another quote from dr. farr on another threadLooking at the astrodatabank Putin chart, I noticed Scorpio on the asc, sun inn 12th in its fall in libra, mars rising in the 2nd in fiery Sagittarius, with Pluto the most elevated planet, conjunct the mc.
Seems to me that mars/Pluto=the rulers of this nativity, which accords with the history of this man. 2 stars have connections in this chart; one, the malefic algorab conjunct the already detrimented sun; and one of Draco’s eyes, etamin, a powerful influence on chart co-ruler mars via close conjunction.
Keynotes: Pluto/mars chart rulers, sun in fall and afflicted by algorab, Venus in asc in detriment in Scorpio, Pluto conjunct mc, co-ruler mars made more fiery in Sagittarius rising in 2nd house, mars conjunct etamin, one of the eyes of Draco, potential for showering evil over the whole world…
Also; Pluto at mc in fiery Leo, conjunct Lilith and south node; Pluto and Uranus in near exact declination; saturn conjunct sun in its exaltation of libra and in its house of joy (12th)
MODERN ASTROLOGY DIGNITIES AND DEBILITIES
at source: http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=67385
Yes Paul correctly understood my perspective:
no, I do NOT consider Neptune, Uranus or Pluto to be dispositors ("rulers") of any sign
-but yes I do consider them to be affinitive to certain signs and dissonant with other signs:
for me, if X planet is in, say, Aquarius, then I consider SATURN to be dispositor of that planet,
PLUS I consider Uranus to have a relationship to that planet as well
(because of the affinity of Uranus with Aquarius),
but NOT at the same level (the level of dispositorship) that Saturn has.
To explain further, there are a few philosophical issues that arise when using the outer planets.
Dirius is correct in noting that the fact the outers carry no visible light is a major detriment to their inclusion into the classical framework. Astrology evolved alongside ancient optical theories and these theories still permeate astrological discourse to this day. Planets in aspect are said to "..see.." or "..regard..." one another and their light is often considered a transmitter of their influence.
The word "...planet..." originally evolved from the Greek "...planetes aster..."
aka "...wandering star..."
& referred to the Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Jupiter, Mars, Saturn
whose motion could be detected against the backdrop of fixed stars
that are stable in their relative distance from one another
but all move together as one large group.
Another issue with the outer planets in general is
that they lack much of the tools that the classical planets have.
This isn't just referring to dignities (though that is a large part of it)
but they also lack nature, sect, gender, years, winds, orbs, signatures, etc.
This may all seem superfluous or unnecessary, but
its significance really cannot be overstated.
Without these associations, the outer planets are
essentially blank orbs without instruction or meaning
There is the issue with
the meanings contemporary astrologers have given to them.
Mostly they either
1) don't make sense within their own context
2) are already taken by another planet.
About the first, a lot of the meanings of the planets have been assigned to them
based on mythological interpretations
or perceived mundane events happening around the time of their discovery.
A lot of the mythological meanings are cherry picked
and often nonsensical, like Uranus ruling rebellion
but in the myth Ouranos is the tyrannical dictator, not the freedom fighter
The mundane events are definitely cherry picked
as there are many important events
happening around the world
at any given time.
Dwarf planet pluto was discovered in 1930
and has taken on an association with nuclear force
but when I hear 1930s I think Great Depression
and I've never heard anyone
associate Pluto with financial ruination
About the second
each of the outer planets have
significations that are more or less plucked from the classical planets
Uranus's reported instability & recklessness can be found in Mercury & Mars.
Neptune's illusions and mysticism can be found in the Moon.
Dwarf planet pluto's transformation & general heavy-handedness
are the domains of Mercury and Saturn.
Not only does this create strange, cross-breed planets
but it makes the classical planets into flat characters
when their meanings and significations are much more multifaceted
in the tradition.
by the wayPluto doesn't reflect light....Pluto doesn't carry a message for us.....
You can't see pluto with the naked eye.
There are thousands of Pluto Like objects in the orbit of the sun,
so....if we are using pluto we should be using those planets too
pluto is a dwarf planet
only one of many similar objects in the Kuiper Belt
There is no '...typical modern camp...'
there are a myriad differences of opinion amongst modern astrologers
even modern astrologers acknowledge that SCORPIO is the home territory of MARS
on which dwarf planet pluto merely has '...co-rulership...'
I now post the following fact
dwarf planet pluto is entirely absent
from the traditional table of
ESSENTIAL DIGNITIES OF THE PLANETS
which has been in use for at least TWO THOUSAND YEARS
dwarf planet pluto was discovered a mere 92 years ago
on 18 February 1930
there is no consensus amongst modern astrologers as to its validity
For at least two thousand years SCORPIO has traditionally been
I understand that the dispositor of Scorpio is now Mars?
the territory and home of MARS
when recently discovered
less than a century ago
dwarf planet pluto was assigned co-rulership of SCORPIO
by SOME modern astrologers
but not all