Moulin,
As usual, I have an unorthodox way of dividing the houses. I do it by sign as opposed to house to house. So, for instance if Leo is on the 8th house cusp, but half is in the traditional space alloted and half in the 7th house, I just call it 8th. This is just the method I use and it has given me good results.
Anyways, using my method I wouldnt directly interpret any planets in your 8th house. In fact, No house is needed specifically to interpret high sexuality and appeal. In my opinion, it comes down to the aspects as always. You have a bunch of super sexual aspects.
1.) Pluto rx quinconx venus 1.12dgr. The rx is important as it makes it a bi-directional quinconx which is a super sex aspect. Your pluto also trines mars at 0.57dgr, and mars ofcourse semi-sextiles venus. So you have a strong configuration there, but its not over.
2.) In your declinations your mars and pluto are conjoined at 0.19dgr. This is a very tight declination and neptune joins them and they are all within 0.57dgr. This is a strong synchronization.
3.) back to the longitudes you have neptune,uranus,jupiter(on ac) and moon all forming a configuration and they are close enough to be considered one whole cumalative configuration with #1.
Thus, there is a good case that it has nothing to do with the 8th house and all to do with such strong aspects.
And if you really want to connect the 8th house to this, one method I've used and that works, but isnt neccesary for predicting sexuality in my opinion since you dont really need the houses, is by looking at the ruler of your personal 8th house if it is empty. In your case it is pisces, who's ruler is neptune, which is part of your enormous sexual configuration.
No, it's not like saying Signs are stronger at all. It's just like saying some houses have more power than others in that planets in those houses have more power to act. Certainly any planet in the Eighth house isn't too happy there.
The whole idea that certain houses are stronger than others is a faulty concept. The houses represent different themes and you cant place values on them like that. Anyway, this will be expanded upon as I continue to rebuff you.
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just find this idea very strange and it is contradictory. You're telling me a very powerless house's central theme is power itself. Well, wouldn't the First house (the most powerful) or the Twelfth house (the weakest) be a better significator for pure power than one caught in the middle?
First of all I've never agreed with you that the 8th house should be characterized as the powerless house. That is ridiculous. The house is about power. Again, Having or lacking power, are two sides of the same coin. The central theme to them both is power. This is a wholistic concept and you cant look at it in purely black and white terms. Having power and not having power are strongly interrelated. How can one have power if it isnt over something else in comparison. This is basic stuff man.
Second, since I am arguing that the 8th houses central theme is power there is no need to split up a simple concept into other houses that dont have anything directly to do with it. The first house just represents the physical body and personality. There isnt anything intrinsic that deals with power in that house. The 12th house doesnt deal with power either, it deals with themes of spirituality and delusion, subconscious belief, unconscious belief, prison, mental hospitals, churches, and basically our inner workings that are buried deep inside of us and generally very hard to find and understand as it is below the consciousness until it is slowly realized.
No no no. The Eighth house is not about life. That's the First house. The Eighth is about loss and clearing out so that in time new things CAN grow in its place. Certainly these two things are connected, but they are still in different houses. The light of the sun begins to die in the Eighth so it can be reborn on the Ascendant. This is why the concepts of life and death are in two different houses. You can throw whatever clever ideas you have up to connect the two, but that's all they are, clever ideas.
Yes the 8th house is about life. What do you think is happening when a women is inseminated by a man? life starts there for human beings. This is procreation and it deals with sex related to power and related 8th house dealings as oppsoed to 5th house romance and love procreation. The 8th house is both life/death as they are again, different sides of the same coin. Ultimatly, energy can neither be created nor destroyed only exchanged. So when someone dies they personally die but the energy they had is still present in the universe and it goes on to be redistributed and manifest into food which is eaten, and then people have energy and procreate and its a continuing cycle.
Transformation and rebirth(metaphorical sense) are also contained within the 8th house as they deal with the death of the old and the start of something new. life/death.
No one has ever claimed that physical birth is an 8th house function or manifestation. Only you have. The 8th house has to do with the act of pro-creation, the sex that eventually will manifest in the 1st house birth down the road. As you will notice though, the energy exchange, the life, wasnt given in the 1st house, it happened in the 8th house. We all know babies dont start living when they come out of the womb, they become alive when the egg joins the sperm and forms the new being.
Yes, we do gain through the death of others with such things as inheritance, but we can also attempt to gain from the living if we can work this house correctly. However, we often forget that our loss can be other's gains, which again emphasizes the Eighth house and it's signification of loss. You forget that towns beseiged are the Fourth house, making what they have to be seized the Fifth. Also children are born in the Fifth, not the Eighth, that would be very scary.
Gain and loss are like life and death. Exchange of energy on different levels, but instead of life being given or taken, resources are. Another symbolism of the 8th house. I'm glad that you understand that they are different sides of the same coin regarding resources and property. Hopefully, you will be consistent with this statement and apply it to the life/death issue in light of my argument.
Yes, children can be created in the 5th house. There is an argument for some carry over there. More so out of the 5th house representing creatiivity. procreation isnt creative in the artistic or general usage as we use it, but romance and love is, and it leads to the creative process of children being concieved. However, the 5th house rules creativity and not life/death. life/death are intertwined eternally.
The problem is we are confused on just what the houses are, something that has been demonstrated time and time again by astrologers mixing up and assigning houses incorrectly. It's not just the Eighth house that gets this kind of stuff, but all houses. Resources are gained or lost in any house that is connected with resources, so any of the Succeedant houses can be called up in this situation. It is, though, usually the Second/Eighth axis that is called up because it generally is some sort of agreed switch that takes place and not a forced movement such as a raid on Paris.
Your right, there is some confusion on the houses.
No one said the 8th house is the only house that involves resources. And yes, the 5th and 11th also deal with other peoples resources as in the family and then public. What they do not deal in is the aquisition of those given resources which is a function of the 2nd and 8th house.
5th house items, thing belonging to our family, and they are inheritences when we recieve them, thus falling under the 8th house. They remain 5th house for aslong as they are the families and not ours. 11th house isnt really part of the equation since it is public property and not something we aquire personally.
And ofcourse the 2nd house represents small items and things that lose value. This house represents money itself as opposed to assets,property and big investment ownerships that the 8th house does. Thus, the 2nd house is clothes, small items, food, jewelry, and other venusian type things.
And yes, the 8th house would deal with a raid on paris. It deals with power, and it deals with gaining other peoples property. Hence, a raid(forceful entry, by means of power) which ends up in looting and pillaging(paris).
Also, I'm really getting tired of people singling me out with this kind of junk. I don't charactize any house as being weak, that's just what the rules are. So stop treating it like it's something I've decided to come up with on my own for no reason.
OK, you may not be labeling the houses as weak, but you are buying into that method that does and arguing that does and arguing on its behalf. If you dont want to defend your position, then dont state it. Astrology must be discussed, and positions must be supported by strong arguments otherwise it is all just opinion.
