Stellium in capricorn in 10th house

Neptun300

Member
Hi...
I was wondering if someone could help me in interpretation of my stellium in capricorn in 10th house?
I am having some troubles with this, because astrologers keep telling my completly opposite opinions on it. But, it's the part of my chart i am the most interested in...
So, here's the situation:
saturn- capricorn 0 20'
uranus- capricorn 9 31'
neptune- capricorn 12 53'

thanks in advance
my complete chart for other info could be found here:

http://www.astro.com/tmpd/cyptfiledIIkxR-u1275648402/astro_w2gw_02_filip_hp.38511.1636.gif
 

Neptun300

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I i apologize for expiring time.
Here's the my chart here...
And Ume, can you please tell me some more close information about it? I'm asking this because it's really imoprtant to me. Thank you one more time :)
 

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Arian Maverick

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I have this same configuration in my natal chart! I was born a few weeks after you...

Your mileage may vary, but I interpret this influence as indicating a strong desire to restructure society--to knock it down (like the fall of the Berlin Wall, which occurred during this period) and rebuild. The Saturn/Neptune conjunction in Capricorn indicates "practical idealism," and it is located near the highest point in our respective natal charts. We have high aspirations to "make something of ourselves," but this ambition is tempered by social responsibility. In other words, we're not satisfied merely to accumulate wealth. We recognize how the relentless drive for profit has led to human and environmental exploitation; we recognize that this pattern is unsustainable.

Capricorn is a practical, no-nonsense earth sign. We will not bury our heads beneath the sand and deny the repercussions of our parents' actions--and yes, some of our own, as well. As we enter adulthood, we hopefully will navigate through these dire straits. We will discover and implement practical solutions to the ills which plague society. Pluto's transit through Capricorn will assist us greatly in this matter.

Arian Maverick
 

Neptun300

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Thank you Ar(y)an :) for your wonderful interpretation. I really "found" myself in it. Especially when it comes to crushing down the system and society and building up a more stable- new kind of world. I only havn't been able to figure out what exactly did you mean under the term "practical idealism"? I'm affraid these two terms are quite opposite and that is a bit impossible to achieve any kind of "nexus" between it... Or maybe i'm wrong?
basically, the questions of pride, glory, but also maybe some arrogance is dominating through my natal chart? even though my planets are quite opposite to this stellium? (sun, mercure and venus in pisces, mars in gemini etc) ?
thanks for your kind answer, i really appreciate it!
 

Arian Maverick

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I only havn't been able to figure out what exactly did you mean under the term "practical idealism"? I'm affraid these two terms are quite opposite and that is a bit impossible to achieve any kind of "nexus" between it... Or maybe i'm wrong?

Well, the Saturn-Neptune conjunction itself is a paradox, but I'll try to explain what I mean by the phrase "practical idealism."

Idealism often is used to describe individuals who "see the world through rose-colored glasses." It is contrasted to realism, which describes individuals who see society as it is and not as it should be. "Practical idealism," as I conceive it, treads the middle ground. It describes the ability to hold a positive image for the future and to believe this image is possible to manifest. These individuals recognize that present society does not reflect their highest visions, but they do not walk away muttering darkly to themselves, as traditional realists may do. They believe they can change the world, but only through consistent and collective effort.

Here's a great article, which describes the "paradox" of the Saturn-Neptune aspect: The Desert of the Real: The Saturn-Neptune Gestalt.

Arian Maverick
 
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perhaps on a different tack your Uranus conj MC suggests you enjoy doing something unusual different and have many career work changes, hate routine. To reinforce this idea Uranus is square sun in 12th house at cricital degrees (29') this suggests you are more Aquarian in traits and flavour, very humanitarian, altustic and impatient and impulsive (also Aries traits to) but Sun hard aspect Uranus wants to 'do' something unusual that involves the pride and ego (sun) but behind the scenes due to 12th house placement.

Saturn conj Neptune is also suggestive of having your dreams, fantasies and ideals crushed in childhood by father, parent and/or authority figures. A fear of the unknown, apprehensive about structure, depressive on occasions to. Although Uranus/neptune are 'generational' saturn is more personal and conj Uranus suggests structure and hard work (saturn) V Freedom, independence (uranus) and Saturn will always win out and reign in uranus. It's about sudden change, disruptions and keeping structure without throwing the baby out with the bathwater--

Neptune is well aspected, but these two (Urn & Nep) square Ascendant to

Uranus in Square Ascendant You're anything but a stick-in-the-mud. You march to the beat of a different drummer and you're something of a rebel. You crave excitement and when life gets too predictable (i.e., boring) you know how to stir things up again. You'll often speak your mind regardless of the effect pro or con, that it has on other people. As a result, you attract other strong personalities who can handle your sometimes volatile personality and not be offended.
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/aspectsuranus.htm

Neptune in Square to Ascendant
You can be whatever you can imagine yourself to be, so, make sure you only imagine the best! You may have some inner doubts about yourself that make it difficult for others to pick up a strong impression of whom you really are. Until you cultivate a firmer picture of whom you really want to be, other people will continue to find it hard to figure out the real you. This can be a plus if you're an actor or a spy. It comes in handy if you ever need to blend into the background, too. Your sensitive side can be like a sponge that soaks up all the woes of the world and troubled souls are often attracted to your aura. It's a fine thing to want to help, but you must learn to draw some boundaries in this regard, because you can be very vulnerable to getting sucked into other people's realities.

Your chart lacks the element of fire or planets in fire houses to compensate, only the Asc is fire. So you may come accross and independent, assertive, direct and to the point, but it's NOT what's going on underneath.

here are some links if you want to research your 12th house placements
12th house planets/aspects
http://www.dkfoundation.co.uk/dkfoundation/dkfArtTwelfthHouse.htm
http://www.gotohoroscope.com/houses-in-chart-12th.html
http://www.dkfoundation.co.uk/dkfoun...rmaHouse12.htm
http://www.astrology-numerology.com/inhouses-sun.html#Twelfth

http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_dgtwehouse_e.htm
http://12th.tribe.net/thread/c160721f-6268-42d8-bf31-897977f99188
last one is moon in 12th --
Research threads on AW
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3173&highlight=12th+house
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19818&highlight=12th+house
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19818&highlight=12th+house
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18312&highlight=12th+house
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18312&highlight=12th+house
 
T pluto is conj MC now and Uranus
Pluto conjunct Uranus
You may become fiercely independent and rebellious, defying rules and conventions, especially as regard psychological mores and taboos. You could find yourself gaining insights into everything secret and psychological, breaking accepted rules.
http://www.horoscopeswithin.com/pluto_transit.php

T Pluto has been squaring your sun for a while now, but conj uranus will 'set off' Uranus aspects and this brings your sun back into highlight again unfortunately.

Very testing time with Pluto, my father died, my marriage broke down, I had to go back to work. So how have you been handling things?
 

Neptun300

Member
Astrologer50, thank you for your kind answer! i found myself in every word you wrote... however, can i ask you a few more questions? my aries asc cannot resist asking few more things to completly clear the situation :) :)
you said that 29 degrees pisces was a critical one. why you think so? because it's the last degree of zodiac or there are some more reasons?
the thing about aquarian aspect... i'm not at all humanitarian, but i am strongly rebellious, but also (unfortunately) impulsive etc. this has to do with my asc in aries.
what does this stellium mean in 10th house? this is the house of career and different opportunities, so i'm intrested if this house is well-places, since the question of career IS really important to me. i understand that i will change jobs regulary, but i wanted to know wheather i have any chance of making good career with these planets?
i am currently reading the links you gave me with 12th house. cheers for that :)

as for your recent problems- i am very very sorry to hear that :( testing time with pluto, definetly... :(
i didn't have any radical problems- just the usual ones. somehow, when it comes to hard aspects and times i manage to keep myself calm and reserved from the world... being locked down into my own visions and dreams, and then i come back when the worst moment passes...
 
Astrologer50, thank you for your kind answer! i found myself in every word you wrote... however, can i ask you a few more questions? my aries asc cannot resist asking few more things to completly clear the situation :) :)
you said that 29 degrees pisces was a critical one. why you think so? because it's the last degree of zodiac or there are some more reasons?
the thing about aquarian aspect... i'm not at all humanitarian, but i am strongly rebellious, but also (unfortunately) impulsive etc. this has to do with my asc in aries.
what does this stellium mean in 10th house? this is the house of career and different opportunities, so i'm intrested if this house is well-places, since the question of career IS really important to me. i understand that i will change jobs regulary, but i wanted to know wheather i have any chance of making good career with these planets?
i am currently reading the links you gave me with 12th house. cheers for that :)

as for your recent problems- i am very very sorry to hear that :( testing time with pluto, definetly... :( don't worry was 1997
i didn't have any radical problems- just the usual ones. somehow, when it comes to hard aspects and times i manage to keep myself calm and reserved from the world... being locked down into my own visions and dreams, and then i come back when the worst moment passes...

your chart has since disappeared unfortunately, you need to learn how to upload as attachement from hard drive or use a free hosting site like imageshack or photobucket.

Firstly, for a proper evaluation you should consider posting your chart with progressions and transits on same wheel found in extended chart selection. Reduce the ratio of orbs to 80%, select smallest image size 63% on picture,then choose house system (my personal preference is for Equal house rather than the default of placidus), right mouse click and select 'save target pic as' and save to hard drive then upload here
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24043
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24042


"Many astrologers consider 0 and 29 degrees of any sign critical degrees as well. The 0 and 29 degrees are more crisis-oriented points, especially in predictive work.

If a natal planet is found at 29 degrees of any sign, also known as the Anaretic degree, there can be some real issues with decision-making in that part of the personality represented by the energies of the planet. The native may evaluate and re-evaluate situations before making a move one day, and the next day, jump into the action without listening to himself or herself! For example, if Mars is at 29 degrees, the native may devise many plans of actions, worry excessively about the possible actions and different routes to take, and then execute a spontaneous action that is contrary to the decision!"
http://www.cafeastrology.com/criticaldegrees.html


3planets in 10th house suggests an area of focus, but they are not personal planet, if I remember they were 12th house, hidden in cadent house, sometimes called the house of 'self undoing' isolation even. All depends on the planets themselves and their 'aspects' is to how they function. Remember planets are modified by sign, where they express is house and how are the aspects... So yes there is a focus on 10th but they are probably more 'challenging' than helpful :unsure:

What Astrology Can and Can Not Do
http://www.ofspirit.com/susanmiller1.htm
http://www.cafeastrology.com/articles/whatastrologycandoforyou.html
 

kangi

Member
Astrologer50, thank you for your kind answer! i found myself in every word you wrote... however, can i ask you a few more questions? my aries asc cannot resist asking few more things to completly clear the situation :) :)
you said that 29 degrees pisces was a critical one. why you think so? because it's the last degree of zodiac or there are some more reasons?
the thing about aquarian aspect... i'm not at all humanitarian, but i am strongly rebellious, but also (unfortunately) impulsive etc. this has to do with my asc in aries.
what does this stellium mean in 10th house? this is the house of career and different opportunities, so i'm intrested if this house is well-places, since the question of career IS really important to me. i understand that i will change jobs regulary, but i wanted to know wheather i have any chance of making good career with these planets?
i am currently reading the links you gave me with 12th house. cheers for that :)

as for your recent problems- i am very very sorry to hear that :( testing time with pluto, definetly... :(
i didn't have any radical problems- just the usual ones. somehow, when it comes to hard aspects and times i manage to keep myself calm and reserved from the world... being locked down into my own visions and dreams, and then i come back when the worst moment passes...

Actually it's your Pluto that makes you want to be sure of what you are trying to find out out. Pluto is what gets to the bottom of things. You will keep diffing until you are sure, before you make a decision. As for the 10th house, In Western Society it has been taught that the 10th house is your career house. But it literally is your public Image or what you are known for etc. So many assumes it only relates to career. Some people are only known by the public because of who they are married to etc. You could be known as a murderer to the public and that has nothing to do with career (well maybe a serial killer but you get the jist. Your money comes from your 2nd and 11th house. The 11th is also for your long term "gains". The second house is Ruled by Venus which is not just love or female. It is also literally money, possessions, things you value, earned income etc. Venus rules Taurus differently than it does Libra. Taurus is like the 5 senses. Taste, touch, beauty, nature, fruitful (which is why is relates to nature and the earth because is provides etc). Venus in Taurus is very sensual, it prefers quality over quantity. Venus in Libra is more asthetic on the surface but Libra deals more with legalities and laws etc. Libra is a very mental (air) sign.

What you really need to look at is the Ruler of each of your houses and then look to where it is placed. For example you say your first house is in Aries. Look to where Mars (Mars RULES Aries) is in your chart. The first house is always your first choice but not necessarily the best choice. Is it aspected good are bad etc.

It is also true what a previous response was about tearing down the old Structure to build a better foundation. Right now Saturn is in Capricorn and so is Pluto and Mars as I type this. Uranus just went into Taurus and will be there for around 8 years. The last time Uranus was in Taurus was in the 1930's, 84 years ago. Depression era that led up to World Wars etc. Banking systems changed after the Depression. The Federal Reserve Bank and The World bank was created etc. So many huge Systems went into effect and Infrastructure was huge in trying to get us out of the depression. The old structures now have to be totally redone in order for society to survive and flourish. Also the last time these types of planetary placements (Starting last year in 2017) in America was during the American Revolution and The Civil war. You can see people uprising all over the world fighting for freedom from Government control etc. Saturn does Rule BIG institution like Government, Authority and the Military etc. And right now Mars is conjunting Saturn. Something unusual will happen with Mars this year 2018 when it will go retrograde. So it will be in Saturn longer than it normally is in a Sign. So just when you think a decision has been made or is going to happen all of the sudden it doesn't a lot of start and stops.
Also the last time this happened, a year before Hitler was elected and Stalin ordered "The Great Purge". Apartheid was created in South Africa etc. I could go on and on...but I hope this helps you get the drift. Look for any Quincunx/Inconjucts that you have in your chart. It shows you where you can access something to help with a Bad placement etc. In your chart it is the symbol that looks like a picnic table from the side. Or if your chart has lines that are dotted or look like a string of the hyphen symbol, going between planets, Nodes or Asteroids...that is where you have the Quincunx/Inconjunt aspects.
 
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