FranzSchubert
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What's the most reliable timing technique you've bumped into? What was your first exposure to it, and what made you start employing it in your practice? What anecdotes have you been most impressed by?
To share my own take here: After some time now spent on profections, transits, planetary years/days, primary directions, triplicity lords, ZR, SR charts, and a few others I've dabbled in (but mostly profections, primary directions, SR charts, transits), I've been a bit underwhelmed ultimately with the results. Whatever success I've had with particular occurrences (and there have been a few) are so few that I can safely chalk them up to base intuition/happenstance.
The most practically reliable/impressive indicators I've thus far run into have been profections (specifically annual profections from asc and sect light), which are 90% of the time good indicators for the general flavor/theme of any given year I'm looking at. But, having spent many hundreds of hours researching and attempting to utilize the others, the results have been a tad bit underwhelming to say the least. Even profections don't do what they're supposedly meant to as far as activated planetary transits go, which more often than not -even when all traditional indicators suggest otherwise- do absolutely nothing even during the most extreme transits.
There are supposedly methods out there for predictions of a more concrete nature, but at least with all of the western techniques I've thus far come across- I have yet to find one that works for me in that way. *All* (without exception) praises/assessments of *any* of these techniques accessible online (that I am aware of) are exercises in post-hoc rationalizations (or at least they can be construed as such) rather than actually floating predictions+documenting the realization of the outcome.
How much time does the average traditionalist/predictive astrologer spend reading such material? X thing happens to Y native/thing, Z astrologer writes up a 10 page dissertation explaining why it is that their particular assortment of astrological factors explain why X happened to Y in the manner that it did, with no one delineation of the sort looking anything like the next. These are of course entertaining reads, but is anyone actually getting it right out there?
Is there anyone reading this that has been able to escape this rut, or knows of someone who has? There are many staunch proponents of X or Y techniques (see: Z astrologer(s)) who after many years of proselytizing the merits of their preferred technique still don't seem to be able to actually apply them toward accurate event/outcome delineations. Besides the few who do it for the grift, why is this? From where do they derive the motivation to, year after year, keep engaging with the same techniques that never bare fruit?
The veidics seem to have a better reputation for accuracy in this respect than western traditionalists do, but that's just the impression I've gotten over the years. Many stories told through the grapevine of veidic astrologers predicting exact dates of marriage, death, property acquisition, precise illnesses, when it's going to rain etc. I myself have dabbled in the dasha system and have certainly found it to be quite accurate, but not any moreso I would say than annual profections or ZR. Hard to say.
Some of the more militant proponents of "free will" won't like me saying this, but the fact of the matter is that -If from a chart a seasoned astrologer can accurately discern significant features of temperament/constitution/history in a native without knowing them (and this much is empirically observable)- then it follows that predicting real future events/outcome(s) shouldn't be too far off. And yet it certainly seems to be. Why?
Is it the case that the relatively few fragments of insight from older sources that we have to work are still decades away from being refined to a practically functional condition? If so, would it not be more fruitful for people to move over to the veidic system which seems to have done a better job at preserving itself over the years in its ability to provide real world utility in the modern age?
Any book recommendations anyone has to go with this topic, feel free to share them here as well.
To share my own take here: After some time now spent on profections, transits, planetary years/days, primary directions, triplicity lords, ZR, SR charts, and a few others I've dabbled in (but mostly profections, primary directions, SR charts, transits), I've been a bit underwhelmed ultimately with the results. Whatever success I've had with particular occurrences (and there have been a few) are so few that I can safely chalk them up to base intuition/happenstance.
The most practically reliable/impressive indicators I've thus far run into have been profections (specifically annual profections from asc and sect light), which are 90% of the time good indicators for the general flavor/theme of any given year I'm looking at. But, having spent many hundreds of hours researching and attempting to utilize the others, the results have been a tad bit underwhelming to say the least. Even profections don't do what they're supposedly meant to as far as activated planetary transits go, which more often than not -even when all traditional indicators suggest otherwise- do absolutely nothing even during the most extreme transits.
There are supposedly methods out there for predictions of a more concrete nature, but at least with all of the western techniques I've thus far come across- I have yet to find one that works for me in that way. *All* (without exception) praises/assessments of *any* of these techniques accessible online (that I am aware of) are exercises in post-hoc rationalizations (or at least they can be construed as such) rather than actually floating predictions+documenting the realization of the outcome.
How much time does the average traditionalist/predictive astrologer spend reading such material? X thing happens to Y native/thing, Z astrologer writes up a 10 page dissertation explaining why it is that their particular assortment of astrological factors explain why X happened to Y in the manner that it did, with no one delineation of the sort looking anything like the next. These are of course entertaining reads, but is anyone actually getting it right out there?
Is there anyone reading this that has been able to escape this rut, or knows of someone who has? There are many staunch proponents of X or Y techniques (see: Z astrologer(s)) who after many years of proselytizing the merits of their preferred technique still don't seem to be able to actually apply them toward accurate event/outcome delineations. Besides the few who do it for the grift, why is this? From where do they derive the motivation to, year after year, keep engaging with the same techniques that never bare fruit?
The veidics seem to have a better reputation for accuracy in this respect than western traditionalists do, but that's just the impression I've gotten over the years. Many stories told through the grapevine of veidic astrologers predicting exact dates of marriage, death, property acquisition, precise illnesses, when it's going to rain etc. I myself have dabbled in the dasha system and have certainly found it to be quite accurate, but not any moreso I would say than annual profections or ZR. Hard to say.
Some of the more militant proponents of "free will" won't like me saying this, but the fact of the matter is that -If from a chart a seasoned astrologer can accurately discern significant features of temperament/constitution/history in a native without knowing them (and this much is empirically observable)- then it follows that predicting real future events/outcome(s) shouldn't be too far off. And yet it certainly seems to be. Why?
Is it the case that the relatively few fragments of insight from older sources that we have to work are still decades away from being refined to a practically functional condition? If so, would it not be more fruitful for people to move over to the veidic system which seems to have done a better job at preserving itself over the years in its ability to provide real world utility in the modern age?
Any book recommendations anyone has to go with this topic, feel free to share them here as well.
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