Simple questions, too much importance

[Sanaqua]

Hello,

In the past i have been posting questions but from some time, no one has come up with any responses. This time again, i am not putting up a chart here. But i request the astrologers who have good experience and understanding to answer some of my general questions about this.

This is odd but may be it is because of my life trends in general or my natal chart in particular that whenever i ask questions related to relationships, i mostly get either confused/messed up or negative answers.

I just ran a chart about a best friend of mine (with whom i have been closest and know from more than 8 years now) and whom i love a lot. Even that we never had any serious fights or even fights in these 8 years, we have been on a rough patch from quite some months. At first, i felt his decreased attention and now from a month as if he has completely abandoned me. Even that i have tried to talk to him about it gently, angrily and with protest, it is that he completely ignore my feelings, the emotions which i am having and my words.

This is making me go crazy and extremely frustrated. I ran this chart and i took him as my 11th house. This is so confusing to find that we both are in each other's 7th houses.

I am venus in aqua in my 5th (his 7th), just separated from a trine with Mars and he is sun in aries in my 7th (his 9th), going to conjunct uranus in one degree.

Moon is in Taurus in 8th house. I should be so strong but currently i am feeling melancholy. Moreover, this is stupid to find Mars retro in libra in my first house.

My question is why we are in each other's 7th houses? When we don't even have contact? Does that mean we have gone strangers?

Please it is a request to the people who have been answering here with their knowledge and expertise, to guide me about this. This is just driving me mad. I just cant lose this friend of mine.

Anxious,
Sanaqua

 

[mdinaz]

A transits to your composite may answer your question also.

 

[Sanaqua]

I don't have his birth time, so no natal for him. Plus, this is a real bad time with my relationships. But i can't find anything in my prog or solar arcs or any other chart. That's unfortunate and confusing.

 

[mdinaz]

I don't do horary so someone else would have to answer to that. All I can do is look at your natal or the best composite you can come up with.

 

[Sanaqua]

Thanks mdinaz, I can PM you my natal. Is it okay?

 

[Zarathu]

My question is why we are in each other's 7th houses? When we don't even have contact? Does that mean we have gone strangers?

I know that the title of this section is called "Horary Questions on Relational Issues" but I don't think you understand the nature of horary.

Horary is centered around a Yes/no question. It has to be something deeply personal AND it has to be something that can be proved to have a yes/no answer, AND generally there is a time line of about 3-9 months for the answer to arrive.

See this FAQ: http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/faq.php?faq=horary#faq_horary_astrology_boards

As it says in the FAQ: "Horary works for verifiable questions, questions which are capable of being tested", that is, yes/no questions.

Your question this time is not a horary question. "Why" questions don't work very well in horary. If your other questions were also "why" questions, then this is "why" you haven't gotten satisfactory answers.

 

[Yuri]

Hello,

When we don't even have contact? Does that mean we have gone strangers?


Anxious,
Sanaqua

To answer this from the horary point of view, you need to see receptions betwwen 1th and 7th in the horaty chart. Not more. Not any aspects. No receptions - no relationship if even good aspects present.

Often there exist a situation the 1th ruler in the sign of 7th - she loves him. But the ruler of 7th has no receptions to the 1th ruler neither by sign nor exalt.tripl.,term, decanate. That's the reason can be - he doens't love you. That's all. See receptions between r.rul.1th-7th. I didn't find your data (chart - date, time, place, GMT), could might see and say. Yuri.

 

[Sanaqua]

I know that the title of this section is called "Horary Questions on Relational Issues" but I don't think you understand the nature of horary.

Horary is centered around a Yes/no question. It has to be something deeply personal AND it has to be something that can be proved to have a yes/no answer, AND generally there is a time line of about 3-9 months for the answer to arrive.

See this FAQ: http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/faq.php?faq=horary#faq_horary_astrology_boards

As it says in the FAQ: "Horary works for verifiable questions, questions which are capable of being tested", that is, yes/no questions.

Your question this time is not a horary question. "Why" questions don't work very well in horary. If your other questions were also "why" questions, then this is "why" you haven't gotten satisfactory answers.

Hi Zarathu,

I understand horary. My question for this chart is "will we be good friends again?". But i am too much confused seeing us in each other's 7th houses.

I didn't post the chart because for few last times, i didn't get replies though i needed advice very much. I totally understand that it is a free board and every one is busy + "another relationship question" (even though it is a best friendship + love).

I didn't want to give the impression that i was going to ask them for their lot of time. That's why preferred to ask about the position precisely.

Best,

Sanaqua

 

[Kaiousei no Senshi]

This is making me go crazy and extremely frustrated. I ran this chart and i took him as my 11th house. This is so confusing to find that we both are in each other's 7th houses.

Hi Sanaqua, this was your first mistake.

If you're asking the question "Will we be friends again" it is not a good idea to assign him to the house that signifies friends.

I am venus in aqua in my 5th (his 7th), just separated from a trine with Mars and he is sun in aries in my 7th (his 9th), going to conjunct uranus in one degree.

This is a good indicator of your answer right here.

You are Venus, in Aquarius in the Fifth which suggests that Libra rises. You should take the Seventh house to represent him, which would put Aries on the Seventh and its lord Mars somewhere around the First house.

It's hard to tell exactly without actually seeing the chart, so some of my thoughts might not be correct depending on the degree rising or the degree of Venus and Mars, but I believe those two planets are mutually separating from one another, and unless another planet can collect or translate the light, it may be difficult for these two to reconcile. What makes it more interesting is that you receive him, but he doesn't seem to be as open to you as Venus isn't in any of Mars's dignities.

 

[Sanaqua]

To answer this from the horary point of view, you need to see receptions betwwen 1th and 7th in the horaty chart. Not more. Not any aspects. No receptions - no relationship if even good aspects present.

Often there exist a situation the 1th ruler in the sign of 7th - she loves him. But the ruler of 7th has no receptions to the 1th ruler neither by sign nor exalt.tripl.,term, decanate. That's the reason can be - he doens't love you. That's all. See receptions between r.rul.1th-7th. I didn't find your data (chart - date, time, place, GMT), could might see and say. Yuri.

Hi Yuri,

Thanks. It is not a 1st-7th question. I took 1st-11th for us.

I am Venus (Libra) in Aqua in my 5th (his 7th). He is Sun (Leo) in Aries, in my 7th. Sun is in term of Venus. But Venus is not in any way in his sign. Though, Mars ruler of Sun is in Libra. But i think, we don't take dispositors to get answers. This is the reason i can't comprehend it, I am thinking about him too much. If we apply the reception rule, may be he is thinking about me but i am not at all.

I don't know where is the mistake.

Much thanks for offering to have a look. Chart is attached.

Best,

Sanaqua.

 

[Zarathu]

You have obliterated the information of the birth time and place in the chart. Sicne I use my own software for these things, perhaps you could PM it to me.

 

[Sanaqua]

Hi Sanaqua, this was your first mistake.

If you're asking the question "Will we be friends again" it is not a good idea to assign him to the house that signifies friends.



This is a good indicator of your answer right here.

You are Venus, in Aquarius in the Fifth which suggests that Libra rises. You should take the Seventh house to represent him, which would put Aries on the Seventh and its lord Mars somewhere around the First house.

It's hard to tell exactly without actually seeing the chart, so some of my thoughts might not be correct depending on the degree rising or the degree of Venus and Mars, but I believe those two planets are mutually separating from one another, and unless another planet can collect or translate the light, it may be difficult for these two to reconcile. What makes it more interesting is that you receive him, but he doesn't seem to be as open to you as Venus isn't in any of Mars's dignities.

Hi Kaiousei no Senshi,

Okay, so that was the mistake.

But then, it makes him thinking too much about me. But we are mutually separating, yes, you are right.

I do not understand your last point. "What makes it more interesting is that you receive him, but he doesn't seem to be as open to you as Venus isn't in any of Mars's dignities."

Can you please explain?

Is Moon in 8th because i am too much frustrated? Would you take Uranus into account? I think Uranus is so prominent.


Sanaqua

 

[Kaiousei no Senshi]

I do not understand your last point. "What makes it more interesting is that you receive him, but he doesn't seem to be as open to you as Venus isn't in any of Mars's dignities."

Can you please explain?

Certainly, Mars is in the sign of Venus, so Venus receives Mars and is open to cooperating with him. However, it doesn't look like Venus is in any of the dignities of Mars, so he's not as open to cooperating with you.

I'm a bit concerned about him being a malefic in his detriment and retrograde, what do you make of this? Typically this shows someone who is incapable of accomplishing something and may have moralistic implications (he may be a bad person or has treated you badly), but with the Sun exalted in the Seventh it probably isn't too far into the moralistic territory, unless it's more telling of an impulsive, arrogant attitude, not willing to compromise.

 

[Sanaqua]

Certainly, Mars is in the sign of Venus, so Venus receives Mars and is open to cooperating with him. However, it doesn't look like Venus is in any of the dignities of Mars, so he's not as open to cooperating with you.

I'm a bit concerned about him being a malefic in his detriment and retrograde, what do you make of this? Typically this shows someone who is incapable of accomplishing something and may have moralistic implications (he may be a bad person or has treated you badly), but with the Sun exalted in the Seventh it probably isn't too far into the moralistic territory, unless it's more telling of an impulsive, arrogant attitude, not willing to compromise.

I can't make out anything of the Mars retro or in his detriment too. He is in my sign but detriment. What do you think?
Not at all a bad person. One of the best people i have ever met in my life, this is why i hold him so dear and have tried to sort the issues out countless times. Yes, he is not responding me.
Treated me badly- He has been ignoring me from couple of months which made me alert and for a month, completely ignoring me. Like an abandonment. I don't even know my mistake. And i am wondering if this is so easy for people to 'abandon' someone, whom they have been calling their best of best and closest of people in their lives.

I am not easy with this and that's certain. And i don't know why the chart has AC on 2 degrees when i am clearly into this. I have been reluctant in the past asking from horary about this. That's because when you know astrology, you have temptations to ask from heavens everything. This is why i delayed it untill i couldn't hold it anymore. Next thing is Moon. Why she is in Taurus? I feel myself extremely restless and anxious and if someone knows my ego, he would say, i am being so weak in my egos and feeling it so difficult to keep up an image of a strong person. And to reconcile, it is manifest on him too that i am asking him again n again on n off, what's the matter. Everytime he clearly ignores me or scolds me or go harsh.

Rationality says i move on and give it a ****. But i still want to have my best friend back. This is not palatable after sharing an ideal friendship.

 

[Zarathu]

This reply is based on Modern Astrology. As such it uses planets and planetary structures which are not part of Traditional Astrology.

Your question is whether you will become friends again.

I'm not sure that enough information is available to make an honest clear response since, IMO, having the ASC within the first 3 degrees of the sign generally means that more water has to go over the dam before a decision can be reached.

But we'll proceed anyway....

1. I have found that looking at the Arabic aspects to the Moon gives us a good idea of what the basic meaning of the chart is

Moo at 04Tau06 SQR Delusion at 04Leo31
Moo at 04Tau06 SQR Duplicity at 04Leo31
Moo at 04Tau06 OPP Peril 2 at 03Sco06

These suggest that there is other stuff going on here behind the scenes.

Moo at 04Tau06 CJN Reason at 03Tau57

This suggests your desire to be reasonable

Moo at 04Tau06 OPP Surgery at 03Sco06

This generally means something gets cut out

Moo at 04Tau06 CJN Understanding at 03Tau57

This suggests your willingness to understand the circumstances.

Overall the Arabic parts do fit the circumstance, but tend to show that you won't despite your intense desire to be rational and to try to understand what might be the problem. Lets see what the rest of the chart says.

2. The Moon is in Taurus which is intercepted in Placidus(the typical house system of Ivy Goldstein Jacobson--modern astrologer). This means that there is interference in the matter, there is a blocked course, some message or important piece of information is not reaching you at this time, you may not hear about this for awhile.

This matches both the Arabic parts and also the early degree ASC

3. The Moon is in a suceedent house AND in Taurus(fixed sign). this suggests that to reach a yes more stuff will have to happen. This again agrees with the first information we have.

4. There are a huge number of applying aspects before leaving the sign, which means that lots and lots of discussion and stuff has to take place before a conclusion can be reached.

We could go a lot further.

My response is that it could happen, but that there are a lot of serious obstacles to having it happen. But the biggest of these obstacles is that there is so much to be addressed before a serious conclusion can be reached. Ivy Goldstein Jacobson said: "See it once, maybe; see it twice, possibly; see it three times, probably; see it four times; certainty.

We've seen it four times that there is a lot of stuff that has to be addressed between you and this person before a conclusion to friendship or not friendship can be determined.

 

[Sanaqua]

Zarathu,

Means there will be lot of fight and arguments before we come to that point of deciding whether we will have a good friendship again or not? Because apparently we have no contact for almost a month (more than 3 weeks).

 

[Zarathu]

Zarathu,

Means there will be lot of fight and arguments before we come to that point of deciding whether we will have a good friendship again or not? Because apparently we have no contact for almost a month (more than 3 weeks).

A lot of something. It may not be fighting and arguments, but clearly there is an issue between the two of you that needs to be resolved, and it will take some time and more reasons and rationality on your part to make it happen.

Take some time to contact your former friend. Be sensitive to what you did wrong, whatever that is, that caused the other person to cut you off.

It may be that you did something unforgivable. Or it may be something that you didn't do. My sister in law recently cut off my wife. As it turned out, she had suddenly been saddled by her family with completely running the family business that she was really only an employee in. She is completely overwhelmed and is simply too exhausted at the end of the day to call her sister who lives far away. Her whole life has turned upside down.

You don't know. If you want your friend back you will have to find out, and be as sensitive as you can possibly be. It may still not be in the cards, but the chart suggests that if you want to find a resolve you will have to do this.

It won't be easy for you.

 

[Yuri]

Hi Yuri,

Thanks. It is not a 1st-7th question. I took 1st-11th for us.
......

I don't know where is the mistake.
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(from traditional view):

If your question is "will we be good friends again?" (as you formulated), we CAN'T take 11th as his significator!!! This were possible ONLY for questions like "We are friends NOW, will we... ?(marry, work, play and so on)
So, we need to determine his significator first. It can be 7th or 5th jumping from your initial description of him. Judging from your constant thinking of him I would take the planet your Venus in the reception by sign. That's Saturn, the 5th ruler. More, your Venus has a separating square to Saturn.
Thus, look at Saturn's receptions.
It has a litte reception to your Venus by decanate. But more important, it has a negative reception to your Venus - Sat in the Venus' detriment. He avoids you!
Notice, your Venus is in your 5 house. Your relationship with him is not a friendship, nor a marriage-like, only a kind of play or sexual affinity really (the matter of the 5th house).
Yuri.

 

[Yuri]

And I though think... he is Saturn though (the 5th). ...
Not Sun. Not Mars. (11th or 7th)
Everything is clear then. He is your former lover or a participant of your play.
Your Venus needs now: 1. play (5-Sat - sign and tri[licity!!! strong) and 2. stable relat. 7 (partner - Mars, your Venus in its term). It's from the chart.
And you both fixed deadly in this game. Both significators are in fixed signs (Sco and Aq).
But soon it will come to an end. Your Venus is going to come to the next sign.


Yuri,

 

[Sanaqua]

A lot of something. It may not be fighting and arguments, but clearly there is an issue between the two of you that needs to be resolved, and it will take some time and more reasons and rationality on your part to make it happen.

Take some time to contact your former friend. Be sensitive to what you did wrong, whatever that is, that caused the other person to cut you off.

It may be that you did something unforgivable. Or it may be something that you didn't do. My sister in law recently cut off my wife. As it turned out, she had suddenly been saddled by her family with completely running the family business that she was really only an employee in. She is completely overwhelmed and is simply too exhausted at the end of the day to call her sister who lives far away. Her whole life has turned upside down.

You don't know. If you want your friend back you will have to find out, and be as sensitive as you can possibly be. It may still not be in the cards, but the chart suggests that if you want to find a resolve you will have to do this.

It won't be easy for you.

Thanks Zarathu.

I have asked him and offered to discuss many times but it never happens. Infact, i have apologized many times for the things which i don't know that i did. I think, i should be pragmatic now and stop being stupid emotional.