Saturn transiting Sun

Shuter

Well-known member
Hi everybody,

I have upcoming Saturn (ruler of my 12. house) transiting - conjucting - Sun (ruler of 7. house). Has anyone some ideas what could that mean, and how to use this time in the best way?

Thank you for answers.
 

waybread

Staff member
This might be a time of low energy, when you feel more discouraged than you normally would. However, a lot depends upon how your sun is aspected. If your sun is opposed by another planet, for example, Saturn will oppose it as well, thus increasing its effect. If your sun makes a nice sextile or trine to another planet, however, this might be a time when any hard work and patience you've put in related to the nature of the other planet and its house will pay off.

Saturn's lessons are sort of unpopular virtues, but ones that are well-worth cultivating, especially in today's difficult economic times. Patience, hard work, resourcefulness, getting by on very little, having a firm grip on your material realities.
 

Shuter

Well-known member
Thank you for your reaction. There is no exact aspect to the Sun that would be activated in the same time. The Sun has a conjunction with Pluto and Mercury, but both are 5 degrees away, and they will be in exact aspect with Saturn only next year.

How about those connections with houses? Ruler of the 12th house conjuncts the ruler of the 7th house? Any idea what that could mean?
 

Shuter

Well-known member
Depends on house system. Placidus Saturn is on the cusp of 9th house, Sun is in 8th. In Camapnus Saturn is in 8th and Sun is 5 grades before 8th house, so practicaly still in the seventh.
 

byjove

Account Closed
This might be a time of low energy, when you feel more discouraged than you normally would. However, a lot depends upon how your sun is aspected. If your sun is opposed by another planet, for example, Saturn will oppose it as well, thus increasing its effect. If your sun makes a nice sextile or trine to another planet, however, this might be a time when any hard work and patience you've put in related to the nature of the other planet and its house will pay off.

Saturn's lessons are sort of unpopular virtues, but ones that are well-worth cultivating, especially in today's difficult economic times. Patience, hard work, resourcefulness, getting by on very little, having a firm grip on your material realities.

Over the last few weeks I've experienced transiting Saturn opposition natal Sun, and this description matches my experience perfectly. There were a few weeks of low energies, very low, and low spirits too. I didn't feel defeated, but as if I were in a giant rat race...I just plodded along, waiting for change. I was also conscious of this transit.

My natal Sun is very well dignified and aspected, including an exact trine to Saturn, but this was NOT a happy or EASY time for me, just to tell everyone. Actually, I faced random opposition by no less than 3 completely different people (or more if I've discounted them) and was totally shocked...at first I considered was it me, then I chose to stand my ground and defend myself. Watch out for this! Opposition in people and situations! But keep your chin up and remember it's a fairly rare transit and will be over soon!
 

Shuter

Well-known member


Here is the chart. I was thinking it is not necessary, but I understand it is far easier to look at a picture as trz to imagine :) Thanks for any replies.
 

Inconjunct

Well-known member
OK, so this is your natal chart, meaning the transiting conjunction is happening in your natal 8th house? This is not going to be an easy time for you, I'd wager. The more I look at it, the more I get the distinct impression that there could be a child on the way - I appreciate I'm assuming a lot here, so it might be helpful to have a bit of input from you about this as to whether it's a possibility or not. There is an alternative interpretation, of course, but referring to my bible of predictive astrology (Bernadette Brady's The Eagle and the Lark) I can't escape this impression.
 
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Shuter

Well-known member
Yes, the conjunction is happening in the 8th house. In Campanus it would be still 7th, and so is my feeling.
Well, I have no sexual partner so there is surely no chance of a child. How did you assume this?
My situation now is that I left my job, I could not stand the corporate non sense enviroment that I had to work in. Six months ago I moved in to a new city, where I dont have much friends. I am still here, but as I dont have a job at the end of the month I am canceling my appartment and go back back home for a month. As I was not living there for 7 years, there is no much people around too ... My plan is focusing on my self, axuiring new skills and in january/february starting in a new field, maybe in a new city. Until I find a job I can live with my sisters, what is not easy :) Financialy I am fine for few months.

Well, the situation is not good right now, but the Saturn transit starts to be exact in two weeks, cann it become worser? Or this is it?
 

Inconjunct

Well-known member
OK, the reason I mentioned childbirth is because the 8th house is associated with such major life-changing events such as birth, death etc. I use the Placidus house system as it's the one that works out best for almost any work I do. OK, so looking at what you're telling me, it seems that the major change indicated could be your return home - an event which certainly seems to be precipitated by a desire for a change in direction in your life (8th house stuff also). Sun-Saturn conjunctions usually signify a set of new responsibilities and a need for self-discipline, boundaries, hard work and perseverance. With your natal Saturn ruling the 12th and 1st, this indicates that there may be a period of loneliness and isolation, but that this is important for recharging your energies; I think you will also emerge from this with a renewed sense of self-worth and independence. What's also interesting is that the Sun rules the 7th, indicating that there is the possibility of a new relationship arising as a result of this transit. Saturn transits are rarely much fun, but they come with important lessons to learn, as has been said upthread, and if you can channel the energy positively, you can emerge a better, stronger person.

I hope that helps in some way.
 
Yes, the conjunction is happening in the 8th house. In Campanus it would be still 7th, and so is my feeling.

Well, the situation is not good right now, but the Saturn transit starts to be exact in two weeks, cann it become worser? Or this is it?
I use Equal House system (where each cusp is same as Ascendant) and am a modern astrologer. Lots of newcomers come into Astrology/forums and get a free chart from www.astro.com and the default ‘house system’ used is Placidus and think that’s just the norm and all there is……..BUT that is just the tip of the iceberg. You can change the default on astro.com in Extended Chart selection to Equal house and a few others if you wish to experiment…..

Within the mainstream here on AW of placidus/equal houses (the default on astro is placidus) only difference being some planets may move from one house to another thereby altering it's interpretation and it's 'only' with research will you find which planets 'fit you' in which houses. So my advice, do two charts, research any planets that move houses and see which you identity with - simple

please could you try to use astro.com chart which has more information, like aspect grid and elemental balances. It's free and the best there is.

so sun, pluto and mercury would all be 9th house of higher education, travel, legal, religious, philosophical matters.

With uransu conj MC do you work with computer or technologies?
How to find your career- sticky in Vocational Forum
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=32775
please give some background ie: education, aspirations, options

planets conj MC
http://rugdeeaustralia.tripod.com/id18.html
http://www.skyviewzone.com/articles/asrticle3sc.htm
 

Shuter

Well-known member


I try that equal houses, sounds interesting. My experience so far is that Campanus fits at me most. But I didnt really much research in this field.

About Uranus at MC ... well I have som technical skills but no I dont work with technology or computers much. I am trying to expand my knowledge in some areas, but I am not really a tech freak. I was before as child, now it is not so hot anymore.

I have a degree in political science from one of the best university here around, but no job in that field and not really much options to find one soon. Next year I am planing to apply for PhD, so that is at least something.

Well, the truth is .. at the moment I feel really kind of desilusioned, depresed, I am losing my goals and drive .. and dont really know what to do. What interests me and what dont ... I hope it stops soon.
 
in Equal house your sun,mecury and pluto are ALL in 9th house.

Ruler of the Twelfth House in the Ninth House
Past life experiences have a bearing on your belief systems in this lifetime. You may have past life connections to your in-laws and you could have issues to work out with them. If this is the case, you will have to forgive them in order to elevate yourself.
You may experience confusion and doubt about orthodox religious belief systems at some point. Self-righteousness can work against you. Allow others to walk their own path. True enlightenment cannot be taught. It must be experienced.
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/houserulerships.htm#hr10

I think T Saturn conj sun will be the least of your problems as it progresses onto mercury/pluto and square natal moon.
 

Shuter

Well-known member
Yes .. a great time is coming up it seams ... Any planet standing on my Mercury, makes at the sametime aspects to half of all other planets. Besides Pluto and Sun, a quadrate on Moon, there is a sextil on Jupiter-Mars to. So it is not only bad, but most probably it will be no good time. The thing is I dont even remeber what happend in such cases. In the time Sun was transited by Saturn, I mostly was isolated and lacked any social contacts (or at least the last time, it is the only one that i remember good) .. but what happend when the transit continued to Mercury-Pluto and Moon .. i have no idea.
 

Shuter

Well-known member
What's also interesting is that the Sun rules the 7th, indicating that there is the possibility of a new relationship arising as a result of this transit.


One more question to this. In the past as I had a square and a opposition from Saturn on my natal Sun, where there too a possibility for a new relationship or is this possible only with the conjunction?

Thank you.
 
One more question to this. In the past as I had a square and a opposition from Saturn on my natal Sun, where there too a possibility for a new relationship or is this possible only with the conjunction?

Thank you.

personally I would say neither, saturn is a *malific* planet and tends to cause delays frustrations and limitations.

For romance last year T Jupiter formed oppositions to your sun, this 'should have been' opportunities for socialising and romance??

At the moment ruler of 5th mercury in scorpio is receiving an opposition from Jupiter, again this could suggests opportunties for socialising and romance.
You could also research your secondary progressions and solar arcs...

progressed planets
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=266189&postcount=8

solar arcs try these threads.
http://www.kepler.edu/videos/0902SolarArc/Stathis_SolarArc_Feb09.pdf
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12024&highlight=solar+arcs
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12958&highlight=solar+arcs
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6691&highlight=solar+arcs
http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/rectification.html
http://www.frankstar.com/solararc.htm
http://thezodiac.com/arcs.htm
http://www.donmc.com/Comparing%20Transits%20and%20Solar%20Arcs%20II.htm
http://en.mimi.hu/astrology/solar_arc_directions.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrological_progression

http://www.bernadettebrady.com/Pdfs/...tification.pdf
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12024&highlight=solar+arcs
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12958&highlight=solar+arcs
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6691&highlight=solar+arcs
http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/rectification.html
http://www.frankstar.com/solararc.htm
http://thezodiac.com/arcs.htm
http://www.donmc.com/Comparing%20Transits%20and%20Solar%20Arcs%20II.htm
http://en.mimi.hu/astrology/solar_arc_directions.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrological_progression

http://www.bernadettebrady.com/Pdfs/...tification.pdf
 

MaeMae

Banned
Generally, Saturn's transits to Sun can reduce vitality ~ usually though, that "vitality" that saturn squelches has some kind of negative influence on the native, such as the party boy or shopaholic or devoted mate whose activities have been un-self serving. Saturn comes along asking, is this who you really want to be? Usually on some core level, one has to admit, in reality, that their self~expression has been un~authentic in some way. Saturn desires authenticity for all. Often, this realization creates downer moods for Sun, because Sun realizes that the vitality it's been accustomed to has to change.
Always look at what house Sun rules and planets in that house which will show where and what helpers or hinderers you can rely on to meet Saturn's challenge of authenticating.
Think of it as you would if you were taking an old valuable heirloom to auction, and the appraisers out it through the wringer ~
"nicks here, this corner was refinished but not completed, this piece was valuable 10 years ago, but it is devalued now."
this is what saturn transiting sun does, in essence. appraises and helps determine authenticity and condition of one's life and energies.
 
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