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david starling

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Are you saying that China wanted to target US military facility but missed by 40 miles and instead hit civilian town? And then learned nothing from the miss and kept hitting 40 miles off target over and over again? That's ridiculous theory.

It's impossible because US would detect attack from space on its soil and declare war on China. That's why US is constantly hitting its own territory (and citizens), because Russia and China have satellites too and can detect such attacks but in case of US hitting its own territory they will do nothing, it's not their concern.

No. They weren't about attacking the facility itself. That would have been an overt act of war. It did bring the facility to our attention, though, and makes it look possibly (accidentally) culpable for the fires. The investigation into what caused them is still ongoing.

China leaked weaponized Covid-19 from the Wuhan lab to damage the U.S. economy, as a response to Trump's belligerent "trade war". That's what knocked Trump out of office, since the economy was his main selling point. It's not the benevolent dictatorship it's being made out to be by enemies of the U.S., and loss of civilian lives means little or nothing to the Chinese rulership.
 
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Cap

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No. They weren't about attacking the facility itself. That would have been an overt act of war. It did bring the facility to our attention, though, and makes it look possibly (accidentally) culpable for the fires. The investigation into what caused them is still ongoing.

China leaked weaponized Covid-19 from the Wuhan lab to damage the U.S. economy, as a response to Trump's belligerent "trade war". That's what knocked Trump out of office, since the economy was his main selling point. It's not the benevolent dictatorship it's being made out to be by enemies of the U.S.
That's just part of MSM warmongering. Now that Ukraine "project" has failed, China is the new target. But IMO, just like in the case of Russia, in the case of China US will bite more than they can chew.

US is going down simply because it's empire based on neo-colonial exploitation and endless money printing. It's a finite system. There's only so much money you can print and so much territories you can plunder. Sooner or later house of cards will crumble. It's inevitable.
 

david starling

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That's just part of MSM warmongering. Now that Ukraine "project" has failed, China is the new target. But IMO, just like in the case of Russia, in the case of China US will bite more than they can chew.

US is going down simply because it's empire based on neo-colonial exploitation and endless money printing. It's a finite system. There's only so much money you can print and so much territories you can plunder. Sooner or later house of cards will crumble. It's inevitable.

How has the "Ukraine project" failed? The MIC is making big buck$, Russia looks bad, and Ukraine is still in the fight. The G20 resolution condemned what Russia is attempting in Ukraine without specifically mentioning Russia, and Russia had to hypocritically sign on to it! That picture of Putin holding hands with Kim Jong Un was priceless!
 
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Cap

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How has the "Ukraine project" failed? The MIC is making big buck$, Russia looks bad, and Ukraine is still in the fight. The G20 resolution condemned what Russia is doing in Ukraine without specifically mentioning Russia, and Russia had to sign on to it!
It has failed on so many levels.
The goal was to weaken Putin - Putin is now more popular than ever.
The goal was to create army capable of confronting Russia - that army is gone.
The goal was to damage Russian economy - Russian economy is now stronger than before the war.

It's not "fight" at this point but humanitarian catastrophe that needs to be stopped as soon as possible by Ukraine's surrender. Ukrainian army is long gone, at this point it's just untrained civilians, drafted by force and thrown into "meatgrinder".
 

JUPITERASC

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Are you saying that China wanted to target US military facility but missed by 40 miles and instead hit civilian town? And then learned nothing from the miss and kept hitting 40 miles off target over and over again? That's ridiculous theory.

good point :)

It's impossible because US would detect attack from space on its soil and declare war on China. That's why US is constantly hitting its own territory (and citizens), because Russia and China have satellites too and can detect such attacks but in case of US hitting its own territory they will do nothing, it's not their concern.

That's just part of MSM warmongering. Now that Ukraine "project" has failed, China is the new target. But IMO, just like in the case of Russia, in the case of China US will bite more than they can chew.

US is going down simply because it's empire based on neo-colonial exploitation and endless money printing. It's a finite system. There's only so much money you can print and so much territories you can plunder. Sooner or later house of cards will crumble. It's inevitable.



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david starling

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It has failed on so many levels.
The goal was to weaken Putin - Putin is now more popular than ever.
The goal was to create army capable of confronting Russia - that army is gone.
The goal was to damage Russian economy - Russian economy is now stronger than before the war.

It's not "fight" at this point but humanitarian catastrophe that needs to be stopped as soon as possible by Ukraine's surrender. Ukrainian army is long gone, at this point it's just untrained civilians, drafted by force and thrown into "meatgrinder".

RT Fantasy News!
 

david starling

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No. They weren't about attacking the facility itself. That would have been an overt act of war. It did bring the facility to our attention, though, and makes it look possibly (accidentally) culpable for the fires. The investigation into what caused them is still ongoing.

China leaked weaponized Covid-19 from the Wuhan lab to damage the U.S. economy, as a response to Trump's belligerent "trade war". That's what knocked Trump out of office, since the economy was his main selling point. It's not the benevolent dictatorship it's being made out to be by enemies of the U.S., and loss of civilian lives means little or nothing to the Chinese rulership.

CCP satellites perfectly positioned over Maui at the time of the fires -

 

Cap

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CCP satellites perfectly positioned over Maui at the time of the fires -

If China is really involved that probably makes US administration an accomplice (no sirens, no alarms etc.)
By 2018 approved WEF plan Maui was designated to become first smart city/island in the world by 2030.

Maui and the WEF – There is No Such Thing As a Coincidence​


https://expose-news.com/2023/08/15/maui-and-the-wef-there-is-no-such-thing-as-a-coincidence/
 

david starling

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If China is really involved that probably makes US administration an accomplice (no sirens, no alarms etc.)
By 2018 approved WEF plan Maui was designated to become first smart city/island in the world by 2030.

Maui and the WEF – There is No Such Thing As a Coincidence​


https://expose-news.com/2023/08/15/maui-and-the-wef-there-is-no-such-thing-as-a-coincidence/

It looks like the implication of the article is, that the "Deep State" in the U.S. was an accomplice to China's attack. So, that would mean that the WHO and the WEF have garnered the support of the MIC in the U.S., along with the CCP. That's a formidable combination!

It means China wasn't attacking the U.S. military, it was serving the interests of the WEF with the cooperation of the U.S. military. You've supplied a plausible motive.

But, I was still correct in surmising that China was the most likely suspect as to the attack itself. It's way ahead of the U.S. in DEW technology.
 

Cap

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It looks like the implication of the article is, that the "Deep State" in the U.S. was an accomplice to China's attack. So, that would mean that the WHO and the WEF have garnered the support of the MIC in the U.S., along with the CCP. That's a formidable combination!

It means China wasn't attacking the U.S. military, it was serving the interests of the WEF with the cooperation of the U.S. military. You've supplied a plausible motive.

But, I was still correct in surmising that China was the most likely suspect as to the attack itself. It's way ahead of the U.S. in DEW technology.
Well, relationship between China and US is very cozy at the moment.
If you listen to Rand Paul speech in the US Congress posted by JA, he reveals that all those billions given to Ukraine are actually borrowed from China. So, it is China who is financing West's war effort against Russia.
 

david starling

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Well, relationship between China and US is very cozy at the moment.
If you listen to Rand Paul speech in the US Congress posted by JA, he reveals that all those billions given to Ukraine are actually borrowed from China. So, it is China who is financing West's war effort against Russia.

Or, from my viewpoint, countering Russia's war effort against a Sovereign nation.

ALL of the G20 nations are against the sort of thing Russia is doing in Ukraine, even Russia itself, if the Russian signature on the Agreement means anything!
 

Cap

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Or, from my viewpoint, countering Russia's war effort against a Sovereign nation.

ALL of the G20 nations are against the sort of thing Russia is doing in Ukraine, even Russia itself, if the Russian signature on the Agreement means anything!
What you people in US don't understand, in Europe, ethnicity is more important than nationality.
Russia had to do something to protect ethnic Russians, eventually.
If tomorrow Serbian government take some action to protect Serbs in Kosovo, MSM will probably start campaign about "evil Serbia aggression". But in reality, Serbian people are being killed in Kosovo almost on daily basis and Serbian government will eventually do something.
This is not distinctive for Russia and Serbia only. Every government in Europe considers people of their ethnicity who are living in different country as "their people".
For example, Hungarian government gives large sums of money to help Hungarians who live in neighboring countries in various ways because they consider all Hungarians as their people, it doesn't matter if they live in Serbia, Romania, Slovakia etc.
 
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david starling

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Cap, Serbia was a Sovereign nation having a civil war against separatists. The U.S. had no right to intervene on behalf of the separatists, and Russia has no right to be doing that in Ukraine.
 

Cap

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Cap, Serbia was a Sovereign nation having a civil war against separatists. The U.S. had no right to intervene on behalf of the separatists, and Russia has no right to be doing that in Ukraine.
Yeah, but Russian government helping ethnic Russians is perfectly natural.
Western governments helping/causing trouble in Kosovo and Ukraine is purely about geopolitical interests.
Most people in US don't even know where Ukraine is located. It is totally silly to waste money on Ukraine instead of solving domestic problems.
 

JUPITERASC

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This fire is operating like a tornado
where there's one unaffected house amongst other houses totally destroyed.
We've been shown underground tunnels by multiple content creators.
I don't think it's too far fetched to think it came from underground via the tunnels, pipes,
or grates
as demonstrated by the charring from that one underground grate area shown.

That could explain some of the randomness of what got burned and what didn't.
Otherwise, we have to assume certain buildings were unnatually targeted.
Pick your poison.
From what I remember, you had no fire suppression from the fire department
because they were elsewhere, so what we see does not make any other sense.
How are there piles of unburned wood piles without any charing outside of buildings that burned.

There’s no way that a right-thinking person can’t see that something nefarious went on in Maui.
The buildings and cars that are burned, burned from the inside out, which is how microwaves work.
If that’s from a brush fire or forest fire, you should be able to follow the line of the fire
and the outside of the buildings should be burned.

However, the opposite is true.
It appears random and the buildings are burned from the inside out.
This was not natural. This was done on purpose.

We can give hundreds of billions to Ukraine and Israel
but we can’t help our own people in Ohio and Maui
This is just wrong.

The Mystery of Emerald Plaza Burned Buildings in Lahaina :)



9/11 there were billions of pieces of paper flying through the air
but "..burned.." cars
smoldering melted metal beams
and no buildings left, no bodies to be found.
Oh. And the perfectly preserved passport of the guy who did it.



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JUPITERASC

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Technological change and its consequences :)
are all around us:

generative AI
climate change
genome editing
renewable energy
and the
resurfacing threat of nuclear conflict.

At this event Holberg Laureate Sheila Jasanoff
will share her thoughts on this new era of globalism
in conversation with Prof. Achille Mbembe and Prof. Zeblon Vilakazi.
This event is part of The South Africa Conversations 2023

co-hosted by the Holberg Prize and the Innovation Foundation for Democracy.

 

JUPITERASC

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Garbage is huge problems to everybody.
The technogy is not new but China makes improvement to be more effective
well done china

So this is amazing technology

China Built the WORLD'S largest waste to energy Plant in Shanghai :)

capable of processing over 3 million tons of waste annually
and generating 1.5 billion kWh of electricity, without the use of coal.



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