If only I had known about Sabian symbols earlier.
I did a hypnosis the other day that uncovered that as far as career goes, I need to write.
On the same day I discovered Sabian symbols. Surprise surprise. The definition of 17 libra (where my 10th ruler sun is) happens to be the storyteller.
Then I looked at the Sabian symbol for my husband's 10th ruler and he got the definition 'double promise.' Haha lol he's a salesman. He makes double promises all the time.
That's not the Sabian for the 17th degree of Libra, nor is it the Sabian for the 16th or 18th degree of Libra, for that matter and in fact i don't recall a single one of the 360 Sabian Symbols that is a symbol of a story teller. In addition I don't know of a single one of the Sabian Symbols that has the definition of a double promise.
The only conclusion there is to make that whatever set of symbols you found to use are, in fact, not the Sabian Symbols.
Just to provide for the Q.E.D. and anyone's curiosity that is reading this thread I'll provide what is the Sabian Symbol for the 17th degree of Libra as presented, interpreted, and summated by the late, 20th century astrologer, and master symbologist, Dane Rudhyar. I was also going to post the Sabian Symbol as Marc Edmond Jones had published it but I can't seem to find the file, I had, in which has that set but there isn't much in difference in the two other than Jones pretty much left them as to the letter in which the clairvoyant, Elsie Wheeler, first gave her descriptions of them to Jones. That is after Dane Rudhyar had figured out that they represent a process of transformation when read in exact sequence and noticed that a few didn't fit in. Jones was caught red handed, so to speak, and had to retract and Rudhyar even forced his hand so as to where Jones had to publish the entire 360 symbols as they were given in the exact descriptions as Elsie had described them. He then, not only, gave Dane his permission to publish a book on the entire set he gave Dane his blessing by consenting to Dane the right to refine the descriptions in any manner that Dane saw fit as to make them more understandable for everyone. Dane had studied many philosophies, and philosophers, and particularly Carl Jung, whom was, and still is, the recognized foremost authority on symbology.
Dane, for the most part , didn't change all that many and most of those that He did are but very subtle changes of the descriptions, although there are a few that He did change as to something that appears to be something entirely different but even in regards to those very few Dane, in the interpretation informs the reader that He changed it, gives Elsies original description, and then proceeds to inform you why the symbol He has changed it to is of the same precept. The greatest example of which is the 30th degree of Aquarius, in my opinion.
A number of authors have published books on the 360 Sabian Symbols and all that I've come across so far, and have read, have altered a great number of them either as to the symbol itself and, or, the interpretation. I've been studying the Sabian Symbols for nearly 35 years now and working with them all that time as well, and I have to state that only Dane's is the set that one can trust in complete confidence. Although astrologer, and so called, current living authority on the Sabian Symbols, Lynda Hill, has a book published giving Her interpretations and she has even changed a few that needed to be so as for the reason that people of non western cultures might more easily understand those in particular. For example what would the image Santa Claus mean to someone of a remote village in China or India or that of a "Flapper" during the 1920's in America mean to them as well? Which by the way, Dane changed that image given Elsie in the 1930's of a "Flapper" to one more contemporary to the times when He published his book in 1973 [20 years after Jones had his published by the way and is an testimony in itself as to how much time he did give to the study of the Sabian Symbols before He felt that his book was ready for publication] and changed the imagery to one of a more as like that of a "Hippy" . But even Lynda Hill doesn't quite measure up to Dane's mastery in my, and a number of other astrologers and symbologists opinions, but her book is fine as a supplemental addition to consult at times. The one author I have yet to check out is Bovee's work and I personally find it interesting that Bovee [spelled Bove in Italy] was my paternal grandmother's maiden name.
I do advise staying away from any other set of Symbols that are not the Sabian Symbols. I seen many such a set over the years and I am presently dumbfounded as to why Robert Hand is promoting an obscure set of degree symbols from a Frenchman of the early 19th century, because they just don't work. While Robert has one heck of a reputation and has many books published I'm not impressed by any of that as to be a reason for any claim that there is to his "expertise" in astrological knowledge and the techniques He employs, Dane just leaves him is his dust and there are other astrologers that are far better at it too for that matter...imho...but as for the Sabian Symbols, Dane Rudhyar is the indisputable master from day he first came to a complete understanding of them as being representative of a cycle of transformation that is found in everything in creation that is of a cyclic nature and informed all that they are not limited in application to just astrology and He is still, yet to this day, the master, there's no one better and in fact no one his equal... imho, of course
A final note of caution to all. I discovered just a few evenings ago...and I don't know why it took me so long to catch on, that the set of Sabian Symbols available at the mindfire website that appears to be a word for wrd copy of the 360 Sabian Symbols as Dane had published in his book in fact aren't. I can't say that all of them aren't and they're likely not, but I spent an entire evening a few nights ago just correcting, that is to say restoring the original descriptions and interpretations as Dane had published them, just the last 15 degrees of Sagittarius, of the set I downloaded from mindfire which I have been using here at this forum.
As Dane's book has never been issued in "E" form it had been perceived by me to be a blessing so as to be able to simply copy and paste them when need. I shouldn't have wrote above that mindfire has altered the descriptions of the symbols themselves as I haven't yet found any as such, although there may well be, but I spent an entire evening just rectifying the interpretations and summations given for just the last six degrees of Sagittarius. It was within those degrees that I first noticed the fact that changes had been made and whiles couple of them had only been changed so as to make Dane's text gender non-specific, as Dane was "old school" in his style of writing, they left out entire sentences, misspelled some words and did a botched job of it all around. So if anyone is using the mindfire set for reference please be aware of this. I certainly dread having to go over every post I've ever made at this forum in which I used the mindfire set so as to copy and paste from it, and that has been what I've been doing for about the last five years, give or take a couple of months. So if anyone does read any post I made since then, or for that matter any that PhoenixVenus made as well...as it was she that told me of mindfire's set and that is what she has been using for the same purpose, keep that in mind and try to consult the published work by Dane if you do have a copy.
Unfortunately, the last time I checked, Dane's book is still out of publication and people are asking for well over a hundred dollars for a used copy of the paperback edition which sold for only a bit less than fifteen dollars the last time I bought a copy, in fact I bought two copies, as gifts. I've worn my first copy to tatters that I bought for myself in 1984 and the second copy I bought for myself around 2005 to such a degree that I've had to make a single copy out of the two, and the copy I bought in '84 is larger in page size
Anyways, as I wrote above, here's the Sabian Symbol for the 17th degree of Libra, I just checked it thoroughly over and only found one error and that was a single word that was misspelled. I should state at this time, that I have never corrected what was originally italicized text in the book other than the "Keynote" phrase, which is always italicized in Danes book. Perhaps I should start doing so. There is only one word as so in the main text of interpretation.
From Dane Rudhyar's masterful work on the 360 Sabian Symbols,"An Astrological Mandala. The Cycle of Transformation And It's 360 Symbolic Phases" The 17th degree of Libra.
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LIBRA 17°: A RETIRED SEA CAPTAIN WATCHES SHIPS ENTERING AND LEAVING THE HARBOR.
KEYNOTE: The capacity to gain an objective and calm understanding of human experiences in which one was once deeply involved.
Old age may or may not bring to man this objective and calm understanding as one remembers the crises overcome and the quiet enjoyment of great life vistas or 'peak experiences', but wisdom and inner serenity can hardly develop save on the basis of the overcoming of struggles and conflicts. The sea captain' sailed his ship through storms and still waters of consciousness, his mind perhaps battered by gales, his ego-crew perhaps in revolt. Now there is peace and quietude. Another generation is sailing seas better charted perhaps, yet inherently non-rational and at times savage in their fury. He watches. He knows. Others are learning. At any age the ego-will may 'retire' and contemplate, and be at peace before a greater voyage over even more poorly charted seas.
At this second stage we see a picture of true overcoming of storms, in polar opposition to the preceding one which revealed the destructive effect of psychic upheavals tearing apart the occult link — the antakarana — between the incarnate consciousness and the transcendent Soul-field, the CALM MIND beyond struggles and victories.
I apologize for any editing that should have been more thoroughly pursued as to the main body of text of my post, other than that as given for the 17th degree of Libra, as I have a busy morning ahead of me.
Thanks, hopefully, for your understanding
ptv
