"The relationship of everything to everything else", Macrocosm/Microcosm effect. The appearance or reason for the outter planets to quantify on a continuous qualifying basis, a spiritual oftentimes material revolutionary result; an awakening or reason for their appearances, that equate possibly experiences with consideration to mass accomplishments affecting a greater world cohesive togetherness. They make appearance in divergent ages considered to be on a precipace of being able to establish breaking ground enlighteining theories.
The moderns are of a theory that includes expansion necessary to improvements; to areas reflecting foundational free thinking values. The one, transformed against the value of many for example; the worthfulness as statement to deliver preimenant new age considerations as an emergence for the cause of continuation of mankind. Of Star Trek fame, Spock once said, "the one for the many" a media statement, the new planets give metaphor to. Coinciding to the discovery of these outer planets oftentimes brought into effect new successful experiments that contributed to lessening the ailments of an expansive world's population.
As populations increase these moderns also herald in new principalities changing or fine tuning laws needful to be put in place as we expand in our thinking to embrace a wider scope of values that must take into consideration a continent or collective expansiveness, with considerations of establishing world peace.
It is complementary to an outer planets hidden intrinsic worth, that they would be discovered of a certain era, to be revealed of elements or energies that usher in new age theory related to various experiences the traditional planets don't adequately cover in explanation. Astrologically interpreted, they represent definitive elements that help us deliver more caring empathetic responses, as we are able to recognize a higher purpose of life that a statistic observance of there effectiveness will reference with careful study. So on a greater awareness level they represent myriad various experiences capable of being integrated into a world consciousness for improvement.
The outer's give meanings towards expansive evolutionary thinking, they make reference to reasons why an age ever increasing in population brings in new ways of thinking; corrections instituting mass elevating measures towards philosophical, psychological and physical advances, often traced to successfully implemtating balanced foundations principled into law or legal edicts. They give evidence, metaphorically if not Astrologically speaking, to an age or era ready to emerge by the awareness of their occult influences to their deeper revelations/causes, helping us develop a wider viewpoint to the personal that eventually is considered in the collective mind, the vastness of the psych eventually merging as one, that often results to facilitating and accomplishing mass healing by faith from a belief in an ideal, an example is the Waters of Lords that are claimed to heal.
Traditional values are 'tried as steel against steel' against the elements the outers constantly represent on a wider scale, giving rise to ever changing value systems. As new ways of thinking are introduced, new laws for forgiveness or the awakening to the outer planet's message is awakened unto us..Agape love. (With an awareness of Uranus/Aquarius Utopian ideal accomplishes adding to Venus/Neptune energies.)
Understanding the role they rep represent or play in changing public attitudes convexly often reflects a societies downfall rather than a saving grace, i.e.; consider Rome and just recently, England's Bank systems, resources on a grand scale-under fire. They are the ways and means of an era's meaningfulness=a process of sifting.
Modern or Traditional, all planets should be considered in delineation efforts, as every planet facilitates by an association energy or aspect to help correct and understand how we may better our natures, deflecting singularity or selfish ideals which only serve to develop group crystallization thinking; a stagnant force that makes us inert-we find we are deficient to acquiring new social skills and any possible advancements the outer planets will bring or represent for us we find we are unable to demonstrate towards their higher messages, which could help to serve or implement progress or improvements. Unable to merge together as a cohesive working unit towards any future development possibilities of evolution of a province is not to give credence to the power the outers offer when joined in harmonious or discordant blends with the traditional solar system planets.
To my understanding advancement stops without the knowledge of why they appear when they do, and not to include them in Astrological technique is negligent of our possible ability to save by the outers grace energies being recognized. Example: Mundane charts reflecting a province's collective thinking making known influences that possibly energize activities directed by aspects to the ponderous ones: propounding on a national basis, failure of crops, terrorist activities, etc.
The (Sun) as an integral force will always be challenged to survive as a whole against the forces of the Moderns, and often times stressful aspects he makes to these outers or ponderous ones (consideration to the context of the question asked must be made) represent outside forces that challenge him to his continuation as a life force. Of a higher movement should the Sun be able to resonate the outer's true message, he (Sun) may set into motion, (taking on the clock of politic, if other testimonies in the chart permit) serves a higher course to history-a revelation to their true worth in changing world events.
Saturn does not reflect a group evidence per say of death as the outer Pluto's vast meaning does. Pluto might reference the Sun's discordant aspect to him telling us to avoid the masses for our protection. Pluto is farther in distance from the earth than Uranus or Neptune and yet he is well known to be involved with aspects that represent mass politic of destruction or movements to further our good as a collective body to improve our associations nationally. Pacts with other nations often are inaugurated by his benign aspects, again in context to the question-allowing. The outer's making reference to cooperation efforts on a world wide scale can mean the difference of war or peace. As new era's approach the parents\moderns that affect these types of events make of necessity themselves known for the well-fair of collective spiritual awareness.
Hershel is one such planet that represents atomic forces aiding or destroying affecting hundreds of thousands of people. He appeared 100 years approx. before Madam Curry arrived, insuring in her discovery of atomic energy. Saturn does not give adequate likeness to his effectiveness to cure cancer; as chemotherapy, radiation does, Uranus owns subject matter to these activities, Neptune figuring in. Uranus as lord of Aquarius represents a higher ideal of awareness that must be understood should we be able to survive, using his powers for the collective good. His hands across the water join in the efforts of union of friendships assured that his Utopian energies create an ultimate power to save, rather than to be used towards complete extinction.
When we go astray in our indulgences that in veritably engulfs national concerns of increasing diseases such as Cancer, his worth being well known as curative, the evidence of his appearance as Father to Saturn's concerns is then quite evident. We were not aware of certain outer's until we as a society began to become occultly collective in our thinking, our need to reach out to other's and discover new cures brings us back to the realization the parenting effect outers are able to supplant to other planets, to step in for additional helps where other Solar bodies do not suffice to represent.
It is the hard knock value structural reasoning (traditional observance of the 7 planets) pitted against the acceptance of the newer appearances of our solar system outer planets that we must integrate into chart reading, each outer planet is unique to helping us to reflect upon our improvement of attitudes; those of self serving or the expansive principle of consideration for the other guy. They are the answer to problems that help us reach our inner child, developing a more successful psychology to a satisfying existence if only we are able to integrate and give understanding to the greater cause of mankind these bodies represent in the Horary and Natal map.
My Saturn is commingled with Neptune in the public sign of Libra in hiding in my second house in an exalted state. They both together as energies give reference to exalting possessions as a form of developing value systems physical contact creates from touching, objects creating sensory stimulation that reflect character/temperament traits; such as food as a solace giving comfort. An appreciation of form, balance-value of beauty, wishing to reach to Venus pinnacle expressions in life surfaces as work; my trade or occupation as hairstylist. Art is my hobby, poetry and math developed talents to reach higher realms in expression. A mild stellium; Sun, Jupiter, Venus of metaphysical 9th makes for some prophecy attributes resonating in the Saturn/Neptune placements. Moon helping in the 1st house in sensitive Virgo lending her trine to Venus, Sun, Jupiter-not in that order.
Venus makes no aspect with Saturn or to Neptune and as as ambassador to the signs Taurus/Libra figures into a self image that must experience refinement by symmetry or improved (being a Taurus Venus represents me struggling to remove herself from detriment at the 29th degree of Aries in Saturn's/Mars last degree in the 9th house, as she is in orb with Jupiter to make a conjunction with him in Taurus) knowledge to affect balance. Venus near Jupiter gathers unto her a higher value that strives to diminished her detriment estate. Her her association with him also served to gormandize an inordinate appreciation of food, therefore an up and down syndrome of weight loss and gain, aided by the assistance of weight loss drugs, (Saturn near Neptune). The Moon leaving a trine with her translates the energy to Jupiter and then to my Sun, who joys in the 9th, Jupiter protects by his closeness to Venus, and with the Moon in the 1st house near Regulus on my Ascendant the constant fluctuation of weight loss and gain has no lasting harmful effect (still hoping, am 65) on my heart (Sun) or health, Moon is water retention and flow of fluids in Virgo, the intestine, with an ability to represent a flushing of toxins necessary for intestinal health.
Saturn in Libra, Capricorn lord has left his post or domain removed to the 5th house, Capricorn there, Saturn in Libra gives me great joy in being a parent, the 5th house gave me reason for continued hope in life itself for the great good to develop a child into successful adulthood. A child balances my higher thoughts of communion with the Father.
Should I have known at an early age that Capricorn on the 5th concerned the destiny of children to make some consideration to safeguarding his concerns there, there would have been less strife for my child and myself where they are concerned.
Saturn in Libra with Neptune also was instrumental of attracting an older man for romance, he being in the entertainment field, but Vindemiatrix limited marriage prospects considerably.
Sorry for redundancies
Off my soap box-hope I didn't get off topic too much..
Love the thread
All the best
Vyri
transiting Aries for the last 7 years or so. Unless it started earlier than that.
