The Connection Between Astrology and Religion
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FASCINATING VIDEO. WOW.
Right this moment, Pluto is transiting that very portion of Capricorn, where the Sun is during the 21st through the 25th.
I have the Moon @ 3Cap54, and have always been interested in the fact that the Sun is conjunct my Moon every Christmas. I know that is a very sacred time.
It is amazing to me how many astrologers here seem to have their Moons or mars or something else in early Capricorn. Maybe Pluto is driving us all here.
Right this moment, Pluto is transiting that very portion of Capricorn, where the Sun is during the 21st through the 25th.
I have the Moon @ 3Cap54, and have always been interested in the fact that the Sun is conjunct my Moon every Christmas. I know that is a very sacred time.
It is amazing to me how many astrologers here seem to have their Moons or mars or something else in early Capricorn. Maybe Pluto is driving us all here.
Oh, this garbage, seems to be just the clips from that "Zeitgeist" video that was circulating last year-ish.
Some of it seems like valid-ish arguments, but most of it just absolutely ridiculous.
I hope you kids all know that early Christian leaders celebrated religious holidays at the same time as Pagan ones so they could get more converts, pure and simple ( okay, not so pure, but you get my point.)
So the fact that these holidays coincide with pagan ones to this day DOES NOT make christianity a pagan religion. The original intent was to celebrate Christ's birth and Resurrection.
Sorry if it seemed like I reacted too violently, It's a fairly touchy subject and that Zeitgeist movie fooled so many of my friends with it's creepy music and general BS, but that's my 2 cents.
Some of it seems like valid-ish arguments, but most of it just absolutely ridiculous.
I hope you kids all know that early Christian leaders celebrated religious holidays at the same time as Pagan ones so they could get more converts, pure and simple ( okay, not so pure, but you get my point.)
So the fact that these holidays coincide with pagan ones to this day DOES NOT make christianity a pagan religion. The original intent was to celebrate Christ's birth and Resurrection.
Sorry if it seemed like I reacted too violently, It's a fairly touchy subject and that Zeitgeist movie fooled so many of my friends with it's creepy music and general BS, but that's my 2 cents.
AquaScorpio
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Alot of it does make sense tho...just the fact that all religions seem to be based on the stars. Not so far-fetched to me. My friend sent the video to his world religions teacher and he gave him a bunch of extra credit points so that says something right there.
smilingsteph
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That was very interesting and well thought out.
The parallels are there, you believe in God, the Bible, then you may be believing in Pagan beliefs as well. But dare the hard-core Christians to believe this and to even entertain the idea, no way!
I am a Christian and yes to me, proof is here. It is faith that binds me to my beliefs, and if one were to watch this and become offended then their faith is not as strong as they thought. I think it takes one with a very open mind to watch this and not react in the way one could.
Again I will say it over and over,
If God created the heavens and earth then why cant we study them.
My mother in law saw my astrology library and was sort of shocked. I said the line I use all of the time above to her, and she looked perplexed! She said "as long as you are not using it to predict things, then it is okay" mmm either she does not want to admit that her daughter in law is practicing something she is against or I made a very good arguement!
I dont get it and I never will....
The parallels are there, you believe in God, the Bible, then you may be believing in Pagan beliefs as well. But dare the hard-core Christians to believe this and to even entertain the idea, no way!
I am a Christian and yes to me, proof is here. It is faith that binds me to my beliefs, and if one were to watch this and become offended then their faith is not as strong as they thought. I think it takes one with a very open mind to watch this and not react in the way one could.
Again I will say it over and over,
If God created the heavens and earth then why cant we study them.
My mother in law saw my astrology library and was sort of shocked. I said the line I use all of the time above to her, and she looked perplexed! She said "as long as you are not using it to predict things, then it is okay" mmm either she does not want to admit that her daughter in law is practicing something she is against or I made a very good arguement!
I dont get it and I never will....
Nexus7
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I think it is Timothy Freke (look him up on Wiki): he co-authored an ineresting book with Peter Gandy about the parallels between the story of Jesus and of other pagan gods, who all had virgins births, were born on Christmas Day, etc.
I don't know - he makes so many things accessible. At the same time, my feeling is that somehow, it all gets a bit too simplified, in a way creating something which potentially could end up being as black-and-white and over polarised as the fundies he deplores.
I don't know - he makes so many things accessible. At the same time, my feeling is that somehow, it all gets a bit too simplified, in a way creating something which potentially could end up being as black-and-white and over polarised as the fundies he deplores.
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AquaScorpio
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I would like to see the source for the fact that early Christian leaders tried to convert more to the religion by celebrating the holidays of Pagans. That just doesn't seem very plausible to me but then again what do I know.
smilingsteph
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Yeah,
I dont think that Christians used Pagan traditions to bring in more to the church.
In fact I do remember learning in school the many revoluationary wars the Christians and the Pagans had. I took a few years of German and I remember my teacher would talk very briefly about wars between the two and how bloody they became.
I dont think that Christians used Pagan traditions to bring in more to the church.
In fact I do remember learning in school the many revoluationary wars the Christians and the Pagans had. I took a few years of German and I remember my teacher would talk very briefly about wars between the two and how bloody they became.
JUPITERASC
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Katydidit
(Can't see video anymore - going on posts.)
Great vintage graphic, JupAsc - right to the point of how silly it all is.
All of us, all ancient all of us, started by studying the patterns we found around us. Once we found a cycle our 'leaders' found a way to tell us how to move forward within that cycle - all based on guilt, submission, and hope.
I for one applaud the latter.
Great vintage graphic, JupAsc - right to the point of how silly it all is.
All of us, all ancient all of us, started by studying the patterns we found around us. Once we found a cycle our 'leaders' found a way to tell us how to move forward within that cycle - all based on guilt, submission, and hope.
I for one applaud the latter.
JUPITERASC
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Katydidit
One is built on ice and the other on fire?
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JUPITERASC
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waybread
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AquaScorpio, there are references from authors of ancient Greece and Rome in the book Nexus cites: The Jesus Mysteries. See also Tom Harpur, The Pagan Christ. The grand-daddy of these sorts of books was James Frazier, The Golden Bough. Their bibliographies will guide you to the original classical sources.
The writings of the early church fathers indicate that they were well aware that Christianity had pagan as well as Jewish roots, but they explained them away to the new Christians by stating that the devil had devised them to lead the faithful astray. Note also how many early saints had the names of pagan deities. Brigid was a Celtic goddess before she became a patron saint of Ireland.
Classical studies scholars have also shown that Jesus couldn't have been born on Christmas day. The Romans conducted their censuses in the summer. Christmas eve is off from the winter solstice by about 3 days because it was hard for people without accurate or consistent calendars to pinpoint the soilstice exactly; but by 3 days after the solstice, one could see that the daylight lasted a few minutes longer and that the sun had moved slightly north.
Obviously the pagan trappings of yule logs, mistletoe, Christmas trees, &c are with us to this day.
Do Christian churches want the faithful to know this? Not likely.
Today we call planets by the names of gods that come down through times when people believed in them.
My personal belief is that Jesus was a real person, but a reformer who preached a radical code of ethics-- that hardly anyone can live by. The miracles have much older pagan antecedants. The Virgin birth, for example, sounds a lot like the god Zeus/Jupiter mating with human women who gave birth to the founder of various ethnic groups. The death and resurrection is precisely the agricultural ritual of many societies. Jesus, after all, was a god whose body was bread and blood was wine.
The writings of the early church fathers indicate that they were well aware that Christianity had pagan as well as Jewish roots, but they explained them away to the new Christians by stating that the devil had devised them to lead the faithful astray. Note also how many early saints had the names of pagan deities. Brigid was a Celtic goddess before she became a patron saint of Ireland.
Classical studies scholars have also shown that Jesus couldn't have been born on Christmas day. The Romans conducted their censuses in the summer. Christmas eve is off from the winter solstice by about 3 days because it was hard for people without accurate or consistent calendars to pinpoint the soilstice exactly; but by 3 days after the solstice, one could see that the daylight lasted a few minutes longer and that the sun had moved slightly north.
Obviously the pagan trappings of yule logs, mistletoe, Christmas trees, &c are with us to this day.
Do Christian churches want the faithful to know this? Not likely.
Today we call planets by the names of gods that come down through times when people believed in them.
My personal belief is that Jesus was a real person, but a reformer who preached a radical code of ethics-- that hardly anyone can live by. The miracles have much older pagan antecedants. The Virgin birth, for example, sounds a lot like the god Zeus/Jupiter mating with human women who gave birth to the founder of various ethnic groups. The death and resurrection is precisely the agricultural ritual of many societies. Jesus, after all, was a god whose body was bread and blood was wine.
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Katydidit
Only in parables, or modern-day symbolism.
His body was bread, from the earth, from seed. His blood was from a more ethereal root -- ancestral roots, seed.
All IMHO
Gododdin Votadini
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there is no connection between Astrology and religion. Religion is a sick, twisted game. Astrology is the study of the correlation between the movement of the heavens with life on Earth.
waybread
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Actually several major Christian denominations believe in transubstantiation: the doctrine that wine and bread literally become the blood and body of Jesus.
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Katydidit
There's a word not heard in a long time. That word was magical for me in Catholic gradeschool, and certainly still has that potential for many. It's just that as I grew older my preferences turned to something a bit more universal. Maybe more the path to perceiving God rather than just one human son.
Astrology definitely helped me to expand my understanding of a greater humanity, a greater God. No magic there - expanded perception. As for the bread and wine, I defer to the first of the taglines in your kindred signature. I most definitely believe in the magic of "if you truly, truly, believe something to be true... "
Practicing that along with the Golden Rule would certainly please all of the enlightened who have led us to this place.