Indeed, time is very unreliable when it comes to natal charts.
Quite
Nowadays I prefer Ptolemy's ''Animodar'' to Thrasyllus, but
the principle is the same, birth can occur only
under a certain configuration of the heavens.
so then I'm posting a neat illustration of the ANIMODAR METHOD
extrapolated from another thread on our forum
that you may appreciate
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Originally Posted by
Sugar
One last thing, chart rectification. How does this work? Could you show me?
Now that I have figured out the Animodar sure.
I'll use Professor Gumby's chart to keep it simple. That chart is a Preventional Chart. How do we know? Because the Moon is applying to the conjunction of the Sun having completed its opposition to the Sun. So we need to cast a Lunation Chart for the Full Moon prior to birth (we would cast a Lunation Chart for the New Moon if the chart would be Conjunctional).
We use the Light Above Horizon for Full Moon Lunation Charts (and that would include a Lunar Eclipse for this purpose). That is the Sun at 28° Taurus 07'.
Which Planet has the greatest Dignity in the Sun? Venus does. Venus is the Sign Ruler and Venus is the Earth Sect Triplicity Ruler.
Now, switch back to the Natal Chart and look at Venus. To which is Venus closer in Degrees, the Ascendant or the Midheaven? Obviously the Midheaven at 1° Virgo 31'.
Yes, there are 30° in Virgo, but at Latitude 39°N07' how many degrees actually cross over the Midheaven as the Ascendant crosses the Horizon?
Look at the Right Ascensions of the Midheaven. We want the full 30° of Virgo so we subtract the Right Ascension at 0° Libra from the Right Ascension at 0° Virgo.
180°00' = 0° Libra at 39°N07'
152°05' = 0° Virgo at 39°N07'
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179°60'
152°05'
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027°55'
Now, the Midheaven is at 01°Virgo31' so how much Right Ascension is that?
153°32' = 1°31' Virgo at 39°N07'
152°05' = 0°00' Virgo at 39°N07'
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001°27'
We need the Hourly Distance of Venus.
Venus is at 4° Cancer 39'. Her Right Ascension is 95°04 and her Oblique Ascension is 74°30.
The Ascensional Difference is the Right Ascension minus the Oblique Ascension:
AD[Venus] = 95°04' - 74°30'
AD[Venus] = 20°34'
Venus is out-of-Bounds in this chart with a Declination of 24°N54' so we add the Ascensional Difference to 90° giving us 110°34' for the Semi-Diurnal Arc (we would subtract if the Declination was Negative and we would reverse that for those living in the Southern Hemisphere).
The Temporal Hours will be the Semi-Diurnal Arc divided by 6:
TH[Venus] = 110°34 / 6 = 18°25'
Then to find the Hourly Distance, we divide the Meridian Distance by 18°25'
How far away is Venus from the Midheaven by Right Ascension? We just subtract the RA of Venus from the Right Ascension of the Midheaven (RAMC).
Meridian Distance = 153°32' - 95°04'
Meridian Distance = 58°28'
Now we divide the Meridian Distance by the Temporal Hours to get the Hourly Distance
HD[Venus] = 58°28' / 18°25'
HD[Venus]= 3°10'
The Hourly Distance tells you the number of Houses away from the Meridian (either the MC or the IC) that a Planet is and that is what the whole number represents, and the fractional part is how far away from the Cusp of the House that Venus is.
Each House is essentially 2 Diurnal Hours. Think of the chart as a clock where the Ascendant is 6:00 AM so then 3 Houses or 6 Hours (3 * 2 = 6) later it is 12:00 PM and that is the Midheaven and the 6 Hours later is the Descendant at 6:00 PM and then 6 Hours later is the Nadir/IC at 12:00 AM and then we've come full circle back to the Ascendant at 6:00 AM in a 24-Hour period.
We just have to set up a simple proportion or a ratio:
27°55' : 2 = 1°27' :
X
From our high school math, we know to cross-multiply and divide, and so we have:
2 * 1°27' / 27°55' =
X
It's easier to use decimal notation:
2 * 1.45 / 27.91666 =
X
2.9 / 27.91666 =
X
0.03582 =
X
So, um, what exactly is "0.03582" in Degrees?
It is less than 1°. That is what the big fat "0" means.
Let's multiply by 60 to convert to minutes:
60 * 0.03582 = 2.1492
That gives us 0°2.1492' of arc.
Multiply the 0.1492 * 60 = 8"
So there is a difference of 0°02'08"
Can we round that off? Sure, let's call it 0°02'
Now, there are 24 Hours in one day and 360° in the Zodiac Circle.
How many Degrees are in 1 Hour?
Simple, 360 / 24 = 15° and you might notice the longitudinal meridians around Earth are 0° 15° 30° etc and most of the Time Zones are based on those.
If there are 15° in 1 Hour, how many Degrees are in 1 Minute?
Simple, 15° in 60 Minutes or 1° every 4 Minutes.
And that is 30' every 2 Minutes or 15' every Minute/60 Seconds or 1' every 4 seconds.
So my birth time is off by about 8 or 9 seconds or so.
Now, if I was the Anal Retentive Astrologer, I would rip everything up, chuck it out the window and start with a whole new chart and post 30 "Read My Chart" threads about the new birth time.
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Sugar
Thanks for the help. I'll pay you back one day
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