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<blockquote data-quote="waybread" data-source="post: 1111826" data-attributes="member: 6041"><p><strong>Re: Individual vs. Government</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Looks like you have an argument for the Sibly chart!</p><p></p><p>Tim, the Declaration wasn't about independence from any form of federal government whatsoever. If you read further, you will see that most of it was a specific set of grievances against George III. The Declaration was not signed by a bunch of anarchists. They had continental congresses and meetings with delegates from the 13 colonies to administer the united colonies at war and prior to the ratification of the Constitution.</p><p></p><p>Prior to the Declaration each of the 13 colonies was administered separately. (Cf. Ben Franklin: "We must all hang together or most assuredly we shall all hang separately.")</p><p></p><p>The Declaration was not even specifically anti-taxation. The signers opposed "taxation without representation."</p><p></p><p>Just as an aside, <strong>they actually didn't believe that all men are created equal. </strong>The signers from Delaware, Maryland, and South were slave owners (or at least lived in states where slavery was legal.) You know their frontier settlers' attitudes about Native Americans.</p><p></p><p>Given the time at which it was written, the typical "man" was also intended to be a property owner. Exact voting qualifications were left up to the individual colonies/states.</p><p></p><p>For details: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_voting_rights_in_the_United_States" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_voting_rights_in_the_United_States</a></p><p></p><p>Individual rights really weren't enshrined prior to the Bill of Rights. (See my post with the two charts on this.) </p><p></p><p>I honestly believe that you are rescripting or glossing over hard historical facts to suit a contemporary conservative ideology.</p><p></p><p>Having said that, I do see that USA as a very Uranian nation. Somethings that Uranus rules:</p><p></p><p>*things futuristic</p><p>*electricity, electronics (Thomas Edison to Bill Gates)</p><p>*aviation (and probably space flight) (Wright brothers, moon walk)</p><p>*political revolutions, liberation (1776, Civil War)</p><p>*change to the status quo ( the latest fad to meaningful innovations)</p><p></p><p>I see innovation being key to understanding Uranus in US history.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="waybread, post: 1111826, member: 6041"] [b]Re: Individual vs. Government[/b] Looks like you have an argument for the Sibly chart! Tim, the Declaration wasn't about independence from any form of federal government whatsoever. If you read further, you will see that most of it was a specific set of grievances against George III. The Declaration was not signed by a bunch of anarchists. They had continental congresses and meetings with delegates from the 13 colonies to administer the united colonies at war and prior to the ratification of the Constitution. Prior to the Declaration each of the 13 colonies was administered separately. (Cf. Ben Franklin: "We must all hang together or most assuredly we shall all hang separately.") The Declaration was not even specifically anti-taxation. The signers opposed "taxation without representation." Just as an aside, [B]they actually didn't believe that all men are created equal. [/B]The signers from Delaware, Maryland, and South were slave owners (or at least lived in states where slavery was legal.) You know their frontier settlers' attitudes about Native Americans. Given the time at which it was written, the typical "man" was also intended to be a property owner. Exact voting qualifications were left up to the individual colonies/states. For details: [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_voting_rights_in_the_United_States[/url] Individual rights really weren't enshrined prior to the Bill of Rights. (See my post with the two charts on this.) I honestly believe that you are rescripting or glossing over hard historical facts to suit a contemporary conservative ideology. Having said that, I do see that USA as a very Uranian nation. Somethings that Uranus rules: *things futuristic *electricity, electronics (Thomas Edison to Bill Gates) *aviation (and probably space flight) (Wright brothers, moon walk) *political revolutions, liberation (1776, Civil War) *change to the status quo ( the latest fad to meaningful innovations) I see innovation being key to understanding Uranus in US history. [/QUOTE]
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