t-Saturn, natal squares and medical results

[Francesca]

For what it's worth

I have Jupiter in Scorpio alomost on top of a degree associated with glandular abnormality. It is sq. Sat/pluto in Leo. I have what's called a "cold nodule" or dead part of my thyroid resulting from an infection in my late teens. I have also recently developed diabetes.

Let's see, fixed signs, adolescence, frequently murderous hatred of the patriarchy ........ seems to agree with all your posts.

 

[Elianah]

That's Great News!

Hey Frisiangal!

I celebrate that it sounds like you will get a lower dosage of Synthroid (or its equivalent)! So how did the doctor try to explain away why you had more "normal" numbers?

Elianah

 

[Frisiangal]

Re: That's Great News!

Hey Frisiangal!

So how did the doctor try to explain away why you had more "normal" numbers?

Elianah

With an "Umm" and aan "aah" over the telephone. My previous blood test had already shown that I was 'responding' to the treatment, so I didn't have to go for a personal appointment for the results of the latest one. The specialist phoned the results, simply explained their nature and said that further treatment could be handled by family physician!
I had tried to explain last year that 'the lump in my throat' always and only occured during emotional periods 'when I had to remain strong', and was due to the concern and tension regarding my husband's thyroid problems which had required hospitalisation for radio-active treatment. As soon as that was over, the strain and concern was obviously over too.
Unfortunately, Elianah, it's one of those beliefs that medical science does not yet concern itself with but in which I have great faith; i.e. physical complaints are psychosomatic in origin. Would my thyroid count have gone down anyway had I not been on medication?
It's what I have always thought regarding the astrology of health. If you see and mention a predisposition of a physical complaint in the chart to the client and what they can do to avoid it, if they don't succumb to the physical complaint because of the change in life style, is that astrology at work or would the client never have suffered from the complaint anyway ?

F.

 

[Elianah]

Hi Frisiangal,

I understand your point and agree with it, I just don't think psychosomatic is the proper term. I think what is happening is that as more people look at themselves in a holistic manner, we are learning that the body is a lot more sensitive than humans have ever given it credit for in the past. The body responds to all types of environmental pressures (internal and external) that we may be taking in unconsciously and then manifesting a dis-ease to get us to pay attention and address the issue.

Many Westerners, I think, have the tendency to see the body as a thing that can be abused and misused to their heart's content and when the body sends up a warning flag that something is going wrong, they feel their body has let them down instead of looking at the ways they have let down their body in the physical/emotional/mental/spiritual partnership. They do not see that their bodies are barometers and thermometers for what is happening in their world. The body reacts to sudden drops or increases in overall pressure within the partnership by creating dis-ease to say "we all have to work together to resolve the root issue and then I can let go of the red flag." This is what ultimately creates miracle cures—our co-creative ability to address what is going on in our lives at all levels and releasing those root issues that no longer serve us, are not ours and are not for our highest and greatest good.

Astrology can help a person determine what those root issues may be at a very general level and then the client can fill in specifics that make sense based on their personal history. Astrology and medicine can work hand-in-hand to help the physical/emotional/mental/spiritual partnership address the symptoms and the possible root causes. The client must be willing then to fully address the physical/emotional/mental/spiritual partnership issues rather than having medicine or the astrolger do the work for them.

We can heal ourselves if we are willing to do what is necessary to address the physical/emotional/mental/spiritual partnership issues within our lives.

Elianah

 

[Empath]

Fascinating thread -- I can really empathize. With a fixed grand cross, Chiron on the ascendent in Aquarius, etc., there's been a series of difficult physical manifestations. It all seemed to begin when Neptune crossed my ascendent/Chiron and Saturn hit the IC in 2001 (eczema on the feet and hands). Things progressed as my transits progressed -- eczema morphed to psoriasis, fingernails, toenails and hair fell out, weight gain, all the way to a lung disorder that was initially diagnosed as cancer (now thought to be sarcoidosis) -- and enlarged thyroid --
The whole thing peaked in January of this year, just as Chiron made its exact return!

I had gone the homeopathic route for the skin issues, and my derm and I found it interesting (and alarming) that, as my skin symptoms subsided, my lungs got messed up. He told me that his approach of using homepathy was akin to peeling an onion, and that the lung issues could be the healing crisis that occurs when the core issue (or layer) is finally exposed.

Indeed I shed skin, hair, phlegm, vanity, guilt, regret, blame, remorse...

I spent a lot of time processing here on the forum, as I find that astrology provides an eloquent and concise lexicon for the issues I have to deal with.

This process has inspired many revelations, and as I perceive more, my symptoms subside.

Our thoughts and feelings do indeed create ease and dis-ease in the body.

I found two books that were helpful and empowering: Path of Enlightenment by Barbara Marciniak, and Ask and it is Given by Esther Hicks. Lots of Reiki, energy work, massage therapy, affirmations and love were my meds.

Throughout it all, I never missed a day of work... I'm a fixed sign poster child!

Sorry for any typos... sneaking this in at work... had to respond.

 

[Frisiangal]

Elianah: Yes; we do think in the same way, the holistic approach, and only use different words to describe the effect. If spirit, mind and soul are out of synch., the body will produce the physical compaint.

Empath: It is good to read that you are peeling your onion and getting to the core of things. From what you described of your physical complaints, they all seem to stem from the same root....afflicted moon in Taurus, ruler 6th house, whilst Venus in Libra makes only the semi-square (associated with physical complaints) to Saturn (skin and psoriasis). Would you say that your physical problems are a result of holding on to feelings it would have been better to release? I notice that you also have Black Moon Lilith (often connected to physical complaints) conjunct Chiron attached to the fixed grand cross. Hopefully you have reached the stage when you no longer care what other people think/do not think about you ?

I noticed that Empath, Elianah and I all have fixed Suns and harsh aspects between Mercury-Pluto, as well as a strong 9th house emphasis. Could this make all of us pretty hard-headed in our individual ways and we are therefore being FORCED to eliminate certain ideas we have carried within us for so long in order to regenerate new ones that pertain to forming our own beliefs/opinions that encourage our personal growth, rather than living through others' opinions/beliefs of us that stilt it ?

F.

 

[Empath]

Hopefully you have reached the stage when you no longer care what other people think/do not think about you ?

Frisiangal, you are spot-on! While I think have generally been agnostic to other people's opinions, the reality is that I sometimes suppress my feelings to avoid confrontation, especially in the workplace. The very unusual "dare to be different" me sometimes has shouting matches with the "why can't I be like everyone else? waaa" me.

Thank you so very much for the Saturn-Venus connection. This all began with Saturn and Neptune transits, and your perception adds a layer of depth to the scenario.

Because the Saturn-Venus affliction expressed itself in such a first-house manner, I've learned how to not care about public opinion in a most direct fashion. This was a major issue that unearthed as part of the layer-peeling process; I've released a lot of this stuff, but am very aware that this is an ongoing process. Fixed sign habits run deep!

I noticed that Empath, Elianah and I all have fixed Suns and harsh aspects between Mercury-Pluto, as well as a strong 9th house emphasis. Could this make all of us pretty hard-headed in our individual ways and we are therefore being FORCED to eliminate certain ideas we have carried within us for so long in order to regenerate new ones that pertain to forming our own beliefs/opinions that encourage our personal growth, rather than living through others' opinions/beliefs of us that stilt it ?

Very perceptive!

Personally, I must add that a Scorpio 9th house gives a true occult education in that one learns or is naturally gifted to see the hidden motivations, backstory, "genetic structure" of a learning path. Couple this (and all the other stuff) with a strong Aquarian first house, and you may understand what I mean when I say that my afflictions are connected to the political mess in the USA. I sensed the stolen election in 2000, was a 9-11 skeptic around 11 am on 9-11 (when the second tower fell), and my symptoms reached crisis in Nov 2004 until Feb 2005, when I began the homeopathic treatments. It is not my intention to go off-topic, but rather to expand Frisiangal's above interpretation to say that 9th house issues may be rooted in larger political, philosophic, or spiritual realms and expressed in the body or inter-personal relationships.

 

[Lapis]

Thanks everyone for some truly great reading! It's been a pleasure.

Because of my natal Chiron/Sun conjunction physical body pain and problems have been a constant nearly life-long issue for me. I remember reading a few years ago about the "Mind/Body Connection" that's returned to much of humanities awareness because of the 1977 Chiron discovery. That finally allopathic medicine in general is being forced to slow down it's horrific distortions that even the different parts in our bodies are disconnected from all the other parts! Isn't that the most outrageous and frustrating load of BS?

The other half of this 4-some is the "Emotions/Spirit" half. So it's more like.....Mind/Body & Emotions/Spirit Connection. And to go a bit farther with this whole concept, we're dealing with all of our 'bodies', not just the physical, as has been so beautifully stated already. Plus so many are already experiencing their (our, my) deeper connections to The Whole or the Larger Group. Sounding rather Aquarian Ageish already isn't it? And because of this we're feeling, manifesting, and having to heal/transform not only our personal multi-layered 'stuff', but also larger multi-layered Group 'stuff', Planetary 'stuff' and so on.

As we're re-learning that all of our physical body parts are really connected to each other, (what a concept!!!) we're also learning that we are also connected to each other, and to the Whole Group, and the Earth, and on and on........

Now I know I didn't say anything that all of you haven't known for a long time already. I'm just suggesting that we have and still are living these truths ourselves right down in our many layered bodies. So, take two cookies and call me in the morning!!!