The Yod of God

wilsontc

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Saturn exalted in 7th house

heart,

Since Saturn is exalted in Libra, and Libra is associated with the 7th house, I extend it and say Saturn is exalted both in Libra and in 7th house. Sometimes this is put as "accidentally exalted", since it is an exaltation of house, not sign. I do not focus on ancient/traditional/mediaeval astrology, so I limit my discussion to rulership, detriment, exaltation, and fall, without using the other ancient terms (e.g., in "joy", etc.).

Here is a link to a site which also uses this system. Notice Saturn in the 1rst house (house associated with Aries) is Saturn in the house of its fall, and Saturn is in fall in Aries:
http://www.san.beck.org/Astro-Saturn.html

I, too, am using the Placidus house system.

Keeping it simple,

Tim
 

sophie

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The yod of God

Wilsonic, Thank you for yourinterpretation and to show me the boomerang interpretation . I will work on it a bit longer..... :roll:
 

Summery Joy

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Radu,

Yes, you're correct. Joy is what is used to describe the house equivalent of exaltation. But I was actually going the way Tim was going, using exltation of planets in signs as guideline. Joy works better though.

Tim,

Again I'm confused. Isn't Saturn exalted in Virgo, which is associated with the 6th house?
 

wilsontc

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Saturn is exalted in Libra

heart,

Saturn is exalted in Libra, which is associated with the 7th house. MERCURY is exalted in Virgo...although this gives some astrologers fits ;) , since Mercury is ALSO the ruler of Virgo. These astrologers then create new exaltations for Mercury...but Mercury is the traditional one.

More here about traditional rulership (second section, middle of the page):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrological_sign

In exaltation,

Tim
 

Summery Joy

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Tim,

Oh wow. Saturn is exalted in Libra. I've been doing things wrong for a very long time!!!! Thank you for correcting me. I still think Saturn in the 7th house is an affliction though. Through my short experience, I've noticed that natals of Saturn in the 7th house cannot maintain a stable relationship until their first Saturn return. And those who get married before then either end up with a divorce or a really lousy marriage that cannot be fixed even after the Saturn return. But like I said, my experience is quite short. I've only been doing astrology for a year. Maybe I'll come across some cases that will prove my theory wrong.

Johan,

Here we go.

The base of the yod is formed of Pluto and Neptune. Let's study each separately first.

Pluto in Virgo, of course, has a generational effect. The functions of Pluto are mainly transformation, reconstruction after destruction and .. well.. extremes! Virgo colors the planets with shades of service, health and critical attitudes. So as a generation, these natals tend to help the world transform through perfection and health. It's highly likely to find them very interested in environmental issues.

Virgo, however, is a pretty unconfident sign. It tends to give a sense of responsibility and duty that lead to hard work (which is, my opinion, a defense mechanism against the low self-confidence). And with the extremist Pluto being colored here, related issues can be really high or really low.
Your natal Pluto is in the 12th house, the house with the worst reputation of all. And Pluto's energies are cruel to deal with much of the time. The 12th house is the dump where we hide things from ourselves and others, and Pluto's functions include secrets. With this placement it can be very hard – if not almost impossible – for you to open up to others. You have a great potential for psychological transformation though. It's just that you have to be careful with your ability of self-analysis. You can either use it or abuse it. Also, this placement can give potential for abusive drug or alcohol consumption.

Moving on to your natal Neptune; you got it in Scorpio in the 3rd house. It's interesting to find Neptune and Scorpio involved a sextile with Pluto in the 12th house. It will increase the intensity of the preceding issues. Illusions, delusions collective consciousness, higher spiritual perception are colored by transformation and, again, secrets and extremes. This time it's in those life areas related to the 3rd house. Siblings, neighbors, communication abilities, analytical potential, early learning stages and pretty much anything related to your mental ability will be affected be this placement. Like I’ve told Sophie already, Neptune’s illusions colored with the Scorpio shade of transformation and intensity will cause you to “expect” emotional support and valuables (material and otherwise) from others. She had to deal with that in the 4th house, you in the 3rd. Neptune will cause issues with you and your siblings, neighbors and anyone that you place in that category. You can switch from very close bonds to illusions and deception as intensely as your Scorpio related placements allow you (i.e., a lot). Aside from that, Neptune in the 3rd house can defuse your mental ability and concentration, but can give you a lot of talent. Don't do accounting, but do write fiction novels. You know what I mean?

You have special placements here. Pluto and Neptune are retrograde in your natal chart. Retrograde planets are usually associated with the first part of the word; "re". When transiting planets are retrograding, astrologers will tell you to re-do things in the area of your life related to the house under the Rx transit. When you're born under a retrograde planet, you tend to re-do things in that area of your life on your own. Yes, this means that the forgoing interpretation of your natal Pluto and Neptune will be issues that you deal with over and over again. Like everything, this has its pros and cons. The biggest pro is that every time you re-do something, you get better at it. You see new things that you missed the last time around. As they say, practice makes perfect. The main downside, and this will be especially obvious in your chart with Pluto, Neptune and the 12th house involved, is that you can obsessive about the issues in question. In your case, I can see potential of extreme self-undoing, destruction and trying to the construct with even more destructive tools. If you do suffer a lot from the downside of this placement, just remember that retrograde motion is an optical illusion due to the geocentric perceptive of astrology. Pluto wasn't really moving backwards when you were born. It just seemed to be doing so. I'd go on about how to deal with natal planets in Rx motion, but this is not the point of this post.

Anyhow, I think you can see how your natal Pluto and Neptune placements have affinity for one another. Throw in the sextile and you got yourself one tough team to beat.

Unlike like most of the yod natals, on the other side you got another team. You don't have one planet on the apex, you have two. Although team Vs team is fairer than team Vs one player, this particular situation will give you a tough battle. If you're into sports, you'll know what I mean. Have you ever watched a game where a strong team played against a mediocre team? The strong team will slaughter the weak one, but it will still be an easy game for both parties. But when two tough teams are playing, it's an interesting game with a lot of energy and conflict involved. Can you imagine such game where there is no particular time limit? Don't freak out. It's not so bad. Such games are actually good for the development of both teams. To see how that applies to you, let's study the apex team.

Saturn is in conjunction with Venus Rx in Aries in the 8th house. Tim is right. Saturn here is in fall. But “fall” doesn’t mean a bad placement. It simply means that the functions of the planet involved are colored with highly unusual shades. Saturn is cold and its functions include restriction, duty, responsibility, fear, care, etc. Aries gives a fiery cardinal warrior color with more than a hint of a leaping-before-thinking attitude. Normally, Saturn would be more than glad to sit down and wait until everything is thought out rationally and analytically. But Saturn in Aries just cannot wait and think. A good thing about this placement (in my opinion) is that its natals tend to gain security through initiative, something that is very much unlike Saturn.

Saturn is also used in a natal chart to point out the area of life where the natal would have a good career or assume most of their responsibilities. Yours is in the 8th house. This placement suggests a good career dealing with other people’s resources. You could be a lawyer or a banker using the energy of this placement (very much unlike what the base of your yod suggests, huh?). Maybe you’ll find yourself assuming responsibilities that should normally be assumed by your partners. The 8th house is also associated with sexuality. Saturn is a restrictive bundle of energy which gives the natal - with such placement - a need to have sexual matters organized and under control. However, your Saturn is in Aries, so this is a problem that you should be able to overcome. Also this placement could suggest problems in matters of credit, shared resources or inheritance. Yeah, you should be good managing other people’s resources, but not your own that are somehow linked to other people’s resources.

Venus is also in Aries. Venus is associated with arts as well as love and sexual attraction. Natals with this placement are likely to be direct and bold in the way you flirt. It’s fairly easy for them to get swept away with desire. They need constant excitement in relationships other wise they’ll just get bored. Exciting and risky is better than boring and comfortable for them. I don’t think you’re totally out of control that way but you could be obsessive for two reasons; your Venus is conjunct Saturn and it happens to be in retrograde motion.

Venus is used in the natal chart to show the area in life where natal would be most expressive of affection and social and artistic attributes. Yours is in the 8th house. My, oh my! You’re highly likely to express affection and creativity in sex. On the other hand, if Venus or the 8th house suffer affliction, there may be inherent fear and/or anger of inability to enjoy relationships to the fullest. There’s also a chance of material gain through partners (unlike what Saturn says, huh?). Again, keep in mind the Venus is Rx.

Ok. Try to fuse the energies of Saturn and Venus. You’ll see that their team gives them fire and initiative in issues related to others. But they are in a conjunction here, which means that their energies can be stressful or harmonious depending on many different factors. You’ll feel the expression of love and arts (Venus) within yourself, but you’ll feel that it is somehow under restriction (Saturn).

Let’s watch the game, shall we? On one side we have a team powered by the affinity felt by its members and the harmonious flow of energy between them. The other team is influential also but the members have very different functions and the flow of energy is stressful much of the time. Again, the base times wins and the apex team suffers.

Areas of struggling with psychological wellbeing, self-undoing, hazy communication and possible problematic relationships with siblings and/or neighbors will team up and affect the ability of expression in and sound management of possible outcomes of relationships. Sometimes the dreamy base will let the apex have a nice fantasy and other times it’ll just ruin everything that apex is trying to do. The Finger of God is pointing at the problems relating to relationships outcomes. You have to realize that these problems are not caused by the other person involved. It’s all coming from within. It’s not that the other person is not letting you express or doesn’t understand, it’s just that you’re expecting what is normally too much to be expected. Also, there’s a possibility that you project your own problems or attributes on others. A lot of denial is in the air.

You have a lot of healing powers. You need to use them on yourself. So you’re dreamy and you’re head is more in the clouds than on Earth? Good. Share the feeling. Picking the right words may be difficult at first, but you can learn. Share your dreams and psychic abilities. Just teach yourself to remember that your mind works in a different way than others and if they can’t understand you than maybe you need to explain with patience, if you want that is. Just don’t point the finger of blame to others. Turn it around and you’ll see that the solution lies within. If you can reconcile the differences between the yod members, you’ll be able to heal many relationships, including your own. See if the rest your chart has energies that could help with that.

By the way, I didn’t look at the rest of the chart. I’m sorry, but I’ve been so busy lately that it too me three days to write your yod interpretation alone. Much of what I said could be away from the truth if more powerful contradicting energies exist in your natal chart. So, like Elianah says, take what fits and ditch the rest.

Hope I’ve been helpful.
 

johan

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Sorehearted,

Thank you for the time taken to do your interpretation of my yod.
A lot of what you said makes a lot of sense.

Don't want to right now to say things about it,later.
First have to absorb the information you supplied completely.

It is helpful.At the moment it is difficult for me to concentrate.

Thanks very much,i will feedback later,if that is okay with you

Can't thank you enough,Johan
 

johan

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Sore,

Keeping it short and simple:
A lot of things you say,i would say bingo!(not all of course,like you say,it is not my whole chart!No banker or lawyer :lol: or aspirations for it)

The potention for drug-abuse:never used harddrugs,but smoking is obsessive to me.A lot of people smoke of course,but not the way i do,tending to use it as an excuse for everything,obsessivelike.

Saturn/venus:yes,something like the brake on your car or as an astrologer described it:venus nudges her little nose to saturn.

Just picking out some things here out of your explanation,liked the way you used it as two teams.Won't discuss the rest of it sorehearted,it's enough i have learned something here(and i don't mean just the two things i picked out of your explanation,but i won't go saying things about the rest,but use it for myself ),thanx!
 

wilsontc

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The power of astrology

johan,

You said:
Just picking out some things here out of your explanation,liked the way you used it as two teams.Won't discuss the rest of it sorehearted,it's enough i have learned something here(and i don't mean just the two things i picked out of your explanation,but i won't go saying things about the rest,but use it for myself ),thanx!

And THAT'S the power of astrology. One person can give another person VERY good advice without for anyone needing to reveal anything to each other. It preserves privacy while it encourages self-development! A real "two-fer". Uranus rules astrology and Uranus is about helping with other people's self-expression. By sharing our astrological knowledge with each other we bring the promise of Uranus into the power of astrology!

Uranistically,

Tim
 

Arian Maverick

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Since yods are one of my favorite topics, I refuse to let this thread die yet :D

I am curious how multiple conjunct planets forming points of a yod will affect its overall significance and flavor...sometimes I feel like a have too much information to work with :roll:

For example, in one of my yods I have a tight Sun/Mercury/Venus conjunction sextile Mars, both inconjunct to Pluto...so practically all of my personal planets are involved in some form of transformation. I am always curious how to interpret this...

Does anyone else have a similar configuration?

Aquarian Maverick
 
A book (can't remember which one) said people with yod in their natal chart can often feel that they are the exception of the rule. I have a yod with sun as the apex inconjunct neptune and pluto. My sun is in the ninth house conjunct Chiron and Part of Fortune. I feel that I have been the exception of the rule in my educational history. In high school, I am the only one out of hundreds that didn't have to pay a penny of tuition or for any textbook. It last for three years until I graduated (not that I am from some powerful family, believe me...the whole thing is solely b/c of my academic performance) Now I came to US for graduate studies as an international student, and I have got great opportunity to be able to work full-time in industry and also be able to finish my PhD's - it is really hard to work out for international students b/c of visa issue and legal work status. I have met a lot of obstacles on the way and things just turned around and worked out in a dramatical way...

My sun also trines vertex. I feel strongly fated, especially about relationship. All girls I have ever had feelings on are sun Leo. I even met and loved two girls with the same birthday.

I also have a kite that I don't know how to fly... heehee
 

Summery Joy

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Aquarian Maverick,

OK, I cannot quite visualize your yod, but I can offer some tips.

First, the apex of the yod is always the point of suffering until the neutrotic energies are reconciled. No matter how many planets there are at the apex, this is where the yod is pointing.

A way to understand the apex is figure out how the energies work on their own, apart from the inconjuncts going on with the base, is to look up the interpretation of each placement alone (Planet in sign in house). Consider everything, including special placements like Rx motion. After you have figured out how each planet at the apex works alone, try to imagine all these energies fused together. It won't be hard since all conuctions are most often in the same house and sign. In your case, ego, creativity, self-expression, emotional expression and physical love are energies that cannot be separated.

After you've figured that out, do the same with the base then compare the two team. But always keep in mind the the base team is teh source of the problem and the apex team is where you suffer most because of the problem. After reconciling the energies, the base will be sources of wisdom and the apex will be the area you can help others with. This basically the yod in a nutshell.

Danny,

Yeah, I've always felt like the exception of a rule, but I never attributed that to my yod. I just figured it's all just rebelion of the youth or something :)

Say, does your yod change in any way in your relocational chart?
 
sorehearted, good question... In my relocation chart, sun now is conjunct with IC, and pluto/neptune are located in the 8th/11th houses.

Maybe the good luck I have in my education is only because my sun/PoF is natally in the 9th and Jupiter is now in the 9th in the relocation chart. I really don't know how to explain my yod - pluto in 2nd, neptune in the 4th and sun as the apex.

Now I just begin my career and speaking of that, Mercury is my 1st and 10th house ruler, and it falls in Gemini / the natal 10th house. Mercury is also one apex in my kite. I really like this planet. Hope it wil make my career path smooth.

One thing interesting is that since pluto/saturn/mars now are in my 8th house in the relocation chart, right after the third yr I am in US, I began to dig into western astrology.
 

wilsontc

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Effects of yods

Maverick,

You said:
I am curious how multiple conjunct planets forming points of a yod will affect its overall significance and flavor...sometimes I feel like a have too much information to work with...

That's EXACTLY the effect of a Yod...there is so much informational energy pouring in from the that something HAS to be done about it. But if there is a LOT of information pouring in then the grand question is...WHAT should be done about it? ;) Don't worry, this energy HAS to find an outlet. Perhaps, in your case, Pluto (transformation) focused in the 9th house (expansion, also wisdom) is about trasforming yourself and others through sharing your wisdom and desire to learn more!

Yodationally transformative,

Tim
 

sita

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I've been following the thread, but I'm not sure I get this yod thing. I think God is pointing to my dilapidated Venus, but I'm not sure. If Neptune's in H10 Sag at 18 degrees, Pluto's in H8 Libra at 15 degrees, and Venus is across the way in H3 Taurus at 12 dgrees, Is this still a yod, even if that Venus is oppositioned to Uranus in 9H Scorpio?

Sita

Ps: sorehearted, you can add another native to that Saturn in the Seventh House concept you are building... I have that placement and I am totally unstable in relationships and don't have the slighest idea about what my destiny is in love. It could be really really good, but it could be just as equally tragic. I blame Uranus.
 

johan

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Sita,

you have a boomerang,a yod with a special effect,in your case uranus
(look at the first page of this thread of Tim,he also refers to a site)

I had never heard of it,boomerang
Maybe it is time for Tim to try to explain your boomerang for insights
 

Arian Maverick

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OK, I cannot quite visualize your yod, but I can offer some tips.

I'll post my natal chart here to make visualization easier then :wink:



Here is another version that Tim kindly e-mailed me...it's much more detailed than the Astrodienst chart.



Thank you all for the overwhelming number of responses...I actually did not expect this topic to come around again! Typical Balsamic Moon pessimism :roll:

Aquarian Maverick
 
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