The Ascendant

david starling

Well-known member
The houses deal with mundane affairs, passing circumstances, the ephemeral.

The signs have to do with thee essence, the inherent, the enduring.

The Asc and MC are house-related, thus passing.

It is the Sun which establishes and rules over the ecliptic. All other bodies orbit Sun. Sun is Center, the eternal Fire and Light.

Mostly agree, except that the zodiac is Earth-centered, with a transiting Sun. I see the ecliptic as "belonging" to the Earth itself. Objectively speaking, the Sun's transit is tracking Earth's orbit around the Sun, and the ecliptic is the plane of Earth's orbit, projected out into space.
The Ascendant is the point where the Sun's transiting orbit intersects the Eastern horizon, making it the point of Sunrise, in any given location.
 
Last edited:

greybeard

Well-known member
We practice a geocentric astrology..."earth-centered". It is our only possible perspective.

The last two sentences of my post explain why I view Sun as "ruling" the ecliptic. Everything orbits Sun; he is central. The ecliptic is literally his creation, the disc of dust spun out of his body.

The horizon is earth-centered. It is generated from, has its center at, the point on which you stand. The earth and the person born are both found at the center of the chart; they are one and the same.
 
Last edited:

david starling

Well-known member
Each planet has its own ecliptic, and the zodiac we use is in the Earth's ecliptical plane. It's an Earth/Sun relationship, with the transiting Sun from the Geocentric perspective, marking Earth's orbital path in the Heliocentric.
The Ascendant is where the Geocentric solar path intersects the Earth's horizon as viewed from any given location.
 
Last edited:

david starling

Well-known member
I'm pretty sure that in Traditionalistic astrology, the Ascendant is a fixed point, and the Earth isn't seen as orbiting or rotating. Personally, I hold the Signs in place and the Ascendant is moving relative to them.
 

david starling

Well-known member
The Ascendant transits a Sign in approximately 2 hours. That's one degree in about 2 minutes. In contrast, the next fastest major indicator, the Moon, transits at the rate of about 3 degrees in 5 hours.

[correction]: Asc transits one degree in about 4 minutes, not 2. That's about 15 degrees per hour.
 
Last edited:

greybeard

Well-known member
The Asc moves, on average, one degree in 4 minutes, not 2.

The mean motion of the Moon is around 13°12' per day, 33' per hour (about one lunar diameter).
 
Last edited:

david starling

Well-known member
The word "horoscope", which means "watcher of the hour", specifically refers to the Asc, although it has become far more generalized.
Using that terminology, the Moon is "watcher" of the month, and the Sun is "watcher" of the year.
 
Last edited:

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
The word "horoscope",
which means "watcher of the hour",
specifically refers to the Asc, although
it has become far more generalized.
Hōroskopos literally meanshour-marker” aka ascendant/first house :smile:

Horoscopic astrology is a specific advanced astrology
developed Mediterranean region late Hellenistic period 1st/2nd century BCE.
Horoscopic astrology is simply a type of astrology
whereas Hellenistic astrology is a tradition of astrology.


Technically Hellenistic astrology was first tradition of horoscopic astrology
There have been later traditions of horoscopic astrology over past 2,000 years.
Horoscopic astrology distinguished from other forms of astrology
by use of the ascendant/other points derived from ascendant.
http://horoscopicastrologyblog.com/2008/11/14/what-is-horoscopic-astrology/

horoskopos-large.jpg

Originally Greek hōroskopos, from which “horoscope” and “horoscopic” are derived :smile:
was simply a technical term used for “ascendant” in an astrological chart.
 
Top