should i pursue my doctorate this fall or...?

hvnlystarz

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should i pursue my doctorate this fall? or should i pursue intense astrological studies?

just so you know- i have been accepted to a doctorate program and need to put my down payment down next week :p but astrology has been calling to me BIG time. i know i can do both in this life- but one has to come first right now.

i know nothing about horary! but i am open and willing to learn :)

thank you in advance...

~hvnlystarz
 

archergirl

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Hi hvnlystarz,

Please check out this link first.

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/announcement.php?f=44

In horary you will need to note the *exact* time that you first asked the question; if you can't remember, don't guess! It's better to wait a few days and then ask again, if the question is still of great importance to you.

(edit) Also, it is much, much easier if you keep your question as simple as possible while you are learning. 'X or Y' questions are very difficult at the best of times. Perhaps it would be better to keep the question to 'should I do the PhD' or 'should I study astrology'; they would both be represented by the same significator, is all, and would be very confusing! Simplicity is better.

Give the interpretation a shot, even if you feel you are at an utterly basic level. We will help!

But get the time accurately, first and foremost.

Best wishes,
AG:)
 
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archergirl

Well-known member
Hiya,

The question is taken at the moment you think of it; when this thought is formed and you have decided that you really need to know this answer, take note of the time. If you ask your question, but note the time as when you post it, a long time may have passed,which will change your chart quite a bit! Accuracy is important.

If you are doing a horary for someone else, you can note the time that you, the astrologer, have heard and understood the question. However, bear in mind that if you do that on a forum such as this, you might get twenty different people with twenty different times, rendering your question unreadable!

Have a look through Radu's guidelines; they give a pretty good idea of what is hoped to be achieved when you post a horary question.

Best wishes,
AG:)
 

hvnlystarz

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okay so i think i have it figured out. my question formed on march 7th, 2007 at about 7am. it's definitely between 7 and 8am- i am sorry i cannot be more specific. i usually wake up around 6am and i get on my computer with my tea to study astrology. i began researching transits in relation to this question and formulated a formal question to a well known astrologer who takes questions on her advice board at 8:50am. but i was thinking about this question before i wrote her. one caveat is that i am sure this question was looming in my subconscious earlier than this- actually i am sure of it. but this date and time is when i began to put it into language/words.

so the question again- but with more info is:

i am unsure if i should be purusing grad school in clinical psych this fall or if i should be focusing on astrological studies. i have been accepted to the program already but am having seconds thoughts now. i know i want my doctorate but i am unsure if now is the time. the alternative is to study astrology seriously and intensively. lately i have been burnt out at school (finishing my b.a.). the past two weeks have seen me totally slack on my homework- while i spend all my time on astrology boards, reading astrology books and researching transits! astrology is my passion- but i love psychology as well and i feel a degree that is respected in the material world will help me on my life path and with my life's work. as soon as i got the call to accept me i began to question this unconsciously. i wrote an email to all my friends about it but saved the email to draft and didn't send it until 3/5 (was accepted on 3/2 at 2:30pm). even when i sent the email something in me wasn't 100% sure. i cannot figure out if this hesitating is intuition telling me something or fear/ambivalence about committing to a 4-5 year doctoral program.

another tidbit that coincides with this question is the fact that my biological clock has started ticking and i am giving a lot of serious thought to the fact that if i do the grad program i cannot even think about kids until i am 34. the program is intensive and you literally have no time for a life- much less babies. but my astrological studies could be worked around kids much easier. and then after i have kids and they grow up i can return to school for my doctorate. BUT- my current relationship is not at the place of talking about kids right now. we broke up and are back together working on things- but not in a marriage and kids space at all. we were there before though. and my take on it was that i wanted grad school and i wanted kids to wait. but perhaps saturn return has triggered my biological clock or something- because now my thoughts have changed.

so the question is threefold- grad school now? astrology now? kids now or later?

here is the horary for it below. i couldn't post the larger horary that has the asteriods, parts, etc... in it because it was too large. but i think it's important to note the following:

ceres in the 12th house conjunct asc (by 0'31 degrees)
vertex in 6th conjust desc (by 0'41 degrees)
juno conjuct moon- exact!
north node conjunct sun in 12th (by 0'31 degrees)

so my take-

i see only two planets below the horizon- venus in the 1st and saturn in the 6th (on the cusp of the 5th/6th). everything else is above. this reflects my question about what i am supposed to do with my life externally- mother, astrologer, psychologist.

ceres in the 12th house conjunct asc- shows the pressing question of mothering about to come into clarity (from the 12th to the 1st)

vertex in 6th conjust desc- destiny/fate on the cusp of committed relationships- and it's opposing my ceres. fate with someone activating my ceres/mothering nature?

juno conjuct moon- exact! juno is about mothering and childbirth. the moon is mothering as well. having the two conjunct in my 7th is meaningful i think.

uranus conjunct north node conjunct sun in 12th- insights coming from the unconscious about my destiny?

saturn opposite neptune/pallas in 5th/6th vs. 11th/12th- well here the question of committing to a 5 year doctorate program seems to be reflected well. neptune opposite saturn shows confusion about what to manifest in area of work (6th) and children (5th/6th cusp)

a lot of activity in the 12th- a lot of unconcious, karmic stuff coming up?

jupiter in the 9th- luck in learning- but as i understand it saturn in the 9th would be more appropriate for organized studies like grad school- whereas jupiter in the 9th shows expansion and aquisition of knowledge in more unconventional forms.

grand trine venus/saturn/jupiter in 1st/5th-6th/9th in fire. inspiration in the areas of myself, my children/work and spirituality?

venus opposite lilith in 1st/7th- i am still getting the hang of lilith here so i am unsure.

pluto conjunct MC- shows the deep transformation i am going through in terms of trying to figure out my path. shows psychology as a career?

part of fortune is opposite my sun/moon midpoint by 1'33 degrees- not sure if this is counted in horary- but i thought it could be meaningful.

so that is what i see. unfortunately i don't see answers :( just more questions! i have enough of those- i am looking for clarity!!!

if you can help it would be much appreciated :)

thank you!

~hvnlystarz
 

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hvnlystarz

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okay so i think i have it figured out. my question formed on march 7th, 2007 at about 7am. it's definitely between 7 and 8am- i am sorry i cannot be more specific. i usually wake up around 6am and i get on my computer with my tea to study astrology. i began researching transits in relation to this question and formulated a formal question to a well known astrologer who takes questions on her advice board at 8:50am. but i was thinking about this question before i wrote her. one caveat is that i am sure this question was looming in my subconscious earlier than this- actually i am sure of it. but this date and time is when i began to put it into language/words.

so the question again- but with more info is:

i am unsure if i should be purusing grad school in clinical psych this fall or if i should be focusing on astrological studies. i have been accepted to the program already but am having seconds thoughts now. i know i want my doctorate but i am unsure if now is the time. the alternative is to study astrology seriously and intensively. lately i have been burnt out at school (finishing my b.a.). the past two weeks have seen me totally slack on my homework- while i spend all my time on astrology boards, reading astrology books and researching transits! astrology is my passion- but i love psychology as well and i feel a degree that is respected in the material world will help me on my life path and with my life's work. as soon as i got the call to accept me i began to question this unconsciously. i wrote an email to all my friends about it but saved the email to draft and didn't send it until 3/5 (was accepted on 3/2 at 2:30pm). even when i sent the email something in me wasn't 100% sure. i cannot figure out if this hesitating is intuition telling me something or fear/ambivalence about committing to a 4-5 year doctoral program.

another tidbit that coincides with this question is the fact that my biological clock has started ticking and i am giving a lot of serious thought to the fact that if i do the grad program i cannot even think about kids until i am 34. the program is intensive and you literally have no time for a life- much less babies. but my astrological studies could be worked around kids much easier. and then after i have kids and they grow up i can return to school for my doctorate. BUT- my current relationship is not at the place of talking about kids right now. we broke up and are back together working on things- but not in a marriage and kids space at all. we were there before though. and my take on it was that i wanted grad school and i wanted kids to wait. but perhaps saturn return has triggered my biological clock or something- because now my thoughts have changed.

so the question is threefold- grad school now? astrology now? kids now or later?

here is the horary for it below. i couldn't post the larger horary that has the asteriods, parts, etc... in it because it was too large. but i think it's important to note the following:

ceres in the 12th house conjunct asc (by 0'31 degrees)
vertex in 6th conjust desc (by 0'41 degrees)
juno conjuct moon- exact!
north node conjunct sun in 12th (by 0'31 degrees)

so my take-

i see only two planets below the horizon- venus in the 1st and saturn in the 6th (on the cusp of the 5th/6th). everything else is above. this reflects my question about what i am supposed to do with my life externally- mother, astrologer, psychologist.

ceres in the 12th house conjunct asc- shows the pressing question of mothering about to come into clarity (from the 12th to the 1st)

vertex in 6th conjust desc- destiny/fate on the cusp of committed relationships- and it's opposing my ceres. fate with someone activating my ceres/mothering nature?

juno conjuct moon- exact! juno is about mothering and childbirth. the moon is mothering as well. having the two conjunct in my 7th is meaningful i think.

uranus conjunct north node conjunct sun in 12th- insights coming from the unconscious about my destiny?

saturn opposite neptune/pallas in 5th/6th vs. 11th/12th- well here the question of committing to a 5 year doctorate program seems to be reflected well. neptune opposite saturn shows confusion about what to manifest in area of work (6th) and children (5th/6th cusp)

a lot of activity in the 12th- a lot of unconcious, karmic stuff coming up?

jupiter in the 9th- luck in learning- but as i understand it saturn in the 9th would be more appropriate for organized studies like grad school- whereas jupiter in the 9th shows expansion and aquisition of knowledge in more unconventional forms.

grand trine venus/saturn/jupiter in 1st/5th-6th/9th in fire. inspiration in the areas of myself, my children/work and spirituality?

venus opposite lilith in 1st/7th- i am still getting the hang of lilith here so i am unsure.

pluto conjunct MC- shows the deep transformation i am going through in terms of trying to figure out my path. shows psychology as a career?

part of fortune is opposite my sun/moon midpoint by 1'33 degrees- not sure if this is counted in horary- but i thought it could be meaningful.

so that is what i see. unfortunately i don't see answers :( just more questions! i have enough of those- i am looking for clarity!!!

if you can help it would be much appreciated :)

thank you!

~hvnlystarz
 

archergirl

Well-known member
Hi there,

Okay, good start. I would advise you, as a beginner, to make things as simple as possible on yourself :p and *take out* all the asteroids, Arabic Points, Vertex, etc., AND ignore the outer planets for the time being. You don't need them to get a good answer!

I will help out with this chart, but the first points you should look for in your own chart are this:

Lord of the Hour/Lord of the Ascendant: are they compatible?

The Moon: her sign, house, number of degrees. Is she void of course?

The first significators you should look for: the Ascendant ruler + the Moon + any other planets in the 1st house will be YOU.

The 9th house and its significator/s will represent the degree: probably the PhD.

The 5th house and significator/s will be children.

There is no real way to separate out the difference between 'higher studies' such as a PhD, and 'higher studies' such as doing astrology, so you will have to judge by the planet, its nature, and what it rules to see if you can discern a difference.

Applying aspects indicate things in development. Separating aspects (those that have already perfected and are moving away from one another) represent things which have already passed.

My advice would still be to separate these questions into two or three different charts, for future reference; but we can give this one a shot.

I'll look more at this in a bit, after I make the kids some toast. :p

Best wishes,
AG:)
 

archergirl

Well-known member
Okay, Hmmm. 7 March 2007, 7:00 am-ish, beautiful San Fran. Mercury hour; Jupiter rules the Ascendant.

It's not an especially promising chart to read, and I feel rather reluctant, myself, for a number of reasons. The first may be because we didn't have an exact time; ideally we will have the time down to the minute! So it may be off.

The second is that the Lord of the Hour and the Ascendant ruler aren't compatible. I've said on other threads that while this isn't a *big* problem, it does put up a little flag about potential confusion in the querent or the chart. I think it's fair to say you are a little confused right now! :)

The third is that the Moon is Void of Course, being at 26+ degrees Libra. It has made its last aspect to any of the traditional planets, and no, I won't consider Pluto until later maybe! :p

Lilly says that a late moon in Libra, even if void of course, will 'perform somewhat'; but the late degrees in Libra are within Via Combusta, which is not a happy place for the moon! After the moon leaves Libra, it goes into the sign of its fall, Scorpio, so even if we were to consider the moon's progression to the next sign, it shows a worsening of the situation, not an improvement.

This will be a little confusing, but we will explore it.

You, as Jupiter, are placed in the 9th of 'higher learning', quite strong in your own sign and house. This is appropriate since one of your questions is about education. Since Jupiter also rules the 9th (one of your questions), we then take the Moon and Venus as your co-significators and leave Jupiter ruling the 9th.

The Moon in this chart rules both 'you' and the 5th of pregnancy/children. Tellingly, it is VOC in the 7th of your partner. Having children with this man is not really an option right now, something you alluded to in your previous post. The Moon does not make an aspect to 'you' as Jupiter *or* as Venus, as both aspects have already been spent.

Since Jupiter is also the ruler of the 9th, we look at Venus as being yourself. Venus is detrimented in Aries, being the sign opposite to her ruler. This can reflect your sense of not being at your best right now; and also impatience (being in Aries). However, Venus *applies* to trine Jupiter, ruler of the 9th. This is a favorable aspect, especially with Jupiter having so much dignity. In fact, Venus' next aspect is to Jupiter, in about a degree.

One thing to note is that all the axes of the chart are in mutable signs, meaning a lot of fluctuation; and that the 4th/10th axis is in late degrees (27+). There is a sense of things already set in motion with late degrees, especially in terms of career/ambitions. Pluto on the MC tells us that you are having a crisis where your life-direction is concerned, and this VOC moon's final aspect shows us the crisis of children/partnership (Moon/7th) versus career (MC). Many modern horarists consider the outer planets: Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto, to be mostly malefic in nature.

This is as far as I will take it.:) The chart, insofar as this one will be read, is indicating that energy is directed toward higher education, but probably not children, at this time. I would suggest that at this point, you mull over the 9th house stuff in the chart for a few days, and then ask another question (and *mark the exact time you ask it!*;) ) about *either* studying astrology *or* your PhD, when you feel a little clearer about your desires (or utterly vexed at not being able to make a decision! Both types of energy work well for charts.)

Best wishes,
AG:)
 

hvnlystarz

Active member
thank you for your response AG :) i am off early tomorrow morning for a yoga retreat in joshua tree for the next 5 days. i am hoping to gain clarity while i am there. transiting uranus will square my neptune sunday morning at 2:30am and i am hoping amazing insight will come to me then :) neptune is my ruling planet- so i figure it's a very real possibility.

i will email a response to what you wrote when i get back. right now i have to pack!

as i told you- i know absolutely nothing about horary and have never asked a horary question before. so i know i need to study up on it :) and i appreciate your taking the time to teach me!

when i get back i will email you more in response to what you said. for now i have to pack and go to sleep :)

good night!

~harmony

p.s. how does one find the lord of the hour?
 

hvnlystarz

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here is perhaps a better, more accurate time. this is the exact time that i sent an email to an astrologer who takes questions on her board. prior to sending this email i was researching transits for school and children- but it was at this exact time that i formulated the question and sent it via email. do you think this is more appropriate? i know that all day on the 7th i was researching astrological transits in regards to this question.

the time is 10:32am on 3/7/07 in san francisco. included is the chart.

okay i am really going to bed now!!!! astrology has this way of sucking me into a time warp and hours go by before i even know it :p

~h
 

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archergirl

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Oooh, no way am I going to read a second chart! :p Let's leave it with the first chart; once you start second-guessing the time of asking, you may as well throw the whole question out and start over again! Going on a yoga retreat will be far more productive at this point. Really! :D

All the best,
AG:)
 
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