone piles on me please take the time to look up the significance of the dates for yourselves, and you may see why Prof. L. uses the dates he does. Fair enough?
First, the vote for independence:
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FraterAC

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I like the 2nd one. I'll have to look up the event though.

Thanks Frater!
You're very welcome. Prof. L presented these at NORWAC in 2022. Just passing them along.
The prof uses the different charts for different questions. As I recall he uses the Perpetual Union chart as the real founding of the nation, but that's not the government (I believe effective date of the Constitution), or, for that matter, the determination to achieve independence.
 
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