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JUPITERASC

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Looking at the astrodatabank Putin chart, I noticed Scorpio on the asc, sun inn 12th in its fall in libra, mars rising in the 2nd in fiery Sagittarius, with Pluto the most elevated planet, conjunct the mc.

Seems to me that mars/Pluto=the rulers of this nativity, which accords with the history of this man. 2 stars have connections in this chart; one, the malefic algorab conjunct the already detrimented sun; and one of Draco’s eyes, etamin, a powerful influence on chart co-ruler mars via close conjunction.

Keynotes: Pluto/mars chart rulers, sun in fall and afflicted by algorab, Venus in asc in detriment in Scorpio, Pluto conjunct mc, co-ruler mars made more fiery in Sagittarius rising in 2nd house, mars conjunct etamin, one of the eyes of Draco, potential for showering evil over the whole world…

Also; Pluto at mc in fiery Leo, conjunct Lilith and south node; Pluto and Uranus in near exact declination; saturn conjunct sun in its exaltation of libra and in its house of joy (12th)
another quote from dr. farr on another thread
MODERN ASTROLOGY DIGNITIES AND DEBILITIES :smile:
at source:
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=67385
Yes Paul correctly understood my perspective:

no, I do NOT consider Neptune, Uranus or Pluto to be dispositors ("rulers") of any sign

-but yes I do consider them to be affinitive to certain signs and dissonant with other signs:

for me, if X planet is in, say, Aquarius, then I consider SATURN to be dispositor of that planet,

PLUS I consider Uranus to have a relationship to that planet as well
(because of the affinity of Uranus with Aquarius),
but NOT at the same level (the level of dispositorship) that Saturn has.


To explain further, there are a few philosophical issues that arise when using the outer planets.

Dirius is correct in noting that the fact the outers carry no visible light is a major detriment to their inclusion into the classical framework. Astrology evolved alongside ancient optical theories and these theories still permeate astrological discourse to this day. Planets in aspect are said to "..see.." or "..regard..." one another and their light is often considered a transmitter of their influence.

The word "...planet..." originally evolved from the Greek "...planetes aster..."
aka "...wandering star..."
& referred to the Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Jupiter, Mars, Saturn
whose motion could be detected against the backdrop of fixed stars
that are stable in their relative distance from one another
but all move together as one large group.

Another issue with the outer planets in general is
that they lack much of the tools that the classical planets have.
This isn't just referring to dignities (though that is a large part of it)
but they also lack nature, sect, gender, years, winds, orbs, signatures, etc.

This may all seem superfluous or unnecessary, but
its significance really cannot be overstated.
Without these associations, the outer planets are
essentially blank orbs without instruction or meaning :smile:

There is the issue with
the meanings contemporary astrologers have given to them.
Mostly they either
1) don't make sense within their own context
or
2) are already taken by another planet.

About the first, a lot of the meanings of the planets have been assigned to them
based on mythological interpretations
or perceived mundane events happening around the time of their discovery.
A lot of the mythological meanings are cherry picked
and often nonsensical, like Uranus ruling rebellion
but in the myth Ouranos is the tyrannical dictator, not the freedom fighter :smile:

The mundane events are definitely cherry picked
as there are many important events
happening around the world
at any given time.

Dwarf planet pluto was discovered in 1930
and has taken on an association with nuclear force
but when I hear 1930s I think Great Depression
and I've never heard anyone
associate Pluto with financial ruination :smile:

About the second
each of the outer planets have
significations that are more or less plucked from the classical planets :smile:

Uranus's reported instability & recklessness can be found in Mercury & Mars.

Neptune's illusions and mysticism can be found in the Moon.
Dwarf planet pluto's transformation & general heavy-handedness
are the domains of Mercury and Saturn.

Not only does this create strange, cross-breed planets
but it makes the classical planets into flat characters
when their meanings and significations are much more multifaceted
in the tradition.
Pluto doesn't reflect light....Pluto doesn't carry a message for us.....

You can't see pluto with the naked eye.

There are thousands of Pluto Like objects in the orbit of the sun,

so....if we are using pluto we should be using those planets too
by the way
pluto is a dwarf planet
and

only one of many similar objects in the Kuiper Belt :smile:


There is no '...typical modern camp...'
because
there are a myriad differences of opinion amongst modern astrologers


HOWEVER

even modern astrologers acknowledge that SCORPIO is the home territory of MARS
on which dwarf planet pluto merely has '...co-rulership...' :smile:


I now post the following fact :smile:

dwarf planet pluto is entirely absent

from the traditional table of
ESSENTIAL DIGNITIES OF THE PLANETS
which has been in use for at least TWO THOUSAND YEARS



dwarf planet pluto was discovered a mere 92 years ago

on 18 February 1930
and
there is no consensus amongst modern astrologers as to its validity
:smile:

I understand that the dispositor of Scorpio is now Mars?
For at least two thousand years SCORPIO has traditionally been

the territory and home of MARS

when recently discovered
less than a century ago
dwarf planet pluto was assigned co-rulership of SCORPIO
by SOME modern astrologers
but not all


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JUPITERASC

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JUPITERASC

Well-known member
Hi Monk :smile:


UK has given Elenskky a UK passport
but doesn't want him to come to the UK when Russia wins this war.
Oh apologies when he flees leaving all the dead soldiers
who he made fight so he could keep his 130million.
Zelensky is realizing that middle management isn't what he thought it was
U.K. Orders Zelensky To Stop Peace Negotiations with Russia


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bj5pBU_rbNE






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JUPITERASC

Well-known member
Hi Monk :smile:



Can you imagine what the USD would be

if the rest of the world weren't forced to buy oil in dollars :smile:

Ruble runs victory laps.

This kind of move in the price of the ruble
can only mean that Germany is trying to buy as many rubles as possible.

They're complying, no matter the posturing
If Russia’s “...plan...” was so perfect
by Jacob Dreizin
Most folks can't comprehend that it's all about economics
and

China along with Russia, have thoroughly prepared for this very moment.

The West/USA have not: and now they're scrambling for "...solutions..."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ks0oG96IkJU



Russia withdrawing from the Northern Kiev front
is the smartest thing they could do for multiple reasons
the first, they are able to avoid mass civilian deaths.

Second, Ukraine's remaining forces not stationed in the Odessa region
are in the Eastern Donbas region.

Ukraine's Military was approx. 300k prior to the war
over 100k are intrenched in Donbas
That can not retreat
due to lack of safe routes and supplies to do so.
Defeating this force would mean
not only has Russia destroyed the Ukrainian military infrastructure.

It defeated the Bulk of Ukraine's forces.

The five stages of grief :
1.Denial
2.Anger
3.Bargaining
4.Depression

5.Acceptance to pay in Rubles :smile:



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Monk

Premium Member
Hi Jup,

I'm leaving this topic for some time, waiting for a peace treaty to see if it is aligned to Sirius or Alnilam, however we could be waiting for a long time!
 

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
Hi Jup,
I'm leaving this topic for some time, waiting for a peace treaty
to see if it is aligned to Sirius or Alnilam, however

we could be waiting for a long time!
Hi Monk - thank you for all the research already posted! :smile:


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waybread

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Hi Dr. Farr,

Astro Databank is very cloudy on time of birth which makes analysis difficult, it says information on time of birth is "Unverified and Conflicting".

As many people use electional astrology and mysterious Sirius and Alnilam, connection to natal chart isn't needed, however Putin's Speech below:-

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/09/put...html?msclkid=d69f4a17cfa411ec8680571ab448a953

What they said was that the birth data had a Rodden rating of "DD," or "dirty data." What this means is that they have been unable to verify it through seeing an actual birth certificate. However, Tass (official Russian news service) gives the date as Oct. 7, 1952. The time of 9:30 am is based on a second- or third-hand report of someone who had a Vladimir Putin website and claimed to have seen the birth certificate. Isaac Starkman, an expert on chart rectification, rectified the time to 9:35 am.

But more importantly, let's work with Vladimir Putin's provisional chart. I did, notably with events of the 2014 Russian invasion of Crimea and portions of the Donbas region, I think it's valid.

Here's the Astrodienst description of how Rodden ratings are determined:
https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Help:RR
 

david starling

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The USSR is trying rise from the grave. It's an attack of the Red Zombies!

Commie Putin doesn't care how many troops he loses. Up over 35,000 now! :pinched:
 

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
Hi Jup,
I'm leaving this topic for some time, waiting for a peace treaty to see if it is aligned to Sirius or Alnilam, however we could be waiting for a long time!
Hi Monk

All of the Lughansk people's republics territory has been liberated as of today July 3rd 2022
Can't wait to see how Ukraine tries to spin this


Ukraine Has Collapsed & Is Failed State

Wow even after 70 billion in aid. How could that be ?
So all that money will magically disappear
Well that's awkward. We have to keep sacrificing untill they defeat Russia
We will never know what may have been if Elinsky would have merely asked for peace

rather than more weapons, more soldiers, more money, more ammunition, more war
more green screen speeches
What happened? I thought the Ghost of Kiev was winning




Ukraine was arbitrarily created during Soviet Union.
East Ukraine has always been 100% Russian.
West Ukraine is an unimportant provincial area that has always been under Russian hegemony.
Ukraine recently suffered major defeats in the Donbass

lost the cities of Severodonetsk and Lisichansk.
US and its Western allies want the war to continue to the last Ukrainian.
If you watch the daily video reports by Patrick Lancaster from these areas
many Russian speakers welcome the Russian army as liberators.

Ukraine should go to the negotiating table
to discuss a settlement with Russia to end this terrible war.
Sadly, the US has no interest in such a settlement so the fighting will continue.
The US wants to collapse Russia's economy
and bring about the dissolution of the Russian Federation into a series of small states

which the West can plunder for their natural resources.
Read the Grand Chessboard by ZbignIew Brzezeinski
who was a geo-politcal advisor to numerous US presidents.

In this very influential book, he outlines how the US must break up Russia
so that it can maintain its hegemonic position over the Eurasian continent


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waybread

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Russian propaganda at its most transparent. Or is this your idea of political satire? Please clarify.

Please see my (now paused) thread on Russian assets.

The Hunter Biden laptop theory is hardly the "real" scandal, compared with Russia's unprovoked military invasion of a neighboring sovereign nation that has left tens of thousands of people dead, and millions of refugees, notably mothers with little kids.

Vladimir Putin is a cold-blooded killer. He's happy about bombing large sections of Ukraine to Kingdom Come, and killing and maiming little kids under the rubble. It sends a message: "Don't mess with me, or you'll get the same treatment." He knows he can control Ukrainian territory only by bombing it to smithereens, because the local populace would mount significant insurgent operations if they could remain in their homes.

Putin is a sociopath, defined as someone who is unable to care about other people. This definition of sociopath is from the highly respected Cleveland Clinic:
https://health.clevelandclinic.org/...~:text=Sociopathy is another term for,Coulter.

The symptoms are:
  • Not understanding the difference between right and wrong.
  • Not respecting the feelings and emotions of others.
  • Constant lying or deception.
  • Being callous.
  • Difficulty recognizing emotion.
  • Manipulation.
  • Arrogance.
  • Violating the rights of others through dishonest actions.
  • Impulsiveness.
  • Risk-taking.
  • Difficulty appreciating the negative aspects of their behavior.
As of the last count, British intelligence estimates that 15,000 Russian soldiers have died in this conflict. Putin refuses to acknowledge their deaths. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61987945 Apparently the right of Russian parents to learn the true fate of their sons killed in action is not Putin's concern.

Putin has no qualms about killing those ethnic Russians in Ukraine whom he claimed to protect. Mariupol was a predominantly Russian-speaking city, but Putin went ahead and leveled it, killing many civilians and destroying their homes.

Ukrainians strongly support President Zelenskyy.

I recently read that increasing numbers of Ukrainian women are joining the fight against Russia, in positions ranging from battle zone medics to combatants to behind the lines support staff. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/06/14/ukraine-women-war-effort/

What the tiny group of western Putin apologists conveniently overlook, is that Ukraine and the former USSR satellite states know the Kremlin and its corrupt dictatorships all too well. One has to ask why these former soviet states joined the EU and NATO as soon as the Iron Curtain fell in 1991. They know Putin-style oppression from personal experience and want nothing to do with it.

All glory to Ukraine.
 

waybread

Well-known member
JA, you wrote (or copied and pasted) the following in your post #50:
Ukraine was arbitrarily created during Soviet Union.
East Ukraine has always been 100% Russian.
West Ukraine is an unimportant provincial area that has always been under Russian hegemony.
Ukraine recently suffered major defeats in the Donbass
lost the cities of Severodonetsk and Lisichansk.
US and its Western allies want the war to continue to the last Ukrainian.
If you watch the daily video reports by Patrick Lancaster from these areas
many Russian speakers welcome the Russian army as liberators.
Ukraine should go to the negotiating table
to discuss a settlement with Russia to end this terrible war.
Sadly, the US has no interest in such a settlement so the fighting will continue.
The US wants to collapse Russia's economy
and bring about the dissolution of the Russian Federation into a series of small states
which the West can plunder for their natural resources.
Read the Grand Chessboard by ZbignIew Brzezeinski
who was a geo-politcal advisor to numerous US presidents.
In this very influential book, he outlines how the US must break up Russia
so that it can maintain its hegemonic position over the Eurasian continent

Please cite your information source on this long passage of text.

Some obvious corrections:

1. Eastern Ukraine has never been 100% Russian. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_language_in_Ukraine But this point is irrelevant, anyway. Ukraine is a multi-lingual country. Ukraine's President Zelensky grew up in a Russian-speaking family. Many Ukrainians are bi-lingual, fluent in both Ukrainian and Russian. The native Russian speakers in the eastern Ukrainian provinces now have their homes leveled by Russian shelling. They can hardly welcome as liberators the army who destroyed their homes and communities.

The larger point is that shared ethnicity and mother tongue are totally unacceptable reasons to launch a ruthless military invasion of a sovereign nation. By your source's calculus, France would be justified in invading Quebec, or Spain would be justified in invading Latin America. Or maybe Britain should try to retake the United States.

2. The notion of Ukraine as "always under Russian hegemony" is historically false. If you read the history and look at maps of continental Europe, you will find constant shifts in borders of various European empires. At one time, Poland and Lithuania were major imperial powers in eastern Europe. https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/lseih/2020/...ng-the-kremlins-version-of-ukrainian-history/ Check out the Cossacks while you're at it, or the fate of the Tatars of Crimea.

3. Patrick Lancaster is a blatantly pro-Putin propagandist. He's not a credible source.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/wxneb4/ukraine-patrick-lancaster-journalist

4. The West has no interest in breaking up Russia. They want Russia to stay home and keep its mitts of its neighboring sovereign states.

5. ZbignIew Brzezeinski has no noticeable influence these days in Washington or anyplace else. He is in his 90s (b. 1928) and has had no position of power in the US government since he declined to join the Reagan administration in 1981 (if your memory goes back that far.) He wrote a lot of books and speaks out occasionally, but he's been out of the corridors of power for decades. Keep in mind that as a Polish-born man who knew full well the brutal impact of the Kremlin on his native country, Brzezeinski wanted to dull Russia's power, whether or not his ideas were listened-to or even practical.

You also have to consider that the emergence of the European Union has someone blunted the old Cold War-era dualism of the US vs. Russia. The Europeans right now, notably in eastern Europe, are taking actions that seem best for their own self-interest. Namely keeping Russia out of their own countries.

Next?
 

CapAquaPis

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Was there a vid of the 2008 Republican Vice president candidate Sarah Palin who predicted someday Russia will invade Ukraine and her "expertise" knowledge about Russia can be as close as 10 miles apart from her state (Alaska) she was then governor of? Ukraine had an uprising against attempts for planting Russian puppet leaders in 2004 and again in 2014 that triggered an earlier invasion and annexation of the Russophone majority Crimea Peninsula.
 

Monk

Premium Member
Hi Jup,
The Heliacal rising of Sirius will happen in Kiev on 12 August 2022 and Moscow on 19 August, which could be auspicious.

As Sirius rises with the Sun in Kiev, Saturn and the Moon set in the 7th house of enemies.

Graphs below, sorry i have run out of coloured ink:-

https://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/bx62cec9f1.png
https://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/pg62ceca59.png
https://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/gm62cecaae.png

he Soviet Coup Attempt of 1991 followed this when Sirius rose with the Sun and Jupiter, which is suspicious of electional astrology, link below:-


This started on 19th August 1991 around Moscow, Jupiter was within a degree of the Sun when both were rising with Sirius at the location of Moscow and is very rare on date, it is the belief that Jupiter would expand the power of Sirius in this position and give good fortune to the coup.
Obviously marked at Egyptian sunrise day marker, graph below:-
 

david starling

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Hi Jup,
The Heliacal rising of Sirius will happen in Kiev on 12 August 2022 and Moscow on 19 August, which could be auspicious.

As Sirius rises with the Sun in Kiev, Saturn and the Moon set in the 7th house of enemies.

Graphs below, sorry i have run out of coloured ink:-

https://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/bx62cec9f1.png
https://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/pg62ceca59.png
https://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/gm62cecaae.png

he Soviet Coup Attempt of 1991 followed this when Sirius rose with the Sun and Jupiter, which is suspicious of electional astrology, link below:-


This started on 19th August 1991 around Moscow, Jupiter was within a degree of the Sun when both were rising with Sirius at the location of Moscow and is very rare on date, it is the belief that Jupiter would expand the power of Sirius in this position and give good fortune to the coup.
Obviously marked at Egyptian sunrise day marker, graph below:-

The concept of "combust", which is when a planet is conjunct the Sun, but at more than 17 minutes orb, means a disruption of a planet's normal influence.
In the 1991 case, was Jupiter combust?
 

blackbery

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Adam Townsend

@adamscrabble

Biden calls Ukraine a democracy.

1. Under Martial law
2. Banned all oppositional parties
3. Banned all oppositional media
4. Tortured it's Russian minority population
5. Not allowing it's male population to leave.

If that's a democracy, so is Iran, China, North Korea
 

blackbery

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America’s $40 Billion To Ukraine Has No Accountability​


Ukraine On Fire​


 

waybread

Well-known member
Adam Townsend
@adamscrabble

Biden calls Ukraine a democracy.

1. Under Martial law
2. Banned all oppositional parties
3. Banned all oppositional media
4. Tortured it's Russian minority population
5. Not allowing it's male population to leave.

If that's a democracy, so is Iran, China, North Korea
Welcome To Russia!!

1. Russia is a totalitarian police state. If the word Fascism come to mind, use it.

2. Voldemort Putin jails opposition political leaders, regardless of party. Only pro-Russian political parties are banned in Ukraine, for the obvious reasons of their sabotaging Ukraine's sovereignty to support Russian invaders. Volodymir Zelenskyy grew up in a Russian-speaking household.

3. Voldemort Putin has banned all freedom of speech, for journalists, politicians, and ordinary citizens. Try posting whatever you feel like from Russia.

4. Voldemort Putin bombed into rubble majority ethnic Russian/Russian-speaking neighborhoods, notably the city of Mariupol. Russian bombs do not discriminate between Russian- and Ukrainian speakers in mixed neighborhoods. Putin has bombed thousands of Russian-speaking civilians. There are no independently verified reports of Ukrainains torturing Russian civilians-- or soldiers. In contrast human rights groups are collecting hundreds of documented reports of Russian soldiers torturing Ukrainian captors. This is known in large part from the bodies the Russian military left behind.

5. Elderly men, boys, single dads, and fathers of larger families have been permitted to leave Ukraine, not to mention back-channels through Moldova. Russia has mandatory conscription. Ukrainian truckers whose jobs involve cross-border transport can carry on.

Meanwhile Ukrainians give Zelenskyy high approval ratings.
 
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