piercethevale
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poyi, it seems I was in error. Our M.C's are next to each other not the exact same.
I had assumed you were totally onboard with the understanding of the enumeration of the degrees.
Your 25th of Leo was actually the 26th it seems
Please be aware that while it was Jones whom had the Symbols first [Elsie withstanding] Rudhyar caught on that there were a few that just weren't jibing with the rest as to the entire set being a process of transformation of spiritual evolution in 360 steps.
It apparently took a couple/three years before Dane was convinced that there were a few that were 'just wrong'. as He was living in Los Angeles at the time [about 1934 or 35, I forget] and somehow he found out that Elsie Wheeler was living in San Diego so Dane drove down to S.D. to pay Miss Elsie a call. Marc Edmond Jones had apparently given, Elsie, all 360 of the cards used in the divination process some ten years prior and Dane got to see for himself what was and what wasn't
That Dane picked up on the alteration just some three or four years after being introduced to them and that Marc wanted the symbols to conform to an ideal he had preconceived before he and Elsie did their effort but couldn't pull it off without being noticable, gives good cause to stop and ponder the fact that while Dane did give the symbols in his first book on Astrology in 1936 he spent the next, nearly, forty years studying them before publishing His book on the symbols while Marc did get a book published in 1953 ...in a little more than half the time Dane spent on them.
I don't know if Marc ever reformed the few He so obviously monkeyed with or not when He did finally publish them and made them available to the general public. If I still had a copy of Dane's first book on Astrology, "The Astrology of Personality". in which Rudhyar lists all 360 just as Elsie first described them I could see what Jones has done
Regardless, I believe Rudhyar to be the far better symbologist of the two.
My advice for years has been, "Get Rudhyar's book and get to know the symbols through Dane...later on you might, probably will, want a copy of Marc Edmond Jones work, Lynda Hill's and possibly another author or twos as well.. Beware though, there are a couple of authors that just butchered the set of symbols. One of them deleted any symbolism that had even a hint of Christian iconography in it and quite apparently in the least concerned and most arbitrarily manner anyone could have possibly done. The reformed symbols are now completely something else and not even remotely related to the original
Heck, I own about 8 different copies of the 'I Ching'...and I'm still looking for other versions all the time.
I was stunned to find out that Dane was so little known until he was nearly 70 years old. He was living like a recluse in a small apartment in Hollywood during the period 1948 to 1958...his second wife dying on him in 1955.
I lived in Hollywood from 1953 to '56, then No. Hollywood until late 1963.
I wonder if I hadn't of seen Dane somewhere around town during those years.
In parallel, it was in my brothers small studio apt. in No. Hollywood in 1984 to 1985 that the Sabian Symbols [and what techniques of astrology I employ] became known to me during a nine month stay with my brother...just before Dane had passed away.
What I would give to have had a chance to spent an evening talking with that man. He died in California in Sept. 1985, he was 90 years old.
I had assumed you were totally onboard with the understanding of the enumeration of the degrees.
Your 25th of Leo was actually the 26th it seems
Please be aware that while it was Jones whom had the Symbols first [Elsie withstanding] Rudhyar caught on that there were a few that just weren't jibing with the rest as to the entire set being a process of transformation of spiritual evolution in 360 steps.
It apparently took a couple/three years before Dane was convinced that there were a few that were 'just wrong'. as He was living in Los Angeles at the time [about 1934 or 35, I forget] and somehow he found out that Elsie Wheeler was living in San Diego so Dane drove down to S.D. to pay Miss Elsie a call. Marc Edmond Jones had apparently given, Elsie, all 360 of the cards used in the divination process some ten years prior and Dane got to see for himself what was and what wasn't
That Dane picked up on the alteration just some three or four years after being introduced to them and that Marc wanted the symbols to conform to an ideal he had preconceived before he and Elsie did their effort but couldn't pull it off without being noticable, gives good cause to stop and ponder the fact that while Dane did give the symbols in his first book on Astrology in 1936 he spent the next, nearly, forty years studying them before publishing His book on the symbols while Marc did get a book published in 1953 ...in a little more than half the time Dane spent on them.
I don't know if Marc ever reformed the few He so obviously monkeyed with or not when He did finally publish them and made them available to the general public. If I still had a copy of Dane's first book on Astrology, "The Astrology of Personality". in which Rudhyar lists all 360 just as Elsie first described them I could see what Jones has done
Regardless, I believe Rudhyar to be the far better symbologist of the two.
My advice for years has been, "Get Rudhyar's book and get to know the symbols through Dane...later on you might, probably will, want a copy of Marc Edmond Jones work, Lynda Hill's and possibly another author or twos as well.. Beware though, there are a couple of authors that just butchered the set of symbols. One of them deleted any symbolism that had even a hint of Christian iconography in it and quite apparently in the least concerned and most arbitrarily manner anyone could have possibly done. The reformed symbols are now completely something else and not even remotely related to the original
Heck, I own about 8 different copies of the 'I Ching'...and I'm still looking for other versions all the time.
I was stunned to find out that Dane was so little known until he was nearly 70 years old. He was living like a recluse in a small apartment in Hollywood during the period 1948 to 1958...his second wife dying on him in 1955.
I lived in Hollywood from 1953 to '56, then No. Hollywood until late 1963.
I wonder if I hadn't of seen Dane somewhere around town during those years.
In parallel, it was in my brothers small studio apt. in No. Hollywood in 1984 to 1985 that the Sabian Symbols [and what techniques of astrology I employ] became known to me during a nine month stay with my brother...just before Dane had passed away.
What I would give to have had a chance to spent an evening talking with that man. He died in California in Sept. 1985, he was 90 years old.
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