Ukraine.

JUPITERASC

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Ukraine's best negotiating position was the Minsk agreements
but that's history and will no longer be on the table :)
the longer this goes on
the more likely it is that Ukraine will cease to exist.
You can btw be guaranteed that Russia will have conditions
for Poland, Hungary and Romania for those areas

for example: no NATO military bases, no American missile systems


Absolutely extraordinary solution for peace
president Vladimir Putin has great wisdom
 

blackbery

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Oddity, you have to read different sources and then triangulate among them. And then think about the source: is it directly from military analysists, or is it filtered by a politician who has a pony in that race? Or is it coming from some blogger who fancies himself as a credible news source?

Those that want REAL news & FACTS listen to Lara Logan, Col. Douglas MacGregor, Gonzalez Lira, Patrick Lancaster, Robert Barnes
& RT, along with numerous other Truth Tellers on independent platforms.
But even the CIA/M16 have FINALLY come out to admit
that for every Russian soldier killed, there are 20 Ukranian mercenaries/military/nazis killed.

MSM have lied about this conflict from the very beginning, ignored the real causes & portraying Putin as 'badman'.
Unfortunately, it's Ukranian men who have been killed by the fake news lies & propaganda & attempt to prop up a corrupt Zelensky dictatorship.
Everyone knows they used fake footage, even from video games. These legacy media is truly the enemy of the people.😭😭


Our military IQ jumps 100% with this intense interview with Col. Douglas Macgregor. He exposes the real current situation in Ukraine, we delve into the potential collapse of the UN and NATO power, how the US military has degraded, Russia/China/Western relations and important issues you need to know about global defense.


 

JUPITERASC

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Wow the First Lady of Ukraine
seems very well rested
very well dressed
and it seems like she has been visiting the spa quite frequently.
Not bad for someone that’s at war.

Or are they? :)

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Oddity

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The Putinization of America, which has affected so many right-wingers, was well-planned and executed.
Trying to figure this out. Russia is corrupt. Ukraine is corrupt. Stating that Putin has some rights under international law to invade makes me a right-winger Putin fanboy? Cos I don't like dictatorships at all. I already live in one, remember?

Interesting discussion on stats. Won't ask you to look at the whole vid, but start at about 11 minutes 20 seconds. Everyone has wildly different figures.

 

david starling

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Trying to figure this out. Russia is corrupt. Ukraine is corrupt. Stating that Putin has some rights under international law to invade makes me a right-winger Putin fanboy? Cos I don't like dictatorships at all. I already live in one, remember?

Interesting discussion on stats. Won't ask you to look at the whole vid, but start at about 11 minutes 20 seconds. Everyone has wildly different figures.


Are there rules that actually allow invasions of non-attacking nations according to international law?
For example, was the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq which over-threw Saddam, in accordance with those rules from what you know about them?
 

Oddity

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Are there rules that actually allow invasions of non-attacking nations according to international law?
For example, was the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq which over-threw Saddam, in accordance with those rules from what you know about them?
I don't think Saddam posed any threat to US sovereignty (weapons of mass destruction!)

But...Ukraine was bound to not mess around with joining NATO (and they definitely played with that one), having nukes, and not killing the residents of the Donbas.

Joining NATO would have definitely been a threat to Russia, and that was a possibility - in reality it wasn't, but none of us, including Russia, actually knew that. Maybe nukes as well. Ukrainian nazis are just plain evil, but that probably wouldn't have been enough to trigger it. NATO would've been.

ETA: You might want to look up anything Robert Barnes has written about it - he's still practising, and is far more up on this issue than I am.
 
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waybread

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Oddity, I supported neither the US wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. But nothing about them justifies Putin's bloodthirsty invasion of Ukraine.

Minsk, schminsk. Nothing about that justifies Putin's bloodthirsty invasion of Ukraine. Let's talk about Russia's violation of international law. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_the_2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine

NATO, schmato. NATO had no plans to harm Russia, as you well know. NATO was originally established as a peacetime bulwark against Stalin's gobbling up countries of eastern Europe and placing them under his boot after WW2. At the break-up of the USSR in 1991, these countries had every opportunity to align with the Kremlin, but chose, instead, to join NATO. They knew Russian oppression all too well. Nothing about that justifies Putin's bloodthirsty invasion of Ukraine.

Why are you a Putin apologist?
 

david starling

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Excuseigistically speaking, Putin may well be suffering from a severe case of paranoid schizophrenia. Which would mean that he's "not guilty by reason of insanity".
 
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Oddity

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Oddity, I supported neither the US wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. But nothing about them justifies Putin's bloodthirsty invasion of Ukraine.

Minsk, schminsk. Nothing about that justifies Putin's bloodthirsty invasion of Ukraine. Let's talk about Russia's violation of international law. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_the_2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine

NATO, schmato. NATO had no plans to harm Russia, as you well know. NATO was originally established as a peacetime bulwark against Stalin's gobbling up countries of eastern Europe and placing them under his boot after WW2. At the break-up of the USSR in 1991, these countries had every opportunity to align with the Kremlin, but chose, instead, to join NATO. They knew Russian oppression all too well. Nothing about that justifies Putin's bloodthirsty invasion of Ukraine.

Why are you a Putin apologist?
Sure. Prove that before a neutral jury, would you? And dear God, don't use wiki for this.
 

david starling

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Sure. Prove that before a neutral jury, would you? And dear God, don't use wiki for this.
Was NATO really on the verge of accepting the Ukraine as a member, in preparation for an imminent invasion of Russia? What would a neutral jury say about that?

Or, what about the Ukraine literally assaulting Russia's moral fabric by allowing gay pride parades? That was the reason Bishop Kirill, the spiritual leader of the Russian Orthodox Church in Russia, gave for his own support of Putin's invasion. Would a neutral jury consider that a legal justificaton for it?

And, what about Putin being declared not guilty by reason of insanity, if the neutral jury determined that there was no rational justification for the extremely deadly, greatly destructive invasion?
 
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Oddity

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Sergei Lavrov's response:

Fact 1: “All our proposals for their removal [referring to NATO-expansion assets] on the basis of the principle of mutual respect for security interests were ignored by the US, the EU, and NATO.”
Fact 2: “When the Russian language was banned in Ukraine, and the Ukrainian government promoted neo-Nazi theories and practices, the West did not oppose, but, on the contrary, encouraged the actions of the Kyiv regime and admired Ukraine as a ‘stronghold of democracy.’ Western countries supplied the Kyiv regime with weapons and planned the construction of naval bases on Ukrainian territory. All these actions were openly aimed at containing the Russian Federation. We have been warning for 10 years that this is unacceptable.”
 

waybread

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Oddity, I can't believe you're using Kremlin apparatchik Sergei Lavrov as an authority. If you believe those quotations, you're beyond being a Putin apologist now.

The Russian language was never banned in Ukraine. The Ukrainian government never "promoted neo-Nazi theories." Ironically, Vladimir Putin is the one who has installed a fascist totalitarian state in Russia, and hopes to extend his dictatorship into neighboring sovereign nations.

I'll quote Wikipedia any day over your hallucinating YouTube broadcaster wannabes.

Oddly, Oddity, Lavrov was just fine with Russia's own military buildup along the Ukraine border prior to February, and fomenting regime change in Transnitsia, parts of Georgia, and portions of Ukrainian territory.

But maybe I misread you! You're being satirical/tongue in cheek here, right? Right??

The idea that NATO was planning any kind of invasion of Russia is ludicrous. What Lavrov appears to be saying is that Russia wanted Ukraine to be militarily weak enough for an easy Russian invasion.
 

blackbery

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Zelensky's elite battalion destroyed


Dozens of neo-Nazis have been eliminated over the last two days, including fighters from the Kraken formation, the military said

Providing an update on the progress of Moscow’s military operation in Ukraine, Konashenkov said that on July 28, at the Krasnoarmeysk railway station in the Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR), the Russian military conducted a direct strike “with a high-precision air-based weapon” on a train transporting “an elite assault battalion of the 1st Separate Brigade of the President of Ukraine.”
The next day, in the area of Bogodukhov in Kharkov Region, Iskander missiles hit the hangars of a meat processing plant where the Kraken nationalist formation had set up a temporary base, according to the military spokesman. “More than 30 Nazis and 10 units of military equipment were destroyed.”

More than 140 nationalists were killed on the spot. About 250 more militants received injuries of varying severity. All military equipment that was in the echelon was disabled,” Konashenkov stated.

Also on July 29, Russian forces destroyed 30 Ukrainian servicemen, a warehouse with rockets for Grad combat vehicles, and military equipment in the settlement of Yasnobrodovka in the DPR. In the area of Artemovsk, according to Konashenkov, Ukrainian losses amounted to 50 servicemen and eight units of military equipment.

militarynews.com
 

blackbery

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Public opinion seems to be turning against the military draft in Ukraine, how will the Zelensky regime respond?​

The Kiev regime has been ignoring discontent among soldiers and civilians and refuses to disclose casualty numbers

Five months into Russia's military offensive in Ukraine many in the latter state are starting to vocalise their objection to the draft imposed by the regime in Kiev. Especially as the propaganda about victory, any day now, starts to lose its power.

Ukraine is a country largely populated by one or two-child families. How many of its citizens would voluntarily go to war to be killed or crippled? It should come as no surprise, therefore, that Ukrainians do not want to go to war. Yes, if you listen to what they say, the majority of Ukrainians are patriots. But when it comes to getting up from the couch and actually going to the front, very few are willing to ‘walk the talk’.

And I don’t imagine that, after 30,000 more Ukrainian soldiers have perished on the battlefield, anyone would feel more motivated to join the cause. In fact, it would likely produce the opposite effect: ‘I don’t want to die like all the others’. It is much safer to engage in fiery debates on social media from home, or to follow the fighting on YouTube.

Very easy for the Putin-bad crowd to scream victory & demand that Ukraine keep fighting to the last man standing....

all while sitting in their nice comfy couch in another country!☹️☹️☹️

Very easy for Zelensky to keep dictating (a draft is a demand) that Ukranian men die to keep the NWO
in control in Ukraine....all while he fled to Poland & now travels 1st class around the world & keeps his

entire family safe in his mansions in the USA.😏😏






 

Oddity

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Oddity, I can't believe you're using Kremlin apparatchik Sergei Lavrov as an authority. If you believe those quotations, you're beyond being a Putin apologist now.

The Russian language was never banned in Ukraine. The Ukrainian government never "promoted neo-Nazi theories." Ironically, Vladimir Putin is the one who has installed a fascist totalitarian state in Russia, and hopes to extend his dictatorship into neighboring sovereign nations.

I'll quote Wikipedia any day over your hallucinating YouTube broadcaster wannabes.

Oddly, Oddity, Lavrov was just fine with Russia's own military buildup along the Ukraine border prior to February, and fomenting regime change in Transnitsia, parts of Georgia, and portions of Ukrainian territory.

But maybe I misread you! You're being satirical/tongue in cheek here, right? Right??

The idea that NATO was planning any kind of invasion of Russia is ludicrous. What Lavrov appears to be saying is that Russia wanted Ukraine to be militarily weak enough for an easy Russian invasion.
The west has more than meddled with Ukrainian politics from 2014 and even before. We have the receipts.

You sound hysterical, Waybread, Perhaps a nice nap would help?
 
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