Triangle: What's the point mean?

[jenluvsblackcat]

Hi,

I'm wondering what some of you might think of this funny looking triangle
in my natal chart. Since it's pointed at the 9th house...could it mean something with my higher education or desire for knowledge?
:roll:




Thanks for your conjectures.

 

[Arian Maverick]

Thanks for your conjectures.

My, don't we have a big vocabulary! :mrgreen:

Kidding aside, I can only imagine that you are referring to the opposition between your second house Venus in Scorpio and your ninth house moon in Taurus, which inconjuncts your third house Neptune in Sagittarius. Although the shape of these aspects resembles a triangle, it is not a yod configuration nor is it a T-square...in fact, I don't believe it has a name at all

Nevertheless, you have your moon tightly conjunct your north node in your ninth house as well as Chiron placed there, so you probably have an emphasis on the themes you described above, anyway

Arian Maverick

 

[Frisiangal]

Wouldn't you include Moon to Pluto as an inconjunct/quincunx aspect, thereby making a yod figure with 'the boomerang' opposition to Venus, ruler Sun and Ascendant?

Moon inTaurus always needs security through facts of physical expression. In the 9th house, it could mean your ideals are not met because you don't believe anything before and unless you see it.....especially in affairs regarding love
One can reach higher mind once lower mind undersands

F.

 

[Summery Joy]

Well, there is a boomerang yod alright, but you have to use a couple of wide orbs to see it.

First of all, you have that opposition between the Moon in Taurus at 27:36 andand Venus in Scoprio at 21:40. An orb of around 6 degrees is applied here. It's a bit wide ofr many astrologers, but it's fine by me since the opposition is a major, powerful aspect and the planets involved are in opposite signs.

Then we have an almost perfect quincunx (inconjunct) between the Moon and Neptune in Sagittarius at 28:57. The orb used is between 1 and 2 degrees, which is tight enough for a quincunx.

Here's the aspect that needs the wide orb. Mercury in Libra at 22:08 is 5 degrees away from forming a quincunx with the Moon. This orb is wide for a minor asoect such as quincunx.

However, I would consider the boomerang yod ffor the following reasons.

1) An aspectual configuration has it's own power. So, although there's a wide orb quincunx involved, it's not working alone.

2) The opposition between Venus and the Moon is acceptable *and* Venus has an almost perfect semi-sextile with Mercury bringing the latter into the equation.

I'm still not quit sure about the tightness of the orbs involved and their effect on the power of the aspects, but I suppose we could say that maybe you don't have a perfect yod, so its energies may not be as intense as one with all acceptable orbs, but you still have a yod.

A while ago, I started a thread called The Yod of God on the Natal & predictive Astrology forum. Maybe you could take a look there to learn about the effects of yods, and if you still have any questions concerning your own yod we can come back and discuss them here.

 

[jenluvsblackcat]

I have heard of the Yod and done some reading, but what does the "boomerang" formation do to the overall significance?

Is it also fair to say that my Yod is pointing to the moon in the 9th house?

 

[Frisiangal]

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Well, there is a boomerang yod alright, but you have to use a couple of wide orbs to see it.

First of all, you have that opposition between the Moon in Taurus at 27:36 andand Venus in Scoprio at 21:40. An orb of around 6 degrees is applied here. It's a bit wide ofr many astrologers, but it's fine by me since the opposition is a major, powerful aspect and the planets involved are in opposite signs.

Here's the aspect that needs the wide orb. Mercury in Libra at 22:08 is 5 degrees away from forming a quincunx with the Moon. This orb is wide for a minor asoect such as quincunx

However, I would consider the boomerang yod ffor the following reasons.

1) An aspectual configuration has it's own power. So, although there's a wide orb quincunx involved, it's not working alone.

2) The opposition between Venus and the Moon is acceptable *and* Venus has an almost perfect semi-sextile with Mercury bringing the latter into the equation.

I think 6 degrees is an acceptable orb for an opposition with Moon. But Moon in Taurus is also in Venus's sign, opposing Venus in its ruling house, and Venus is applying to the Moon. Venus is also chart ruler and dispositor of Sun. Venus's strength is therefore super strong in reaching Moon. I think the opposition aspect will definitely be felt, probably from the time that, and as a result of, progressed Venus reaching the exact opposition around 6 years of age.

A +5 degrees orb is wide for an inconjunct/quincunx, even for the Moon. Mercury doesn't have a major role in the chart as per ruling planet. It might also get its fingers burnt by the close conjunction with Sun

Jen's 9th house 'desire for knowledge' is obtained via practical experience with Taurus on its cusp, isn't it ? Mercury in Libra can offer lots of inter-active social mental stimulation, information and questioning, but it won't help answer Pluto in Scorpio's "why" of everything to provide the facts that Moon needs. Jupiter, as provider of knowledge is also in an Earth sign, Capricorn, whilst Saturn is conjunct Venus. 3rd and 4th house experiences would appear to pave the way for her desire for knowledge, which could well be found not too far from home.

F.

 

[jenluvsblackcat]

The desire for knowledge has been a huge part of my life. I was always more aware of the world than most of my peers. But at the same time, if it wasn't something tangible, I had a hard time of accepting it. This whole mindset really hurt me in the greater mathematics because you are often dealing with abstract theories and principles. The whole math thing was just not going to happen with me. :?
Sometimes, my mantra is "if I can't see it, it ain't real." And then other times I'm stricken with a gut sense of something I can sense- but I know you can't physically measure it. Like for example; telling whether or not someone loves you or even likes you. I have great sensitivity to others, yet I am bound because like I said, "If I can't see it, it ain't there."
As far as education goes--I'm quitting the college I'm in now and going to a more challenging school! (and the new school is no more than a 3 hr train ride from my home)
The input from all of you has really made me conscious of my more hidden barriers. It is perhaps this secret quality that has kept me from reaching my potentials thus far.

Hurrah for Astrology and Psychology!

 

[Arian Maverick]

The input from all of you has really made me conscious of my more hidden barriers. It is perhaps this secret quality that has kept me from reaching my potentials thus far.

This is truly wonderful news, but please don't fall into the same trap I did, judging your worth by your academic success...

Take care and good luck!

Arian Maverick

 

[Lunar Pisces]

Actually, a 10 degree orb is acceptable for an opposition, espeically one that involves a moon. Normally, orbs are touch and go, and every astrologer has an opinion. But mathematically, orbs can be defined more specifically by when an angle moves into a new range of "harmonics" by degree, which signifies a distinct aspect. In many cases, orbs really are quite narrow before you get into a new harmonic, and the vast majority of aspects are relatively weak - hence why we focus on a select few that are more dominant, normally relating ot have a wider orb. At any rate, when you do the math, the orb of an 180 degree angle is significantly wider (9 to 10 degrees) than you'd expect before you have actually moved into a new "harmonic" and ths create a distinctly difference aspect from an opposition.

For a quincunx the orb really is only about 1 1/2 degrees mathematically. I wouldn't stretch that too far - 1 degree for minor bodies and points, 2 for major planets and 3 for luminaries. Four degrees wider then you're in a 7th harmonic aspect, a triseptile, which has its own distinct personality. Go narrower by 4 degrees and you're in a very weak aspect ( ready for this, tredecasemisquisquare) followed 2 degrees later by a biquintile. So be careful about pushing those orbs, espeically with minor aspects.

In Jenluvsblackcat's case, that Mercury-Moon aspect in simply too narrow to form the second side of a yod. That Merc-Moon aspect is an aspect but not a quincunx. Her Sun-Moon aspect is stronger - that's a biquintile, for sure. With her Sun conjunct her merc, this biquintile effectively drowns out that weaker Merc-Moon aspect. Biquintiles, while still debated, aren't quincunxes (also still debated - but one thing is certain: they don't act the same), so you can't make a yod out of this.

FYI- biquintiles, as with other 5th harmonic aspects, are associated with skills, either native or acquired. To interpret a biquintile, take the basic understanding of a trine (aggreeable, positive, needs activiation) but applied specifically to skills. In Jen's case, because both planets in this biquintile fall in Venusian signs, this may indicate she has natural skills or the desire to form skills in areas that are distinctly Venusian, such as art, the home, socializing/entertaining, and so forth. House placement too needs to be cosnidered: for Jen, 1st house (self) + 9th (personal development in the world, i.e. education, religion, travel) seems to indicate this biquintile will fatcor is singificantly in her own personal development, her understanding of herself and her relationship withthe world, and her sense of self-worth.

 

[Frisiangal]

Sometimes, my mantra is "if I can't see it, it ain't real." And then other times I'm stricken with a gut sense of something I can sense- but I know you can't physically measure it. Like for example; telling whether or not someone loves you or even likes you. I have great sensitivity to others, yet I am bound because like I said, "If I can't see it, it ain't there."

Your Moon is conjunct your NN, so 'tangibility and substance' is still part of life's lessons.
Moon represents your expectations and, in the 9th house, you could incline to believe in them and other people, rather than in the facts relating to any situation. But your Sun-Mercury is in Libra. The ability to question, balance and weigh the pro's and con's that refer to you, personally, and make your own decisions.
Maybe the answer lies in the Chiron-Uranus opposition in the intercepted Gemini-Sagittarius in the 3rd-9th houses?
You are hurt each time you listen to (Gemini) , or maybe even try to be like others in the hope that they will like you ( a general Libran tendancy, I understand )., whilst Uranus is the rebel within you that knows that you can change these beliefs to form your own independent ones.
Astrologically, you are still in the Moon years. Once progr. Moon and transitíng Saturn begin a new cycle and you go through the 'transition year' into astrological adulthood, you will hopefully start to see the other other side of the same coin. People can then benefit from your practical experience as you help them through their emotional difficulties. Moon rules your MC. You couldprovide comfort in a professional capacity.

As far as education goes--I'm quitting the college I'm in now and going to a more challenging school! (and the new school is no more than a 3 hr train ride from my home)
Hurrah for Astrology and Psychology!

Are you studying psychology, Jen? Or any technique that delves into the why's and wherefore's of life? That sextile from Pluto and your strong Libran side, together, are naturals in getting to the bottom of things.

Out of interest, I looked up the position of your Black Moon Lilith...the hidden feature in you You have BML on approx. 4 Aries in the 7th house, square Mars and inconjunct/quincunx Pluto. There's someone in you that can stand up to, and turn away from any attempt at manipulation, intimidation and force of your will. You're stronger than you think you are. Use it wisely and not simply as 'the strong feminine come-on wiles' that others may see in you, that you/they come to reproach, and could turn against you by creating false images (the demons that torment) of you that don't really exist.

F.

 

[jenluvsblackcat]

Are you studying psychology, Jen? Or any technique that delves into the why's and wherefore's of life? That sextile from Pluto and your strong Libran side, together, are naturals in getting to the bottom of things.

While I've always been drawn by psychology, right now I'm an English major about to go back to studying music. But I'm always searching for the reasons behind certain human behavior.

Out of interest, I looked up the position of your Black Moon Lilith...the hidden feature in you You have BML on approx. 4 Aries in the 7th house, square Mars and inconjunct/quincunx Pluto. There's someone in you that can stand up to, and turn away from any attempt at manipulation, intimidation and force of your will. You're stronger than you think you are. Use it wisely and not simply as 'the strong feminine come-on wiles' that others may see in you, that you/they come to reproach, and could turn against you by creating false images (the demons that torment) of you that don't really exist.

I had always equated the above feelings within me with my Venus in Scorpio. People in general (most esp. other women) are usually intimidated by me when I'm acting in my natural sense. I feel uncomfortable when this happens! It's not that I'm domineering or unpleasant...it's just that I'm solid and certain
I do get mad if someone does not notice and acknowledge me. (For instance, this one professor I've had for at least 3 months now will not even take the time to learn my NAME! :twisted: LOL It's a small class too!)
In my mind, if someone is not comfortable with this stronger aspect of my personality, then I will never be able to be "myself" around them. At that point, I overkill with my Libra politeness and diplomacy. Finding the balance has not been easy.
Thanks for the Black Moon Lilith info!!