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david starling

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This article says Trump had received a Grand Jury subpoena back in Spring about returning "sensitive documents".

Also, that Attorney General Garland has asked and received "permission" from a court to publicly unseal the warrant, due to the media outcry, and that Trump's lawyers have already had it in their possession. Judge Reinhardt, who approved the warrant, ordered the DOJ to "respond to a request" by an outside party (Judicial Watch) to unseal the warrant by Aug.15th. Apparently, Garland will be happy to unseal it, if Trump's attorneys, who already have a copy of the warrant, are willing to allow it.

Might be redacted?:unsure:

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david starling

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I think what I'll call the "Acrimony Index" in the U.S. is high, especially because of hyperbole on both sides, but not as high as it was when JFK was assassinated.

Using the made-up acronym "TDS" referring to hatred of Trump by his political opponents, and applying that to Kennedy, "KDS" was much more virulent.
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"The FBI is Beyond Redemption"​

Victor Hanson: 'We Don't Have Rule of Law in Washington ... FBI is Beyond Redemption' -😭😭

Hanson, who was awarded the National Humanities Medal by President George W. Bush, made his remarks on the Aug. 9 edition of FNC's Tucker Carlson Tonight.
Cain asked Hanson why the FBI raided Mar-a-Lago and why were they targeting Trump.

"Well, they're afraid in the short term," he said, in reference to the Democrats and the left, "but in the long term they believe they're morally superior to America, and therefore any means necessary or justifiable for their morally superior ends."
"And right now, we don't have the rule of law in Washington," said Hanson.
"Whether you're targeted or exempt depends on your ideology."😏😏

Hanson, the professor emeritus of Classics at California State University-Fresno, is the author of 22 books.

He continued, "So in the past when there was a dispute over the Archives or presidential papers, Barack Obama just said, 'I'm not going to turn them over to the Freedom of Information. He spent $30 million resisting efforts to do that. George Bush had an Executive Order and said, 'You know what, I'm not going to do this.' And that was adjudicated."

"Now we go after a president and go to his house with 30 agents," said Hanson. "In the past, when a high official was called for a congressional subpoena, Eric Holder just said, 'I'm not going and I'm not turning over any of this fast and furious.'"
"The idea that you would put him in shackles or you confront him with his family and grab his phone is just ridiculous," said Hanson. "But this is what we're doing on an ideological basis."

"And when you start to do that, you don't have a democracy anymore," he added. "And I don't think we do."☹️☹️☹️

As for the FBI, Hanson remarked, "I never thought I would say this: The FBI is beyond redemption.
It is -- all of its bureaus and its institutions that have to be farmed out and broken up. If you have a warrant, an FBI warrant, there is no guarantee that that has not been altered. If you subpoena and you want FBI records on phones ... they will be wiped clean."
"We just saw [FBI Director] Christopher Wray and he just stonewalled every question and then he flew on an FBI plane, our plane, a luxury jet because he had to go to his own vacation spot. He took over, remember, from Andrew McCabe -- what did he do? He lied four times to federal investigators, and his wife was running for an office with Clinton-related PAC money while he was investigating Hillary Clinton's e-mail scandal."
"[McCabe] took over from James Comey who leaked confidential memos written on FBI devices to the media," added Hanson, "and then when he was called before Congress, on 245 occasions, he said, he didn't know or didn't remember."😆

"All of this is destroying this country," said Hanson. "And it comes from the people who warned us democracy dies in darkness, and they have descended upon us, the greatest cloud of autocracy and illiberality in the history of this Republic. ...

[L]et's pray to God the Republicans can save us."



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Any talk about "the Republicans SAVING us" is HH (Hilarious Hyperbole). Unless it's about saving the billionaires from having to pay more taxes! :lol:
The Republicans voted against the new IRS expenditures to audit basically poor and lower-middle-class people. The Dems, to a man, voted to pass that part of the bill - 80,000 new (and armed) IRS agents.

The parties have changed a bit since we were young.

david starling

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The Republicans voted against the new IRS expenditures to audit basically poor and lower-middle-class people. The Dems, to a man, voted to pass that part of the bill - 80,000 new (and armed) IRS agents.

The parties have changed a bit since we were young.

It's a balancing act. We need both Parties in an oppositional system. When one gets too powerful, there's an imbalance. But when they're in full agreement, watch out!

Nothing's really changed as far as I can see. One example of a Republican doing something remarkably good imo was Utah Republican, Senator Orin Hatch, who somehow blocked a bill that would have outlawed the sale of vitamins, herbs and minerals without a doctor's prescription. Meanwhile, the Democrats did well by taking away the "preexisting conditions" loophole for health insurance companies.

The Republicans have always opposed higher taxes, and the Republicans have always been against Govt spending that benefits the less affluent. But, it's the more libertarian of the two Parties on some things, like when it opposes vaxx mandates.

Republicans tend to be more religious-oriented, always trying to blur the line between Church and State.

Seems to me it's about time to legalize cannabis at the Federal level, and leave it up to the States to decide. I recently found out that it's Republicans in the Senate blocking that--it's always been the least libertarian when it comes to personal use of marijuana, even though it's supposedly the "State's Rights" Party.

Democrats are generally better on the Environment than Republicans, which is one my major concerns.

And, so on. Being anti-China was a major Republican cause. They felt betrayed by Nixon, a Republican, when he recognized Red China. They're still accusing the Democrats of being too friendly with China.

Just saying I don't see much difference between Liberals and Conservatives then and now.

david starling

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Apparently, it's now entirely up to Trump to decide whether or not to open the sealed warrant to public viewing. Let's see what he does next. Pass the popcorn!

david starling

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All right, I can't help trying to guess. And the way things have been going, I think it won't be a definite answer.

Meaning, Trump's attorneys will advise him to release a heavily redacted version of the search warrant to the media.

Anyone else want to hazard a guess?

david starling

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This is tragic--a guy armed with an AR-15 rifle shot a nail gun(!) into an FBI field office in Cincinnati, then fled and ended up committing suicide-by-FBI. They're saying he was at the Capitol Building on Jan. 6.


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Biden and Trump equally unpopular with most Americans: It's deja-vu when Bill Clinton was president after Bush Sr in 1994, and Obama after Bush Jr in 2010 (split equally among Dems and GOP). Tough times they were. My state CA went through this with governor Pete Wilson after Deukmejian in 1990, Arnold Schwarzenegger after Gray Davis in 2004 and Gavin Newsom after Jerry Brown in 2020 (first 3 are GOP, latter 3 are Democrats). The need for a 3rd party, a 3rd rail or a 3rd position hasn't succeeded in both federal and all 50 state politics, we don't have a parliamentary multiparty system. The USA is looking ahead at its Independence Day 2023 when the nation's natal pluto return happens, but the Moon and Uranus positions are considered. When will America: the greatest nation in world history (except for the Romans) will straighten out its ironic political system their people dislikes?


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As usual, the TDS members blame Trump for the illegal raid by claiming he has the right to reveal the search warrant...😏😏

Duh! It's not the job of the person who's been attacked & had their rights violated to do anything.
Trump's lawyers were not given the search warrant.
Yet, as always, the lunatic left traitors blame 'orangeman bad' for their own criminal acts!😌😌

GOP, the NYToilet Times are demanding that the snivelling rat traitor AG Garland release it as he personally signed off on it.

Project Veritas, who made the initial request are now demanding that Garland also include the AFFIDAVIT!!!!

Garland: I have made clear the DOJ will speak through its court filings and it’s work. Just now the DOJ has filed a motion to unseal a search warrant and a property receipt…

The DOJ has requested the Court unseal the search warrant of Trump's home. Here's the relevant part of the motion.

It appears this does not include the affidavit of the FBI Agent in support of the search warrant.
That's the juicy stuff, that's what Trump's lawyers want.

WITHOUT THE AFFIDAVIT, there is no just cause for the warrant to be issued, thereby making it illegal & unconstitutional.

Arrests have to made once MAGA candidates take back the country in Nov...or we don't have a country anymore.....

We have a banana republic.


david starling

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Patel: "The American people have only seen 60% of what President Trump has declassified."
The other 40% is what is worrying someone.
And it's all been declassified prior to Trump leaving the Office of The President.😅😅

So, WILL Trump's attorneys reveal what's in the sealed warrant? It's entirely up to them now.

Sounds like they're stalling, based on some legal technicality.

More popcorn!
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  • Two months before his Florida home was raided by the FBI, President Trump secretly received a grand jury subpoena for classified documents belonging to the National Archives, and voluntarily cooperated by turning over responsive evidence, surrendering security surveillance footage and allowing federal agents and a senior Justice Department lawyer to tour his private storage locker, according to a half dozen people familiar with the incident.
  • While the cooperation was mostly arranged by his lawyers, Trump personally surprised the DOJ national security division prosecutor and three FBI agents who came to his Mar O Lago compound on June 3, greeting them as they came to pick up a small number of documents compliant with the subpoena, the sources told Just the News, speaking only on condition of anonymity because the visit was covered by grand jury secrecy.
  • The subpoena requested any remaining documents Trump possessed with any classification markings, even if they involved photos of foreign leaders, correspondence or momentos from his presidency.
  • Secret Service agents were also present and facilitated the visit, officials said.

  • Given Trump’s instruction, the president’s lawyers complied and allowed the search by the FBI before the entourage left cordially. Five days later, DOJ officials sent a letter to Trump’s lawyers asking them to secure the storage locker with more than the lock they had seen. The Secret Service installed a more robust security lock to comply.



Questions grow about Trump raid after revelation of grand jury subpoena, extensive cooperation​

Trump got spring grand jury subpoena, gathered documents, turned them over and allowed agents to search storage locker the FBI later raided.



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The Court instructed the DOJ: "On or before 3:00 p.m. Eastern time on August 12, 2022,
, we expect the warrant to be unsealed tomorrow.

Will it include the AFFIDAVIT or will these doucebags deliberately not include it to avoid prosecution in the illegal raid of President Trump's home?



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We now know the name of the FBI informant & guess what?
He just happens to be part of the swamp,☹️☹️
a Democrat operative who helped cover up the bleach bit of Killary's 33,000 emails & helped smash her 9 blackberries!

Nothing to see here folks, just the criminal cabal Dems up to their usual swampy, filthy tricks!😭😭😭


Here is Mr. Ferriero's letter to

from September 2015 responding to Qs about what he did (or didn't do) about Hillary Clinton's secret, offsite email server.



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Merrick Garland Faces Possible Impeachment Over FBI Trump Raid​

Predicting that a full investigation won’t happen until after the midterms commence in November, Paul demanded for the order to raid Trump’s house to be revealed.

“I think we have to know under what pretense they think this is right?,” Paul questioned, adding “This is really something that’s going to require an investigation,” Paul said. “And I wouldn’t be surprised if the investigation leads to abuse of power that this could even lead to an impeachment of the attorney general.”

Meanwhile Sen. Josh Hawley (R-MO) also called on Garland to resign, as well as the FBI to be completely reformed.

“The raid by Joe Biden’s FBI on the home of a president who is also Biden’s chief political opponent is an unprecedented assault on democratic norms and the rule of law… Biden has taken our republic into dangerous waters."