The strange 'Pluto in twelfth' - dream

[fullmoonlibra]

I had a dream last night..
And it was not one of my best dreams!

I dreamed that my husband killed some young guy out of anger, in his own bed (in a house I don't know).
After that a young and good looking police officer came to us and my husband tried to hide this crime.
The police officer said that he knew that it was he, because of some astrological positions in his chart. And then he pointed to his sun in twelfth house (which is true, he really has sun in twelfth house).
And THEN he said to me that I have Pluto in twelfth.
I was surprised and curious about this position. And how it would effect in synastry to my husbands twelfth house sun.
The moment after that, the person who got killed was there too!
He didn't die, but only had deep wounds.
The police officr said that in this case my husband would not go to prison.
But, I found out that he was lying and that he was actually planning his capture.
I was at the point to text an sms to my husband to escape and wanted to tell the real purpose of the police officer, but I changed my mind.
I thought it was better to be loyal to the authority and that everything should go righteous.
I hid from my husband that he was going to get captured.
And at the end of the day he got captured.


For so far my dream...

Now, in real life my natal Pluto is in third house and I have an empty twelfth house, cancer on the cusp.
The other scarrying part of the dream is about the twelfth house focus.
When I was dreaming I didn't make any link to the twelfth house, but when I woke up I thought about the fact that my husband just started with his job as a psychologist.
Yesterday was his first day, an introduction day, and today he is going to meet his seriously psychotic (even dangerous) patients...
So I understand the interpretation of the sun twelfth house completely for him..

But what about the Pluto in twelfth for me?
I don't understand how I should interpret this factor coming into my life.
The only link I can make to the reality is that I have now Pluto transiting conjunct Neptune in fifth house.
Why am I dreaming stuff like these....


I love to know everything about the twelfth house now, it was never a study object for me, because mine is empty, but after this dream I like to share your twelfth house experiences.
And maybe something more about pluto there.

 

[miquar]

Hi Fullmoonlibra. Fascinating dream. If you take all the characters in the dream to be parts of yourself, and throw in the Sun connection too, then it could be that a part of you (your husband in the dream, or perhaps a part of you that gives more priority to your husbands goals than your own) is holding back a newly emerging part of you (the young guy who is killed) and that this energy will come back (in the form of the police officer) to rectify this. Since you noticed that the police officer is good looking, it could be that the newly emerging energy is either erotic in nature, or is something that will make you feel very good about yourself, or perhaps if you mean that he was good looking in a kind of manly macho way then it could be about your Mars energy emerging to help you pursue your desires. I think the Pluto and the 12th show that whatever is emerging is coming from a deep and potentially disconcerting place within you, and that this is an issue which can be traced through your immediate ancestors and which now needs to be addressed in order to enhance the viability (Pluto) of your ancestral line.

These are just my thoughts about it. I'm not a dream expert or anything.

 

[fullmoonlibra]

Thanks for your interpretation
Well, there is a lot of (creative) energy in me, holded back.

Btw the police officer was more of a beautiful boy type, not a macho.

 

[hvnlystarz]

what an amazing dream! have you worked the images? you can free associate with each image and see what comes up from your unconscious in regards to meaning for you. i think dreams can have many levels of meaning- personal/subjective, collective, spiritual, even psychic. you could be picking up on something for your husband- but it could also be (both/and) about you and your own psyche as the poster above delineated.

in regards to working the images- you free associate with everything. so what do police bring up for you? 12th house suns? handsome young men? killing someone? etc...? there are images that many thing are collective- like the ocean symbolizing the unconscious- but if you almost drowned when you were 2 and i spent all my summers in hawaii we are likely going to have very different associations with the ocean. these are key in figuring out what the dream means for you.

a book i highly recommend for dream work is 'understanding dreams' by mary ann mattoon.

also- curious what your transits were last night???

~h

 

[miquar]

Btw the police officer was more of a beautiful boy type, not a macho.

Ahh the archetype of the puer aeturnus perhaps - the eternal youth, who lives only for new possibilities and sees too much routine as imprisonment or death. Its a very fiery, airy archetype, with special affinity with Gemini and Sagittarius in particular, and Mercury and Jupiter. Like Peter Pan who never grows up and gets to play all his life!

Bit strange for him to be in uniform though??

 

[fullmoonlibra]

I never worked with dreams before, I don't know how to do it.
But after you said, I looked at my transits for last night: moon transit through twelfth house!!

 

[fullmoonlibra]

i have solved my dream!!!
and that by coincidence..
i am learning to work with solar return charts and my solar return chart for this year shows that my ascendant is in scorpio, and my natal pluto (in natal 3th house) is conjunct my ascendant, and falls in the solar 12th house!
what can i expect with such a position? is my dream warning me?

 

[JUPITERASC]

i have solved my dream!!!
and that by coincidence..
i am learning to work with solar return charts and my solar return chart for this year shows that my ascendant is in scorpio, and my natal pluto (in natal 3th house) is conjunct my ascendant, and falls in the solar 12th house!
what can i expect with such a position? is my dream warning me?

IMO your dream is bringing the idea that astrology has some advice for you to your waking consciousness

Dream Moods dictionary is interesting to consider as well:

"To see the police in your dream symbolizes structure, rules, power, authority and control. You need to put an end to your reckless behaviour or else the law will catch up to you. Alternatively, the dream refers to failure in honouring your obligation and commitments.

To dream that you are arrested by the police suggests that you feel sexually or emotionally restrained because of guilt. The dream may also be a metaphor that you are feeling apprehensive about something.

To dream that you are having difficulties contacting the police suggests that you have yet to acknowledge your own authoritativeness in a situation. You need to take control and be in command of the direction of your life." source: http://www.dreammoods.com/dreamdictionary/p4.htm

 

[filly]

Sounds like you are worried about your husbands psychological well being and that you fear that he's somehow going to get his identity lost in the minds of his patients (waters of Neptune, illusional, drugs,etc..).
You don't wanna loose him...

Pluto/Neptune transit can trigger deep dreams about our fears.
and the third house pertains to the subconcious (or lower) mind as well in other delineations of Astrology opposed to the 9th House of the higher mind...

When the handsome officer tells you that you have Pluto in the 12th, he's hinting the attractive prospect that you have the power to transform the psychological or physical breakdowns that a healer(your husband)
is likely to suffer in the process of healing others.

It's his (ur Husband) "karma" to inflict/awaken pain in others, so the wounds can open, heal and the desease be killed or transformed. Great responsability in his hands... Your awear that real and/or spiritual punnishment can occur due to some miss-use!

Your dream suggests by your reaction that you are awear that Karma is incharge and that it's not in your hands to judge him, condemn him nor save him. Natural law.

BUT...Pluto in the 12th as suggested, has a hold over mental images and can give it any outcome. The officer was telling you what ressourses you have, and those are gifts to be used for the ones in need...
No need to act, to break the law, advise your husband...Just as simple as this:
You could've seen the liberation of your husband by him being trusted and judged in the eyes of the compassionate and all Powerful God...

There's forms of healing that are based on mental projection and that requires a lot of energy...
Maybe that's a hint that you have the power or desire to become what your husband IS (he is a healer in the light, through scientific ways) .But you could be in a different, secretive, dark, hidden way...

Just the opinion of someone with Pluto in the 12th...

 

[identity]

i actually have pluto in the 12th and i can actually say ive had dreams that i was dying but ive also had really transforming dreams, the kind that i wake up from and i feel a new sense of self.

 

[filly]

Check your Natal Pluto/Nep midpoints. See in what sign and house it falls to find where you can integrate this 2 energies.
Check if you have any hard aspects to it Natally ur by transits and planets of your husband making hard aspects to this midpoint.


Might give you more clues...

 

[fullmoonlibra]

You are doing right interpretations, really.
Because I really need that authority, discipline and structure in my life if I want to succeed.
I have jupiter in seventh square saturn in fourth, so it's hard for me to stay disciplined.

What are midpoints? Are these just where pluto and neptune natally are?
Pluto is in 3rd and Neptune is conjunct Mars in capricorn in 5th (focal points of t square and talent triangle)

 

[filly]

You are doing right interpretations, really.
Because I really need that authority, discipline and structure in my life if I want to succeed.
I have jupiter in seventh square saturn in fourth, so it's hard for me to stay disciplined.

Hi fullmoonlibra!

Yesterday I was very tired and maybe missed a bit of the puzzle:

The ressourses I mentioned are related to your creative abilities.
Maybe it's your sub-conscient telling you that you need in a way to become the devil's/god's advocate in turns.
Learn to find good causes to fight for in situations that seemed bad at the surface.
List the good in bad and the bad in good in order to see under the surface. Then find arguments to fight both!

There's nothing worse than having no stand. Choose to do nothing for lack of ideas and lose to someone elses power without rienvidication.
For we are blind and see only the laws of men... and we must only surrender to the higher laws when we tryed all of our creative resources.

Go deep, re-evaluate, re-create, re-invent. Do your own laws, use your available power and then ultimately let go if there's nothing else you can do.

Then Wish hard in your mind for your wildest desires and find a good/godly reason to add to it.

What are midpoints? Are these just where pluto and neptune natally are?
Pluto is in 3rd and Neptune is conjunct Mars in capricorn in 5th (focal points of t square and talent triangle)[/QUOTE]

You just need to take the degrees and signs of where the planets are and find the middle betwin them.

For example. Pluto is at 0 Aries and Neptune at 30 Aries. The Midpoint betwin this two planets is at 15 Aries.

There are Midpoint calculators on line if you just google it. easy

After you find that focal point or degree, imagine that the 2 planets are conjunct at that point. That's where they get united and can get to blend together. So any planet conjunct that point, opposite, square, ses-square would be a bridge to blend this 2 planets, their meanings, the houses in one focal point.
It's a power point where you can satisfy your need for intense transformation(pluto) of ideals (Neptune) for example.
Use the key words of the planets accordingly to the houses and signs.

If you have a planet on this point. it means it's easy for you to use this 2 combo using the energy of the planet in the midlle to do so.
If the Moon is in the middle of Pluto/Neptune.Then your power to deeply transform your ideals have root in your psyche.
Through emotions and intuition you connect with and use this 2 resources and apply it to the house where it falls and spread it to other planets that make aspects.
The Midpoints are activated as well by transits and synastry!

Hope has been understandable. I'm all over the place and go sleep a bit

 

[JUPITERASC]

You are doing right interpretations, really.
Because I really need that authority, discipline and structure in my life if I want to succeed.
I have jupiter in seventh square saturn in fourth, so it's hard for me to stay disciplined.

What are midpoints? Are these just where pluto and neptune natally are?
Pluto is in 3rd and Neptune is conjunct Mars in capricorn in 5th (focal points of t square and talent triangle)

Launch of first online midpoints calculator http://www.realastrology.co.cc/

 

[fullmoonlibra]

Wow, thanks a lot for this stunning information about midpoints and thanks for giving me the link to calculate it.
Sagi at 5 is the pluto/neptune midpoint and it's conjunct with saturn at 8 in 4th house.
So the power to deeply transform my ideals is possible through discipline.

 

[filly]

Wow, thanks a lot for this stunning information about midpoints and thanks for giving me the link to calculate it.
Sagi at 5 is the pluto/neptune midpoint and it's conjunct with saturn at 8 in 4th house.
So the power to deeply transform my ideals is possible through discipline.

You'r welcome. Just came to my mind coz I just recently started studying the midpoints. And I agree with you that it's quite stunning!

Well, the orbs are meant to be taken a bit shorter. Some say 1.5 or 2 degrees. No more than that. But if I recall you also have Mars conjunct Neptune and depending if this conjunction is tight I believe you have Saturn as a Midpoint contact.
The other thing is if you feel it working in your life.

Midpoints evaluation in a chart can be long time consuming...
I just mentioned a few key words in order to give you an example so you could understand how it works. But it must be develloped further.

1st analyse the Nep/Mars in Cap 5th house- though it can represent many other things is the house of personal creative endouvers and hobbies.
Neptune in Cap is not the fancy idealist, you only dream of things that you can achieve... Practical dreams and ideologies. Anything you create through your visionary mind has to have a purpose. Like the Architect!
Mars is exalted here and very strong. You have the drive and the stamina to bring your realistic dreams to form. (personal and humanitarian)

On the other side, Pluto in Scorpio in the 3rd. Seeks to learn the mysterious, discover what power that knowledge brings, brings constant change and transformation in your learning interests and processes of learning. How to communicate/ learn step by step subjective matters on regular bases... The power of words.
How to transform the subjective into objective.(By any form of communication: visual, written, spoken, drawing. media...)
Might give interest in Politics, Government affairs, surrounding people with power, influent with neighbours/immediate public. Access to secret information. Fears of personal secrets revealed, hidding in the mist. Being suspicious and secrective. Not much talkative, religious dogmas, Astrology, Social Psychology...

The supporting tree for these 2/3 branches lays with Saturn in Sagi 4H.

Saturn is the ruler of your 5th and 6th houses (hobbies, artistry & daily routines, work) in your 4th may mean you work on this from your personal home, home country, a building, a community center, transportation, Church...in Sagittarius: Foreign affairs, relations with people with the same ideologies, philosophies, religion (or the opposite) Abroad matters, Home-office, travel, law, rules, freedom related issues, teaching,... All depends where Jupiter, the ruler of the 4th is.

Saturn can show us where we are responsible, carry a burden, are limited or restricted, stuck... or feel safe, where our fortress is... Those restrictive/safe qualities chosen or not by you are the staying power that "force" you to bring the midpoint purpose into being and make use of it! A lesson you've learnt by heart if your Saturn is really activating the point...

I mentioned less personal examples a lot as outside influences, because they can act as the catalystic force in tying deep personal motives with our practical lives.

In a more personal point of view. your home structure accordingly to your ideologies/culture which colour your home and core being, act as a base for you to concentrate, create, act, transform, expand and empower your personal/inner life.

I'd appreciate your feed back. So I can devellop my study on the midpoints.
Other rulerships/aspects should be taken into consideration to synthesize the analysis...but oh well...

 

[fullmoonlibra]

I am really so thankful for your wonderful interpretation.
It is so real and so inspiring!
I really appreciate it.
I believe you are on the good way with your study

I liked your nep in cap interpretation the most, soo true!
Plus: My only dream is the dream of success, I can't imagine me happier without
But I have POF (29 degrees cappi: late achievement I guess?) exact at the cusp of 6th house, so maybe that is another reason for my happiness that is found in achievement.

I consider the neptune/mars conjunction in the 5th house as the most important thing in my chart, because it is aspected a lot.
They show trines to MC (which I am happy about )
It is the focus of my T square (moon-mercury) and it also forms the focus of a small talent triangle (pluto-jupiter).
Funny, that when talking about midpoints, neptune/mars actually is not only double focus, but also midpoint of moon-mercury and jupiter-pluto