scorpio risings

[Moondancing]

In all likelihood your not going to know the chart of someone who is stalking you. You can see if your chart might draw obsessive people to you. From my experience, I know I take precautions.

 

[FraterAC]

I would call it part of the stuff that is not supportive of your Mission in Life. Do the stuff of the north Node, and you won’t accomplish your mission. Now if your mission was to avoid killing people, the Richard Ramirez may be in that category. One north node is not everyone’s north node.

Akkk!
My mistake. I originally posted North Node, but RR clearly had the South Node conjunct his Mercury and Moon (I corrected my post). My comments had to do with my experience with the South Node, ie the Dragon's Tail, not the North Node.
I do know the difference, honest.

 

[FraterAC]

is it the pluto or neptune aspects?

I'd venture a guess Mars conjoined Venus. Sun opposition Pluto too, possibly.
You may note he had Uranus trine the Asc (usually associated with an idealist or progressive personality) and Neptune trine his Sun (often associated with a mystic, psychic, or very empathetic person, which he most assuredly was not).
Some may have thought he had magnetism or charisma, but I'm definitely not among them.

 

[FraterAC]

Everyone can grow. In his next incarnation, perhaps he won’t have challenging aspects that make it harder not to be a murderer.

I get that.
RR did some horrible things, and society put him in a cage for them.
No doubt there were lessons learned.

At the end of The Republic, Plato recounts the next incarnations of each of the group of people who had gone through the interlife period together. Most of them picked up right where they left off. Only wily Odysseus had the presence of mind to pick something different.
(It was the life of an ordinary, average man, not a hero, not a potentate. By lot, he had been assigned the last of the group to choose a life. He said that this was the life he'd have picked if he had been the first to choose.)

BML square Venus, trine Mercury.

 

[Moondancing]

omg. im so sorry u went thru that, this is genuinely traumatizing. i cant believe he broke in twice in the same night too i hope youre staying safe now, seems like pluto has major influence in everything related to stalking somehow that configuration you have with your moon and sun involved as well seems like it would draw unwelcome attention to u.

Within the year I sold my home and moved to a third floor apartment. Heck if one day he didn't show up with flowers. I reminded him the police were only a phone call away and he left. Couldn't rid myself of the feeling he was out there with binoculars. Finally moved out of state where I did live in peace. Funny, I thought I was this meek person but discovered with asteroid Lilith ☌ my moon is a person who would not let someone get the better of her.

Famous people who were stalked all had different asc. Jodie Foster comes first to my mind. Her Sun was in Scorp. with Pluto ☌ Moon & conta-parallel the Sun. Sandra Bullock Pluto parallel the Sun, Colin Farrell Pluto/Sun/Moon, Taylor Swift didn't have Pluto connection with Sun/Moon but was in 10th house and squared the nodes, and 6 planets (Neptune, Uranus, Moon, Mercury, Jupiter, Saturn) in strong opposition across her 1st/7th houses.

Obviously not everyone with Pluto/Sun/Moon aspects will be stalked. Given my history with men, I can see where I am susceptible and so transits of Pluto to natal planets or transit planets to natal Pluto, I take great care where I go and whom I meet.

 

[Lin]

Unfortunately, I was the victim of stalking many years ago. But I have to say it made my Scorpio rising energy even more suspicious ...as back then I pretty much trusted everyone.
This was an ex boyfriend....and when we broke up (believe me, he was toxic...also a Scorpio) he went so far as to pour some sort of substance in my car's oil reserve tank.
Luckily, after driving 2 blocks a red light came onto my dashboard...and I left the car there and finally had it towed...but not before I needed a new Cam Shaft...
He knew how to hurt me as that was my first "new" car....

After that I had to take legal measures. Luckily, his parents were friends of the attorney my parents knew and they were SO embarrassed and enraged by his actions that he immediately desisted.
It could have been worse.
But my Jupiter and Venus trine my ASC...so it has served me well.....suspicions and all.

As a child I was VERY shy....even with my Leo Sun and Gemini moon...and THAT I believe was due to my natural suspicion of strangers...which I outgrew..and then with the above experience, had to "own" again. It kept me safe.

You know people who have such a friendly way about them that everyone immediately likes them? That is not me.
I have the type of face and body structure (tall and dark hair...and strong facial features...) that tells people.... "don't mess with me"....and I use the term "mess with" as a nice way of saying something else.

LIN

 

[sentR89day]

Scorpio risings, to me, sometimes act almost like an Aries! Then I realize that they are co-ruled by Mars!

 

[FraterAC]

what some of these people experience its almost as if they have no chance at becoming normal citizens

Although her horoscope was not as afflicted as some I've dealt with, Aileen Wuornos stands out to me as someone whose life was really a Hell on Earth. Not excusing her crimes, but her story made me wonder, what chance did she have for a normal life?

 

[FraterAC]

wish we had the birth time, looked at her chart

Yeah. Moon/Uranus/Venus T-square, Mars semisquare Mercury square Eris, Sun square Saturn, & MNN-MSN, sesquiquadrate Uranus, & Neptune.
But she had good aspects, too. Venus trine Jupiter (what's better than that?), & Pluto. Mars sextile Moon, & Neptune, and trine Pluto, & Jupiter.
Of course we don't have houses or an Ascendant to look at.
I know harder charts than that walking around living more or less normal lives. Can't help but wonder.

 

[FraterAC]

please confront the stalker and ask them for their birth details

With all due respect, good luck with that. Report them and move on.

 

[Lin]

We don't know if Aileen Wuornos' ASC is Scorpio....unless you can find a birth time....and i am not sure she stalked men. Her chart seems to point to obsessive out of control Neptune/moon square Uranus impulse...fueled, not doubt, by past life events and the transits of the first time she killed.
Linda

 

[Lin]

'' it seems like she herself was a target most of her life as well''

yeah...I would say 'from childhood.' Never protected by or FROM the mother.
LIN

 

[IRIS70]

question for anyone else here who has a scorpio rising, have any of you experienced stalking or obsessive people
heard that this placemant can indicate things like this
not sure if i am posting this in the correct place

Yes, they are intense people, they get obsessed with certain people/things, they are secretive, can be jealous, which may indicate that some of them may stalk people, but this does not mean that everyone with a Scorpio ASC is the same, it much depends on the lever of maturity of individual. You've better have them as friends-can be loyal- than enemies-can be vindictive and they cannot forget/get over-, all out of self-perservation/defensiveness-which they may not be aware of.

 

[geminimercury]

Just want to comment on this.

Scorpio Rising sign means it point to the planet Mars, so you need to look at where your natal Mars is, what your Mars sign and what house is your Mars in. This is IMPORTANT because Mars rule your 1st house, where ever house he landed it, he will pull the topic of your 1st house (self) to that house where him--the planet Mars is.

There people how has Scorpio Asc but Mars in Gemini, or Mars in it Detriment in Libra, or Fall in Cancer. Not everyone with Scorpio Asc will have a domicile Aries Mars or Scorpio Mars.

Rising sign point to a planet, so you have to trace that planet to find where it is. Unless your Mars is in it domicile in Scorpio, your Mars is not in 1st house, so trace where the planet Mars is in your chart.

There people who have Scorpio Ascendant but Mars in 12th house, or Mars in it Fall or Detriment.
So it important to find what sign your Mars is and where Mars is in your chart.

 

[Moondancing]

this is interesting, how would a scorpio ascendant with a libra/cancer mars operate for example? in contrast to one with scorpio/aries mars?
my mars is in aries but still unsure which house since i dont know which system to use. depending on house system it switches from 4/5/6 🥲

That makes for a complicated chart indeed! Pick one or two? I use Placidus and Whole Signs. None are superior. What is important is the relative distance the planets are from the angles? It may be a good topic of discussion on how astrologers use different house systems for different techniques.

 

[Moondancing]

could you explain more about the distance from the angles please? so for example my mars in aries, using placidus its at 8° and near the 5th house cusp but in the fourth house still. does that mean the 5th house could be more accurate? i can somehow resonate with all of the systems. i was raised in a home with a lot of mars themes going on and a lot of my family members are aries or mars dominant as well.
with the 6h for example i wouldnt say im a hard worker lol quite the contrary i like relaxing but when i work i get it done fast and i wont stop b4 im done. one thing that sticks out about this placement to me is that ive had chronic ocd (diagnosed) since early childhood, could maybe have some things to do with it.
i also share the opinion that all systems seem to be relevant and they all work for me. for transits i prefer whole signs though

The natal planets near the the four angles in your chart are major players in your life. For example, the planet conj. your asc. will be more evident to those around you than your sun sign. As a transiting planet nears one of your angles, events will be triggered regarding that angle. Also, as you progress the angles, particularly the MH or Asc., act as timers for events in your life as it aspects your natal planets. So Mars in 4th on the cusp of 5th and also in 6th?, has influence on all the houses. If Mars was on the cusp of 4th I'd say your Mars plays a much stronger role in this position.

This website has been posted here lately I think by Samantha. See what planets, houses, signs, etc have the most power in your chart. Just like some houses have multiple planets and can be confusing, the focus needs to be on the planet that has the power there. This might give some direction for the role Mars plays.

https://astrowin.org/home.php Tools/Natal Cosmodynes

 

[Lin]

I want to add something to my "stalking" experience. The stalker himself was a Scorpio. I do not remember his date of birth...so I can't go further than that....but his stalking of me was not his only "issue" or "oddity." He was an addict. He was very possessive and when I broke up with him (because he was very demanding of my time, when I had children to take care of...and he sort of either ignored them or made himself scarce when they were with me and we were home alone.)

Later my children told me how much they disliked him....and were very glad and relieved when he was out of my life.
He could be very nice and funny and laid back, but then I realized he was HIGH when he was nice....and when he was in need of his drug of choice (actually he had a lot of ways of drugging himself) ....he had a totally different personality. So he had to go.

As I said he tried to wreck my car....but he ALSO tried to poison my relationship with his mom....who I liked a lot...and she like me....in fact she was a patron of mine as a hairdresser.....he told her lies about things I had said "about her" and told me lies about things she had said "about me." When I approached her about this she had no idea what I was talking about....and was very upset.

And speaking of my car, one day I came out of work and 2 of my tires had had holes in them....which was deliberate. I had no enemies...so it was him. It was after this that he went further with the event I first wrote about.

I was very disappointed in myself re this relationship and time....because I felt stupid. I had married my first husband who was a secret gambler...and I didn't find out until my kids were about 7 months old. I had trusted and believe all his lies about where he money was going...especially about his helping his parents financially...because they were in need financially. But he didn't help them at all. It was all gambling.

He was not a Scorpio....although he had Scorpio in his chart....he was an Aquarius. So I was vulnerable to people with addictions...tho not addicted to anything myself...(except learning astrology...of course.) Maybe these people have been drawn to me because i am functional...or blind to their weaknesses.

LIN

 

[Lin]

Believe me, later after this situation was over, and I got further into astrology, I went over this time re transits....and there were some really terrible ones. I think the worst ...aside from a long lasting Neptune issue...both natal and transit...
was Uranus as that time squaring both my Jupiter and Venus in the 8th house...and Venus rules my 12th....so this was being played out in the field of "relationships" and showing me that I really needed someone much more responsible...and not prone to revenge...

I had a real issue with always wanting the opposite of what I had experienced in the prior relationship....without really being informed about who that person really was...because at that time I was not looking for marriage. So I thought ...the worst that could happen is I pick someone who won't be a "forever" person.

I was really wrong. And that relationship informed all my relationships later and also informed the way I give compatibility readings...well, that and reading a LOT of books on "why we pick the wrong men."

But I was obviously at a low point where my judgement was concerned (Uranus square Jupiter)....and that is why I stress this aspect when people have to make big decisions in their lives. It was a sad lesson....I had to learn that there are a lot of not so honest people "out there"....and i really hated....and still hate...having to go thru the whole "is this person an honest person....or not...is he )or she...in a friendship) being REAL .... being a Leo I always want to think the best of people. But...facts are facts...
LIN