Remedial Astrology: Supporting Venus and Jupiter

dr. farr

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Supporting Jupiter and Venus: Remedial Astrology

Most important is the direction of one's thoughts and emotions toward positive Venus and Jupiter qualities: a happy outlook, expansiveness, optimism, hope for the future, a fair, reasoning and just outlook, tempered with mercy and empathy, kindness toward oneself as well as toward others, LOVE-all these are energies which resonate with the qualities of Venus and Jupiter: fill your energy field with these feelings and thought-qualities-by your WILL in directing your thoughts-and you will attract the "rays" of Venus and Jupiter into your field. Cultivate these qualities in your inner life and you will cultivate Venus and Jupiter within yourself.


However, there are other "objective" measures, based on traditional planetary affinities, which can also be incorporated into supporting these planetary influences within your energy (bioenergetic) field. One need not use all of these measures, but at least some should be followed:

Some examples:

+aromas, that is perfumes, scents for the air in the home, incense:
-sweet, flowery aromas; jasmine; musk; light and fragrant scents; ROSE (Venus), rosemary, sage: these should be used
-very heavy odors, spicy scents, peppery scents, sharp odors, astringent scents, smoke scents, should be avoided (heavy = Saturn, sharp, peppery = Mars)

+tastes: that is, the flavors of foods, candy, condiments, drinks
-sweet taste (but not overly sugar) is affinitive to both Venus and Jupiter; also mild (bland) taste (Moon) and salty (but not overly salted-also affinitive to Moon)
-bitter taste is most important to avoid (Mars and Saturn); sour and astringent tastes should be minimal; pungent/spicy (Mars) also should be kept to a minimum

+colors: that is, colors you wear, colors in your home environment
-white, green (light green and bright green, NOT dark or dull green), lemon color (bright) pink (light pink), all are Venus affinitive (white also for Jupiter); saffron excellent for Jupiter; also turquoise, light or bright blue color (Jupiter); silver also (Moon affinitive)
-black, brown, dark, indigo, grey, heavy colors (of any hue) should be avoided (Saturn affinitive); red, scarlet, crimson also (Mars affinitive); gold, bright yellow, orange are Sun affinitive-however Sun might not be the best influence to emphasize when trying to support Venus and Jupiter so exposure to these colors should be kept minimal; violet (Mercury affinitive) also should be kept minimal; purple is affinitive to Jupiter and can be used, but it should be a bright purple, not a dull or reddish dominated or dark purple color (these would connect it more with Saturn or-if reddish dominated-with Mars)

+personal ornaments (stones, crystals, jewellery, metals worn on the body)
-copper (Venus) and tin (Jupiter) should be used; silver (Moon) also; however, no nickel plated items (nickel affinitive to Mars); gems/crystals to be considered are green colored stones (Venus), silver or white (but not black) pearls (Moon), clear and also white stones or crystals, pink hued stones/crystals, also bright blue stones and turquoise
-iron, steel, nickel-plated items, black or brown stones or crystals, dark colored ones of any hue; red, orange, violet, grey stones/gems/crystals should be avoided; there is a question about yellow stones and crystals: this again brings in a Sun affinity, which is not what we are really looking for here, this also applies to wearing gold itself-I would suggest either eliminating gold during this time, or keeping exposure to gold (and to golden and yellow stones) to a minimum
 
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dr. farr

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Supporting Venus and Jupiter: Remedial Astrology

+foods: this is a very broad subject, and only highlights are given here: always remember that a well-balanced diet is the most important consideration!

-foods to favor: all types of nuts (Jupiter); rice, barley, rich but NOT heavy foods (Jupiter); olives, olive oil (for cooking), also sesame seed oil, and other vegetable oils (Jupiter); apples, pomergranate, pears, peaches, cherry (sweet) , berries (sweet) are all affinitive to Jupiter; sweet fruit and sweet fruit juices in general (Venus)are to be encouraged-sour or bitter fruits, vegetables and juices should be kept to a minimum (Saturn infuence); lettuce of all types, cabbage are to be encouraged (Moon influence especially, but mild flavored green above-ground vegetables of all types also are affinitive to Venus energy)
; sweet melons (Venus, Moon), again avoid sour or bitter melons (Saturn); sweet oranges (Venus) and tomato's, sweet pickles, sweet yams (Venus) are indicated; peas (Jupiter); corn (maize) as well (Venus)
; relative to meats-lamb (Jupiter), liver (Jupiter) fish and shellfish (Venus-Moon-Pisces/Cancer), chicken (white meat) and eggs (Venus; eggs also Moon, especially egg white), are all indicated
;mild, cheeses, white cheeses, sweet cheeses, cream cheese (Venus/Moon)
;relative to seasonings (condiments): sugar (in moderation: Venus influence), salt (again in moderation:Moon influence), saffron, rosemary, sage (all Jupiter), vanilla, bay, parsley leaf, celery leaf (all Venus) would be indicated for seasoning purposes

-foods, condiments (seasonings) to be kept to minimum use: pork (Mars/Saturn),aged meats (Saturn/Mars), most sausages (Mars), aged and/or sharp cheeses,use of lard or animal-derived fats/oils for cooking (Mars)
:many root vegetables (such as potatoes, turnips, etc-all connected with Saturn energy) should be reduced to a minimal use-however sweet yam's connection to Venus would allow and encourage its consumption
;bitter, sour or astringent fruits, juices or other drinks (Saturn tendency) should be eliminated or kept to a minimum
;spicy/hot, pungent foods should be reduced, therefore minimal use of chilis, pepper, cayenne, paprika, mustard (all under Mars); also minimal use of peppermint, spearmint (Mars; some Mercury influence as well) mint sauce in general
;lemons, limes, due to sour/bitter taste, should also be kept to minimal use (when trying to support Venus and Jupiter energetic qualities); sour or bitter melons are to be limited or excluded; same for sour cream; sour pickles, and all pickled food products
 
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beginner

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What will happen if venus/jupiter is ill placed in natal chart, does boosting planets which are ill placed also increase negative affects? of it just increase positive affects?
and one more question, if a planets is in average (neither good nor bad) placed and doing remedy related to specific donation to that planet will decreases its malefic affects or its decreases positive affects too?
 

dr. farr

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No, remedial effects boost the constructive, balanced quality of the planet (as it effects the individual's field) Malefic (negative, disruptive) influences are diminished and balanced (constructive, resonant) influences of the planet upon the person's field, are enhanced. Basically, the principle is that remedial astrology modifies planetary influences upon the subject's field, toward balance (using remedial measures one cannot make a negative or disruptive influence, worse, you can only move that influence toward resonant balance)
 

Kaiousei no Senshi

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Please note that Dr. Farr's above answer is not the way of it when it comes to planetary talismans. Do not construct or purchase a talisman for a planet that is heavily debilitated in your chart.

However, other Hermetic and Vedic remedies for planets that are debilitated in your chart (like the ones Dr. Farr posted about) are fine.
 

beginner

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most vedic astrologers don't recommend to wear any gemstone of debilated planet neither they suggest any thing related to to debilated planet. Why? :unsure:
only they suggest mantra related to that specific planet, and in their views boosting debilitated planet is bad so only mantra is useful (a/c to them)





I fully agree with the above post: effective talismans are a seperate and specialized matter.




Please note that Dr. Farr's above answer is not the way of it when it comes to planetary talismans. Do not construct or purchase a talisman for a planet that is heavily debilitated in your chart.

However, other Hermetic and Vedic remedies for planets that are debilitated in your chart (like the ones Dr. Farr posted about) are fine.
 

Kaiousei no Senshi

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beginner,

It's sort of the difference between empowerment and propitiation. When one uses a talisman of some kind (be it an actually crafted talisman or a gemstone that sort of serves as one), you're seeking to empower a planet. You don't want to empower a debilitated planet because then you are welcoming that planet's negative significations more into your life and on your own body. When you use a non-talismanic remedial measure, you don't have to worry about it so much.

However, mantras and propitiation are different because then you're basically trying to make that debilitated planet be nice to you.
 

dr. farr

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There are differences also in meaning: debilititated means weakened, lacking; malefic means actively disruptive: we want to strengthen a debilitated planet in our field (energy field), so strengthening remedies are used; however we don't want to invoke debilitated energy into our field, so we don't use a talisman of the debilitated planet. Relative to a malefic influence (actively functionally malefic planetary influence), we don't want to strengthen that, nor do we want to invoke that energy into our field by using a talisman of the malefic planet, nor a gemstone affinitive to that malefic planet: with malefics, the goal is to propitiate that force, ie, to use various measures to neutralize that malefic (actively disruptive) influence in our field.

Talismans can be used to offset actively malefic planetary influences in our field, by the principle of opposites: eg, say Saturn is a functional malefic for a given person: we can use a talisman of Jupiter, to invoke the benefic Jovian influence and thereby counter that malefic Saturnine influence.
 

preeshuu

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Morning Dr Farr:smile:

i am still lil confused on the malefics and benefics .... shall we look upon on the fuctaional benefics and malefics or we shud consider the basic functinality along with the placements eg 6/8/12

thnks
 

Ryan Kurczak

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most vedic astrologers don't recommend to wear any gemstone of debilated planet neither they suggest any thing related to to debilated planet. Why? :unsure:

I'm not sure that is accurate. Advising stones for debillitated planets can be very good. I have only heard one astrologer mention this previously, but the consensus seems to be the other way. Wearing a stone for a planet in bad dignity can be very helpful in regards to what that planet represents.

Also, please consider that for gemstone therapy to really work, the stone has to be precisely chosen and it is good if one's Mars is in a good dignity. A good Mars gives better success with gemstones.

As for precise prescription, there is a lot more to a planet than debility in the main chart. There are divisional charts and certain avasthas that can help a debillitated planet work even better than an exalted planet. This needs to be considered.
 

Ryan Kurczak

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Talismans can be used to offset actively malefic planetary influences in our field, by the principle of opposites: eg, say Saturn is a functional malefic for a given person: we can use a talisman of Jupiter, to invoke the benefic Jovian influence and thereby counter that malefic Saturnine influence.

Also note, that Jupiter CAN be a disruptive influence for Libra or Gemini ascendant, for example. Saturn can be a quite constructive influence for a Libra. This again is why we need to look at many factors before following simple rules, like Jupiter is always good, or Saturn is always bad.

Jupiter in bad dignity ruling your 5th house, and placed in your 7th or 9th can cause children to wreck your marriage or relationships. Saturn in good dignity in the 6th or the 10th can give you victory over enemies and good status and reputation. It depends on numerous factors.
 

dr. farr

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Both the above posts point out the great importance of taking a holistic look at the nature and qualities of each INDIVIDUAL astro-therapeutic situation, and then making remedial choices based upon that individualized case: generic indications as found in the several books on this subject are valuable as guidelines to developing the individualized remedial protocol, but all such protocols must be individualized in order to be successful in their application...
 

astrowanderer

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Re: Remedial Astrology: Saturn antardasha and saturn aspect on 4th house moon

Can a Saturn aspect on 4th house Moon placed in Cancer for an Aries ascendant play havoc with his or her health during Saturn antardasha? Does Saturn (1oth house) aspect nullify all the good qualities of moon?:whistling:
Astrowanderer
 

dr. farr

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Re: Remedial Astrology: Saturn antardasha and saturn aspect on 4th house moon

For me (that is, from my perspective) the answer depends entirely upon the sarvashtakavarga bindu totals for Saturn (and also for Moon in this specific question)
If the sarva bindu total for Saturn is low (making the planet a defacto functional malefic) the answer is yes; if the sarva bindu count for Saturn is high (above average), making Saturn a defacto functional benefic the answer is no. As others use shadbala and/or avastha evaulative methods to arrive at answers to such questions as these, I instead rely totally upon ashtakavarga (bhinnashtakavarga and particularly sarvashtakavarga) evaluation in my Vedic astrological experiments.
 

astrowanderer

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Re: saturn antardasha for so-called benefic saturn

Sir,

Can you please suggest best remedies for saturn antardasha? I am having saturn in the 10th house for aries ascendant and am told it is benefic. It is also aspecting my 4th house moon but I have been told that even a benefic saturn needs to be spritually appeased. Can someone please suggest remedies?

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