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david starling

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Oddity said:
As it should be. All it's been used for is to get people the government doesn't like.
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Why suddenly draw attention to it? Can it be used against Trump regarding his desire to keep documents normally archived and considered to be the property of the nation? Apparently, the "declassified" issue doesn't even matter according to the basis of the warrant.

Looks like he had NO INTENTION of turning some of the documents over, and even wants some of them back in his private possession.
 
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Oddity

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david starling said:
Why suddenly draw attention to it? Can it be used against Trump regarding his desire to keep documents normally archived and considered to be the property of the nation? Apparently, the "declassified" issue doesn't even matter according to the basis of the warrant.

Looks like he had NO INTENTION of turning some of the documents over, and even wants some of them back in his private possession.
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It was created during WWI. Then it was used against people protesting the war. Since then it's been used against people like Julian Assange, and anyone else they want to shut up. It's not constitutional. Then again, these days, who cares?
 
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david starling

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Oddity said:
It was created during WWI. Then it was used against people protesting the war. Since then it's been used against people like Julian Assange, and anyone else they want to shut up. It's not constitutional. Then again, these days, who cares?
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How could protesting a war be considered "espionage"? Maybe it's like in Russia, where protesting is considered "giving aid and comfort to the enemy'.
 
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blackbery

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The DOJ had NO probable cause to enter Trump's home, let alone swoop in like gestapo goons & rummage through
Melania's lingerie draw.😏😏

The DOJ REFUSE to unseal the affidavit despite Trump & his lawyers DEMANDING IT, since he was the one whose
rights were violated.☹️☹️


Trump spy chief rejects DOJ argument on keeping Mar-a-Lago affidavit secret​


Former Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe argued in favor of releasing the underlying affidavit for the FBI raid of Mar-a-Lago last week.

"It’s garbage to say that that information couldn’t be redacted so that the remainder of the affidavit that is so important to establishing probable cause is something that we can see," Ratcliffe told host Laura Ingraham.


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Trump spy chief rejects DOJ argument on keeping Mar-a-Lago affidavit secret

Former Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe argued in favor of releasing the underlying affidavit for the FBI raid of Mar-a-Lago last week.
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david starling

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Trump believes in his heart that he's still President, so as President, he doesn't have to archive the Presidential documents until he leaves office.

His Mar A Lago estate is, to him, his new White House, and the documents are still his to possess until he's out of office.

It's an interesting and noteworthy effect of Neptune in Pisces--the ability to firmly believe in an alternative reality.

Trump's version of reality is colliding with the standard version, which has the support of our legal system and law enforcement agencies.
 
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david starling

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Rand Paul still subscribes to the standard reality. That's why he didn't say the Espionage Act is "no longer in effect". He says it SHOULDN'T be, even though it still is. Maybe the Republicans can find a way to get rid of it in standard fashion, possibly utilizing the Conservative majority on the Supreme Court.
 
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david starling

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According to standard rules, ALL White House documents, classified OR NOT, are to be sent to the Archives, once a President leaves office. According to the Archivists, ALL of Obama's documents are now in their possession.

Someone please explain why Trump's documents, again, classified or not, shouldn't ALSO be Archived. He says he's planning to keep some of them. His attorney MISTAKENLY claimed that he'd already complied, and NONE of the documents were still at Mar A Lago. The raid PROVED OTHERWISE.

So, what's the big deal? ALL he has to do is to turn ALL of his White House documents over to the Archives, and have done with it.

KEEPING them in his possession would be UNPRECEDENTED.
 
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david starling

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Well, here it is--laws that Trump broke that led to the search warrant justifying the F.B.I. raid--nothing about classified versus unclassified documents. They're ALL included.

Presidential Libraries and Museums of the National Archives

Learn about Presidential Libraries and Museums Presidential Libraries and Museums promote understanding of the presidency and the American experience. We preserve and provide access to historical materials, support research, and create interactive programs and exhibits that educate and inspire...
archives.gov archives.gov
laws/1978-act.html

An unprecedented law violation by a former President led to an unprecedented raid on the place of residence of that former President.
 
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blackbery

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Another great video by the lawyer Robert Gouvia who goes over the raid with logic, facts & truth.

At last the FBI returned his passports which the fake news claim he never took!

How can they return something that they never took? These pathalogical liars in the Mockingbird whore Media need
to get their lies in order!! 😅😅😅


CBS Caught Scripting Fake News, Narrative Engineer Norah O’Donnell​


“The FBI is not in possession of former President Trump’s passports.” “Trump had accused the FBI of stealing his three passports”…

How does the Dept of Justice return something they did not take?😏😏

Washington DC journalism is stenography for the communist Biden regime. Nothing more.



 
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david starling

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Everyone in the media is making too much of this warrant served at Mar A Lago. Trump's attorney was informed in advance, the FBI entered peacefully, and took a lot of stuff Trump, as a former President, wasn't supposed to have taken home from the White House. It wasn't about nuclear secrets, it was about ALL Presidential documents that, by law, Trump should have turned over to the Archives since they weren't his private property once he left office.

So, the Archives will have them now, and there's no reason for criminal charges to be filed against the former President. He just didn't know any better. If he'd Archived all of the documents "in a timely manner", none of this would have happened.
 
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Oddity

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david starling said:
Well, here it is--laws that Trump broke that led to the search warrant justifying the F.B.I. raid--nothing about classified versus unclassified documents. They're ALL included.

Presidential Libraries and Museums of the National Archives

Learn about Presidential Libraries and Museums Presidential Libraries and Museums promote understanding of the presidency and the American experience. We preserve and provide access to historical materials, support research, and create interactive programs and exhibits that educate and inspire...
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laws/1978-act.html

An unprecedented law violation by a former President led to an unprecedented raid on the place of residence of that former President.
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Since every president ever has taken documents home and kept them (there's a lot of personal stuff in there) I hope this sets a precedent. The FBI should raid every former president's house as a matter of course - with a warrant that looks like nothing more than a fishing expedition.

That'd be okay, wouldn't it? After all, the US is a banana republic now. Be proud!
 
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david starling

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Oddity said:
Since every president ever has taken documents home and kept them (there's a lot of personal stuff in there) I hope this sets a precedent. The FBI should raid every former president's house as a matter of course - with a warrant that looks like nothing more than a fishing expedition.

That'd be okay, wouldn't it? After all, the US is a banana republic now. Be proud!
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Well, that's just it. From Reagan on, which is when the Presidential Records Act took effect, not one former President violated it until now. They can take the records with them, as long as they turn ALL of them over to the Archives.

Trump took a long time to turn them over, and when he did turn some of them over, one of his attorneys wrongly claimed that was all of them. Knowing that wasn't the case, the DOJ thought Trump was deliberately withholding the rest, and got a legally-obtained warrant to take possession of about 20 boxes of those "basement" documents. It wasn't a sudden, surprise "raid". His attorneys knew it was going to happen.

Trump could have saved himself a lot of trouble simply by fully complying with the Presidential Records Act on his own, like former-President Obama did. Now that all of Trump's White House documents are being Archived in accordance with the law, I see no reason for not dropping the charges.
 
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blackbery

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Oddity said:
Since every president ever has taken documents home and kept them (there's a lot of personal stuff in there) I hope this sets a precedent. The FBI should raid every former president's house as a matter of course - with a warrant that looks like nothing more than a fishing expedition.

That'd be okay, wouldn't it? After all, the US is a banana republic now. Be proud!
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The Libs/Dems now openly support fascism (colluding with big tech to silence any critic), nazism (in Ukraine), political persecution &
prosecution of any opponent using the DOJ/FBI as their personal gestapo unit.

The country has no justice for Reps or conservatives anymore. EVERY one of Trump's insider group have been targeted...indicted,
arrested, charged, attacked, put in handcuffs & leg-irons & now the illegal raid on Mr. T's home.
Next, will be a Trump indictment based on false allegations...as always.
The courts will then acquit him.

This is who the Dems are. We are seeing them for exactly the 3rd world tyrants & dictators they are.

The only positive thing about all this banana republic stuff is that even mod Dems know it's gone too far.
Cheney was booted out by a huge margin last night despite her desperate plea to get Dems to vote 4 her
Even they know a RINO, POS TRAITOR when they see it.

Come Nov, when America-First, MAGA candidates take over the House/Senate, there will be REAL investigations & REAL
justice back again.
The Dems think they got away with their crimes because the swamp that they are part of has been
protecting them. Some of the biggest swamp creatures like O'Bummer, Killary, Shifty, Biden, Pelosi etc have committed the
most serious crimes which warrant the death penalty.

The country is going to have a cleansing like its never had before since 1776 when the Patriots took the country
back from the British tyrants. Pluto return.

If we don't have law & order & justice for all, we don't have a republic anymore. May as well just roll up the
mat & move to China. It's the same communist terrorist totalitarian state.

SAVE AMERICA.
MAGA, AGAIN.❤️🇺🇲


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