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MARS

CONFLICTS

If it was Russia, MSM would have a buffet for the world.
But its Ukraine they will not print a single word.
Ukrainians are dying on the frontlines
while Zelensky wastes money on elite property:
Investigative journalist from Egypt Mohammed-Al-Alawi
revealed important details on the Zelensky efforts to use the funds of NATO countries
to make Ukrainian citizens happier, in particular, his mother-in-law. :)

According to the investigator, Zelensky’s family has acquired a luxury villa in El Gouna

“..the city of millionaires..” in Egypt.
Zelensky’s mother-in-law, Olga Kiyashko, reportedly bought a VIP property worth $5 million
in May 2023. Numerous experts believe that the president’s relatives
are involved in a corruption scheme

and bought real estate with funds allocated to Ukraine by Western countries.





With respect to wild fires
usually the burning starts from the outside
and propagates further within.
What is striking is
that this vehicle appears to have burned in the opposite direction :)
from deep inside and outwards
because

the transmission is but a puddle of molten metal
and yet, the body panels seem intact
You can see examples of cars like this after a certain event in September 2001.

The energy source responsible for this is probably on the order of micro waves
or even shorter wavelengths.

The shorter the wavelength the more energetic is the radiation.
This radiation thrives on water content of the material in order for it to burn.
Microwave cooks from the inside.

Seeing the "..windshield.." as it is,
tells that maybe oxygen only need be present for this radiation to consume

since glass is silicon dioxide.
After all, oxygen levels is one of the points of the fire triangle.

The other two points of the triangle are fuel and an ignition source

 

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CONFLICTS

He did it AGAIN. Senator Mitch McConnell inexplicably FROZE UP
while trying to answer a question
This man is making major decisions for the country.
- wouldn't want a pilot to fly in this condition :)
why is it ok to lead a nation this way!
Mitch has been a Democrat in Republican clothing for years! RINO MITCH!
What a state of a government.
155 million votes with 131 million registered voters.
What kinda enemy is inside the gate here?







If it was Russia, MSM would have a buffet for the world.
But its Ukraine they will not print a single word.
Ukrainians are dying on the frontlines
while Zelensky wastes money on elite property:
Investigative journalist from Egypt Mohammed-Al-Alawi
revealed important details on the Zelensky efforts to use the funds of NATO countries
to make Ukrainian citizens happier, in particular, his mother-in-law. :)

According to the investigator, Zelensky’s family has acquired a luxury villa in El Gouna

“..the city of millionaires..” in Egypt.
Zelensky’s mother-in-law, Olga Kiyashko, reportedly bought a VIP property worth $5 million
in May 2023. Numerous experts believe that the president’s relatives
are involved in a corruption scheme

and bought real estate with funds allocated to Ukraine by Western countries.


 

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THE PRESIDENT

That so called "..plastic surgeon.." MISSED THE MAIN POINTS

The pictures are of 2 to 3 DIFFERENT men :)

Even today, we can see one man with "..attached.." ear lobes in one video
& tomorrow we will see a man with UN-connected ear lobes
One person cannot do this back & forth as many times as Joe is seen in the varied faces
The "..ORIGINAL.."

as far as "we" can tell
has been "gone"?,dead???? since BEFORE the "..run for the current term.."

All during the politicking Joe was supposed to have done
- was done by at least three (3) different men who looked similar enough

that they could "..pass for Joe.." with the help of plastic surgery

Now, it seems one of the three men is not "..out in public,,"
- too ill, dead? who knows?
What WE DO KNOW
is that the "..original.." Joe Biden DID NOT take part

in any of the preliminary activities before,
yet somehow, miraculously got elected,anyway






MARS
CONFLICTS
He did it AGAIN. Senator Mitch McConnell inexplicably FROZE UP
while trying to answer a question
This man is making major decisions for the country.
- wouldn't want a pilot to fly in this condition :)
why is it ok to lead a nation this way!
Mitch has been a Democrat in Republican clothing for years! RINO MITCH!
What a state of a government.
155 million votes with 131 million registered voters.
What kinda enemy is inside the gate here?



 

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MARS



THE SUN

THE PRESIDENT

That so called "..plastic surgeon.." MISSED THE MAIN POINTS

The pictures are of 2 to 3 DIFFERENT men :)

Even today, we can see one man with "..attached.." ear lobes in one video
& tomorrow we will see a man with UN-connected ear lobes
One person cannot do this back & forth as many times as Joe is seen in the varied faces
The "..ORIGINAL.."

as far as "we" can tell
has been "gone"?,dead???? since BEFORE the "..run for the current term.."

All during the politicking Joe was supposed to have done
- was done by at least three (3) different men who looked similar enough

that they could "..pass for Joe.." with the help of plastic surgery

Now, it seems one of the three men is not "..out in public,,"
- too ill, dead? who knows?
What WE DO KNOW
is that the "..original.." Joe Biden DID NOT take part

in any of the preliminary activities before,
yet somehow, miraculously got elected,anyway



 

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Trudeau needs to be called out for his outrageous ignorant and reckless behaviour

Trudeau owes RUSSIA an apology, 27 MILLION Russians died in WW2
yet
No apology to Russia. Poroshenko strikes again. UKR asked to hit Iran, Syria. :)
Rock star Blinken.




Trudeau should have also strongly apologised to the Russian people for the horrors
that the SS did to the Russian people.



EMERGENCIES
MARS
 

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OTHER NATIONS

those Americans/Iranians in Iran were not hostages
They had done something wrong and that is why they were in jail.
They were released for humanitarian reasons & exchanged with the ones jailed in the US.
The money kept in South Korea was actually $7 billion
and
since the money lost its value they paid back less. :)
Hilariously because instead of adding interest :)
they deduct the devaluation. :)






THE SUN
THE PRESIDENT


Trudeau needs to be called out for his outrageous ignorant and reckless behaviour

Trudeau owes RUSSIA an apology, 27 MILLION Russians died in WW2
yet
No apology to Russia. Poroshenko strikes again. UKR asked to hit Iran, Syria. :)
Rock star Blinken.




Trudeau should have also strongly apologised to the Russian people for the horrors
that the SS did to the Russian people.
 

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OTHER NATIONS


Burkina Faso's young and determined president, Ibrahim Traoré, is spearheading
a transformative agenda in his country.
Recognizing the historical exploitation inflicted by former Colonial Powers :)
Traoré is resolute in reclaiming Burkina Faso's resources
and ending colonial control over the nation.

For years, the people of Burkina Faso have engaged in the perilous work of gold mining
only to see the fruits of their labor flow into the hands of foreign powers.
Traoré's, aware of this injustice,
has formulated a comprehensive plan to change the status quo.

Burkina Faso, under the dynamic leadership of President Ibrahim Traoré
is boldly pursuing a path of economic independence.
At the youthful age of 34, President Traoré has embarked on a transformative journey
to reclaim Burkina Faso's coveted gold mines
and challenge the ongoing exploitation of its abundant resources by former colonial powers.

- the multifaceted plan crafted by Traoré & its implications for Burkina Faso
and its resonance across the broader African continent.





those Americans/Iranians in Iran were not hostages
They had done something wrong and that is why they were in jail.
They were released for humanitarian reasons & exchanged with the ones jailed in the US.
The money kept in South Korea was actually $7 billion
and
since the money lost its value they paid back less. :)
Hilariously because instead of adding interest :)
they deduct the devaluation. :)



 

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...the right way to do mundane using Ptolemy, al-Battani, Antiochus and al-Kindi. I'll focus on the US but this applies to everything and you'll see why.

If you're using the Sibley Chart, you're just plain wrong because nothing happened on July 4th. We know nothing happened because nobody has that document and if you have it, or you know where it is, then you'll be the richest most famous person in America.

First, the claim that something happened on July 4th is romanticized myth based on a misunderstanding of what someone said happened.
Second, that someone is Thomas Jefferson who is writing his autobiography and attempting to remember events that took place more than 30 years earlier. What were you doing 30 years ago? I was in school but I don't remember much else.
Third, what Jefferson said was that the it was "signed by everyone present." The error is in assuming that everyone present means the same thing as every one of the delegates.
Fourth, we know for a fact that everyone was not present. We know that the 4 delegates from New York did not arrive until July 15th, and because they were not there on July 4th they could not have possibly signed it.
Fifth, we know for a fact they were not there because all four of them state in their letters/journals they did not arrive until the 15th, other delegates who were there wrote in their letters/journals they did not arrive until the 15th, and most importantly Thomas Jefferson himself says they did not arrive until the 15th.
Sixth, in addition, there were others who were not there, including Dickinson and 2 or 3 others and we know that because other delegates mention it and so does Thomas Jefferson (who specifically names Dickinson.)
Finally, we know it wasn't signed by everyone until August 2nd because the delegates were still quibbling over the language in the document.

So, the Sibley Chart is wrong, but we already knew that because a declaration is no different than a conception or an engagement. It's just a declaration and it created 13 independent countries and not one unified country. If you want to cast a chart, you can and it will tell you how that event plays out in the same way an engagement chart will show you if two people actually marry or one backs out or dies, and like a conception chart that will show you whether the child is born or not.

The US takes its "first breath" on March 2, 1781 with the "united states in Congress assembled" which assembled at about 9:00 am. Yes, the Wikifantasy with its fantasy alternative history says March 1 but the good news is we don't have to throw down over the date. We just need to know 1781.

What about the Constitution? What about it? When you graduated high school or college did you throw out your natal chart and cast a new one for your date of graduation? Why not? You got a piece of paper and that changes everything, right? When you got married or divorced, did you throw out your natal chart and cast a new one for the date of the marriage (or divorce)? When you had a child did you throw away your natal chart and cast a new one for the birth of your child? No, because that is not how we do astrology.

We follow basic astrological principles even when we don't want to. So, we'll cast the one and only Aries Ingress we will ever need for the US for the year 1781 and we get this.

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The rising sign of this chart is Sagittarius and that is the sign that represents the US. Ever wonder how all those cities and other places got their signs?

Now you know. All you need to know is the year a city, state, province, shire, county, burg, department, country or whatever was founded and cast the one and only Aries Ingress Chart you will ever need to find the rising sign and that sign represents your city, state, province, shire, burg or whatever.

From this point forward, to know the fate of the US, we will cast the Mars-Saturn Conjunction in Sagittarius which happens about every 30 years, and you can tell from this chart there was a recent conjunction. Why don't we use Cancer? Because Cancer does not represent the US. Cancer does represent the fate of Islam and Muslims but not the Arab or Persian Empires since they are defunct, but it would represent any country whose sign is Cancer.

Each year we will cast a chart for the New/Full Moon closest to the Aries Ingress but we will not use the Aries Ingress which is a nothing-burger.

The sign of Scorpio represents Britain (see Aries Ingress for 1066 CE) and look at Scorpio Jupiter stationary in the 12th place in aversion to the Asc. Jupiter rules the Asc but is cadent, out-of-sect, in the 12th place, stationary....literally stuck....and has no control over the Asc being in aversion. That pretty much sums it up.

If you're British, you'll cast the Mars-Saturn Conjunction in Scorpio (again about every 30 years) to understand the fate of Britain but for this particular year you would not use the closest New/Full Moon to the Aries Ingress. Instead, you would cast a chart for the date/time Scorpio Jupiter goes stationary because that has precedence over the New/Full Moon and because stationary Jupiter is in Scorpio. Saturn and Mercury are also stationary but because they are not in Scorpio and because you're British, you don't care. If you're an American, you would care about stationary Sagittarius Saturn and cast a chart for the date/time Saturn went on station but you don't care about stationary Mercury or Jupiter. If your country is represented by Aries, then you would cast a chart for the date/time Mercury went stationary in Aries but you don't care about stationary Jupiter or Saturn.

You will always use the actual conjunction of Mars-Saturn by degree/minute and not some fantasy average over mean motions.
 
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We follow basic astrological principles even when we don't want to. So, we'll cast the one and only Aries Ingress we will ever need for the US for the year 1781 and we get this.
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The rising sign of this chart is Sagittarius and that is the sign that represents the US. Ever wonder how all those cities and other places got their signs?

From this point forward, to know the fate of the US, we will cast the Mars-Saturn Conjunction in Sagittarius which happens about every 30 years, and you can tell from this chart there was a recent conjunction.
i.e. :)
24 August 2016 - 07:27:00 (EDT, DST)
Universal Time (UT/GMT):v24 August 2016 - 11:27:00
Local Sidereal Time (LST): 04:39:01
House system, Terms: Whole Sign system, Egyptian
Latitude, Longitude: 39°57'N, 75°10'W
City: Philadelphia
Country:
United States (US), PA

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Why don't we use Cancer? Because Cancer does not represent the US. Cancer does represent the fate of Islam and Muslims but not the Arab or Persian Empires since they are defunct, but it would represent any country whose sign is Cancer.

Each year we will cast a chart for the New/Full Moon closest to the Aries Ingress but we will not use the Aries Ingress which is a nothing-burger.
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2016 MARS SATURN CONJUNCTION in 4th house of Mundane chart highlights LAND :)
the owners of it, workers on it, crops & produce. The farming & mining industry.
Buildings & the property market - Saturn Mundane 4th house may indicate housing shortage.
Mars may indicate vandalism or crime waves affecting property or loss of property due to fire
&
4th being SUPPLIES that feed the nation from beneath the earth

- such as water or gas industry pipes - Mundane 4th Mars issues with explosions/drought


24 August 2016 - 07:27:00 (EDT, DST)
Universal Time (UT/GMT):v24 August 2016 - 11:27:00
Local Sidereal Time (LST): 04:39:01
House system, Terms: Whole Sign system, Egyptian
Latitude, Longitude: 39°57'N, 75°10'W
City: Philadelphia

Country: United States (US), PA

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BLM Activist Sentenced For FRAUD :)

STOLE Thousands in Donations to Fund Luxury Lifestyle



24 August 2016 - 07:27:00 (EDT, DST)
Universal Time (UT/GMT):v24 August 2016 - 11:27:00
Local Sidereal Time (LST): 04:39:01
House system, Terms: Whole Sign system, Egyptian
Latitude, Longitude: 39°57'N, 75°10'W
City: Philadelphia
Country:
United States (US), PA

MERCURY H1

& VENUS H2 IN MUTUAL RECEPTION :)


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The threat level of anything happening will increase at Christmas,
there are some very angry people with Christians and Jews, it is only a statement,


i try not to be political. In London as yet the threat is substantial,

however i expect it to rise near Christmas.

Hanukkah is obviously near Christmas as well, this year it runs between 7th-15th December;-
Using midnight day marker in Los Angeles, Alnilam falls on the M.C. with parans on 14th December,

or London it is on the M.C. just after on 16th December.

I'm not trying to frighten but be alert when you are doing your Christmas Shopping.
There is slightly more risk attached to Hanukkah.
You can set up your own chart for midnight day marker yourself for your location

M.C. has to be approx 24* Gemini 44' to get the Belt of Orion on M.C. by paran.
example for location 16 December 2023 PARIS FRANCE :)
notice MARS is on MC at the location
Belt of Orion on M.C. by paran.
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Jup, you will note that Brady's interpretation of the Belt of Orion is different to mine,
apply to Nick Campion Chart. My interpretation of Alnilam is hermetic.

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24 August 2016 - 07:27:00 (EDT, DST)
Universal Time (UT/GMT):v24 August 2016 - 11:27:00
Local Sidereal Time (LST): 04:39:01
House system, Terms: Whole Sign system, Egyptian
Latitude, Longitude: 39°57'N, 75°10'W
City: Philadelphia
Country:
United States (US), PA


VIRGO SUN MERCURY
VENUS JUPITER ASSEMBLED H1 :)



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MUNDANE ASTROLOGY

10th House
ROYALTY
CELEBRITIES


It's the public's business to know because they're public figures.
It is the taxpayers funding their lavish life.
Not the mention people are concerned
when they notice Kate losing extreme amount of muscle and weight within a year
when she had a muscular athletic physique?

& NOW William cares about his mother?!
When he mentions to the public about Diana's mental health
in regards to defending Camillia against the public when she became king consort!

Now all of a sudden he's triggered?! :)

Not to mention putting his mother down when it came to her marriage to his father!
And staying in the RF after what happen in the tunnels!!
Understandable why Harry distances himself from William.

PRINCE WILLIAM REACTS TO KATE MIDDLETON

FRESH COMPLICATIONS AND ITS NOT GOOD - AT ALL





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24 August 2016 - 07:27:00 (EDT, DST)
Universal Time (UT/GMT):v24 August 2016 - 11:27:00
Local Sidereal Time (LST): 04:39:01
House system, Terms: Whole Sign system, Egyptian
Latitude, Longitude: 39°57'N, 75°10'W
City: Philadelphia

Country: United States (US), PA

VIRGO SUN MERCURY VENUS JUPITER ASSEMBLED H1 :)



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Not that I understand what the chart is about, or even infering, but that video is what I want to comment on.
I know that you seen me write about this before, and maybe you remember or maybe you don't, but I am a direct ancestor of the first settlers of Bucks County, Pennsland, 1683, Richard and Margaret [Clowes] Hough. They met on the ship HMS Endeavor and were married, I believe, by the ships' captain. Richard was a personal friend of William Penn, served as a judge, a justice of the peace, was a member of the assembly numerous terms, Richard drowned in the Delaware River in 1707 [I think it was, I've packed up all my books, notebooks, charts, etc., almost all my belongings, and put them in storage at present, due to my immanent eviction which is now down to the last few days I can remain here.] I seem to recall they had ten children, and from then on the Houghs multiplied exponentially.
But beng the very first to settle in the very same county that borders that in which the city of Philadelphia was founded in, and having served in that colonys'legislature fr many years, I have to wonder what those 9xs great grandparents of mine would say as to openly inviting the entire world to come to Pennsland, to Philadelphia, and live as their neighbors, if they could see what Philadelphia did become... and it wasn't a recent development as to just how funked up that city is. I was there in the Fall of '72 and it wasn't someplace that I would want to live even back then, not even for free rent. I did enjoy seeing the historic sights, got to touch the Liberty Bell, saw where all the action took place in creating this nation, but I have no desire to ever return
A City of Brotherly Love was a grand idea and certainly the epitome in concept of city planing. It was the crowning creation of the Society of Friends at the time, in fact I can't imagine a more noble, altruistic, benevolent gift to the world than what the Quakers conceived of and did so create at the time.
Where did it all go wrong?
 

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24 August 2016 - 07:27:00 (EDT, DST)
Universal Time (UT/GMT):v24 August 2016 - 11:27:00
Local Sidereal Time (LST): 04:39:01
House system, Terms: Whole Sign system, Egyptian
Latitude, Longitude: 39°57'N, 75°10'W
City: Philadelphia

Country: United States (US), PA

VIRGO SUN MERCURY VENUS JUPITER ASSEMBLED H1 :)



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Not that I understand what the chart is about, or even infering, but that video is what I want to comment on.
I know that you've seen me write about this before, and maybe you remember or maybe you don't, but I am a direct ancestor of the first settlers of Bucks County, Pennsland, 1683, Richard and Margaret [Clowes] Hough. Richard was from Chesire, England and while I'm not certain if Margaret was, what I do know is that they met on the ship, HMS Endeavor, on their journey to America and were married, I believe, by the ships' captain. Richard was a personal friend of William Penn, served as a judge, a justice of the peace, was a member of the assembly numerous terms, Richard drowned in the Delaware River in 1707 [I think it was, I've packed up all my books, notebooks, charts, etc., almost all my belongings, and put them in storage at present, due to my immanent eviction which is now down to the last few days I can remain here.] I seem to recall they had ten children, and from then on the Houghs multiplied exponentially.
But beng the very first to settle in the very same county that borders that in which the city of Philadelphia was founded in, and having served in that colonys'legislature for many years, and thus very familar with the territory, I have to wonder what those 9xs great grandparents of mine would say as to openly inviting the entire world to come to Pennsland, to Philadelphia, and live as their neighbors, if they could see what Philadelphia did become... and it wasn't a recent development as to just how funked up that city is. I was there in the Fall of '72 and it wasn't someplace that I would want to live even back then, not even for free rent. I did enjoy seeing the historic sights, got to touch the Liberty Bell, saw where all the action took place in creating this nation, but I have no desire to ever return
A City of Brotherly Love was a grand idea and certainly the epitome in concept of city planing. It was the crowning creation of the Society of Friends at the time, in fact I can't imagine a more noble, altruistic, benevolent gift to the world than what the Quakers conceived of and did so create at the time.
Where did it all go wrong?
 

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24 August 2016 - 07:27:00 (EDT, DST)
Universal Time (UT/GMT):v24 August 2016 - 11:27:00
Local Sidereal Time (LST): 04:39:01
House system, Terms: Whole Sign system, Egyptian
Latitude, Longitude: 39°57'N, 75°10'W
City: Philadelphia
Country:
United States (US), PA


VIRGO SUN MERCURY VENUS JUPITER ASSEMBLED H1 :)
Not that I understand what the chart is about, or even infering,
Chart is based on DC80s MUNDANE METHOD :)

but that video is what I want to comment on.
okay
I know that you've seen me write about this before, and maybe you remember or maybe you don't, but I am a direct ancestor of the first settlers of Bucks County, Pennsland, 1683, Richard and Margaret [Clowes] Hough. Richard was from Chesire, England and while I'm not certain if Margaret was, what I do know is that they met on the ship, HMS Endeavor, on their journey to America and were married, I believe, by the ships' captain. Richard was a personal friend of William Penn, served as a judge, a justice of the peace, was a member of the assembly numerous terms, Richard drowned in the Delaware River in 1707 [I think it was,

I've packed up all my books, notebooks, charts, etc., almost all my belongings, and put them in storage at present, due to my immanent eviction which is now down to the last few days I can remain here.]
keep us updated

I seem to recall they had ten children, and from then on the Houghs multiplied exponentially.
But beng the very first to settle in the very same county that borders that in which the city of Philadelphia was founded in, and having served in that colonys'legislature for many years, and thus very familar with the territory, I have to wonder what those 9xs great grandparents of mine would say as to openly inviting the entire world to come to Pennsland, to Philadelphia, and live as their neighbors, if they could see what Philadelphia did become..
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The contrast is startling

and it wasn't a recent development as to just how funked up that city is. I was there in the Fall of '72 and it wasn't someplace that I would want to live even back then, not even for free rent. I did enjoy seeing the historic sights, got to touch the Liberty Bell, saw where all the action took place in creating this nation, but I have no desire to ever return

A City of Brotherly Love was a grand idea and certainly the epitome in concept of city planing. It was the crowning creation of the Society of Friends at the time, in fact I can't imagine a more noble, altruistic, benevolent gift to the world than what the Quakers conceived of and did so create at the time.
Where did it all go wrong?
some say it's traced to "..open borders.." & influx of Mexican cartel influence

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piercethevale

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DC80?
I'm raather stumped as to why there still seems to be any controversy as to when the Unitd States was born.
Let me point out the key phrases to the Declaration of Independence.
First of all, look to the very first twelve words and the date that is included along with them; r.e.
"In Congress, July 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,..."

...and from the final paragraph:
"We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do."

What's the controversy? The United States has always been a union of free and independent States. While the world is a better place and probably much better off than had the Confederacy won the Civil War, or if the North had respected the States right to secede, what Lincoln did was wrong. He violated the pact. In addition there's the matter of Texas. Texas hadn't even been ratified as a State, in fact it never has been to this date today. Texas joined the Union with the provision that they could leave the Union at any time for whatever reason they may, or may not, have. So, even though the Confedarcy lost the war, Texas left the Union and should have been left alone thereafter. The United States has been illegally occupying the Texas nation since the end of that war.

Even though the citizenry has let the Federal gov't erode away more and more of their own independent States' rights it doesn't alter the fact that we have always been a conglomeration of a number of independent States, and that we declared ourselves to be recognized as such from that day, July 4, 1776, and forward then on from that date. That those States later decided that all international affairs [ ...to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce... ] would be best handled in unison and as such it would be best conducted by appointed representatives didn't alter anything as to what was declared on July 4, 1776.

Besides all that [r.e. the "Zero Hour Natal Chart" i.e. July 4, 1776 @ 12:00:01, Philadelphia], the Sabian Symbols that are found for the natal chart axis, the Part of Fortune, and a number of other Astrological Parts, all are the most appropriate set of Symbols for the Union. I know that very few astrologers are yet giving the Sabians any thought whatsoever, despite all the evidence I've produced the last, nearly, twenty years... Including the last sixteen years of unrelenting posts everywhere on the internet I could manage to make the information known.
It's inevitable that one day all will understand and recognize the validity of those degree symbols and that if the Sabian Symbols don't coroborate a theory, then that theory is erroneous.

The Sabian Symbols are best understood as to their relevance and validity when one is analyzing the natal chart of a "world server", but accurate times of birth and location were rarely recorded until sometime during W.W. II and not generally until thar war ended. Thus we are very limited as to the last 78 years regarding any birthchart we might all agree on to be valid. National charts however should all be just as apparent as those of "world servers" but there are so few national charts thart one can validate as to their given time of "birth". For example, some years ago there was much controversy in one of the sub-forums about why it was so hard for all involved to be able to see the relavance of the natal chart for the maden nation of India. I was at odds myself when I checked the Sabian Symbols produced for the chart, they were all recognizing as being the valid natal birth chart of India, they made no sense whatsover. Then I realized that the time of birth they were using was based on the capital of India being in a time zone that India had decided is an administrative advantage to be, of a split time, and they chose to retard that time zone by a half an hour. What they had was a chart for a time recognized by Greenwich as being 12:30 A.M. and not for 12:00 mid night. Regardless of what time people in New Delhi believed it to be, that day of India's freedom from British control had begun a half an hour earlier as the agreement as to when it would happen was made with the very nation that established those time zones, and those zones are set by the position of the Sun. It is only at the precise moment that the Sun is exactly conjunct the nadir that a new day has begun. Only the Hebrews have been given permission by God to observe time in any manner they should so choose. There may be others so given that same permission but I've yet to be made aware of any other.

In short, if you are casting a natal chart for the modern nation of India, while using New Delhi as the place of birth is correct, you must use the local time of 11:30:01 p.m. on August 14, 1947
The resultant Sabian Symbols for that chart are perfect.

Aside from all of that, I'm a bit surprised here, JUPITERASC, as to your promoting a technique championed by Dr. Ramesey [such an obscure and little known about person. I have to admit that I had never heard of the man and had to do a bit of research.], as Ramesey is known to have belttled a student of Lily, [i.e. Dr. John Gadbury, so it is believed by some modern scholars] and while that same technique may have also met with Lily's approval, I have been unable to find any validity to it.

Other than what was in the firmament at the exact moment of birth the only moment in time II have yet found to be of relevance are when the New and Full Moons occur prior to and immediately following that birth... but only when they are used in the Parts formula for the Part of Hyleg. [i.e. Asc. + natal Moon - New or Full Moon, whichever is most recent prior to birth.] I have found all four of hose Moons to produce Sabian Symbols clearly relevant to the chart entity when used in that very same formula. I, myself, would explore what the cycle of the Moon was at the time of birth, By that I mean the New Moon that occured just prior to the birth and the Full Moon that followed Dane Rudhyar wrote an extensive piece on the Moons' cycles and about the triad of symbology found in every one.

The above is, as always, IN MY HUMBLE OPINION, of course.
 
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JUPITERASC

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...the right way to do mundane using Ptolemy, al-Battani, Antiochus and al-Kindi.
I'll focus on the US but this applies to everything and you'll see why
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If you're using the Sibley Chart, you're just plain wrong because nothing happened on July 4th. We know nothing happened because nobody has that document and if you have it, or you know where it is, then you'll be the richest most famous person in America.
First, the claim that something happened on July 4th is romanticized myth based on a misunderstanding of what someone said happened.
Second, that someone is Thomas Jefferson who is writing his autobiography and attempting to remember events that took place more than 30 years earlier. What were you doing 30 years ago? I was in school but I don't remember much else.

Third, what Jefferson said was that the it was "signed by everyone present." The error is in assuming that everyone present means the same thing as every one of the delegates.
Fourth, we know for a fact that everyone was not present. We know that the 4 delegates from New York did not arrive until July 15th, and because they were not there on July 4th they could not have possibly signed it.
Fifth, we know for a fact they were not there because all four of them state in their letters/journals they did not arrive until the 15th, other delegates who were there wrote in their letters/journals they did not arrive until the 15th, and most importantly Thomas Jefferson himself says they did not arrive until the 15th.

Sixth, in addition, there were others who were not there, including Dickinson and 2 or 3 others and we know that because other delegates mention it and so does Thomas Jefferson (who specifically names Dickinson.)
Finally, we know it wasn't signed by everyone until August 2nd because the delegates were still quibbling over the language in the document.

So, the Sibley Chart is wrong, but we already knew that because a declaration is no different than a conception or an engagement. It's just a declaration and it created 13 independent countries and not one unified country. If you want to cast a chart, you can and it will tell you how that event plays out in the same way an engagement chart will show you if two people actually marry or one backs out or dies, and like a conception chart that will show you whether the child is born or not.

The US takes its "first breath" on March 2, 1781 with the "united states in Congress assembled" which assembled at about 9:00 am. Yes, the Wikifantasy with its fantasy alternative history says March 1 but the good news is we don't have to throw down over the date. We just need to know 1781.

What about the Constitution? What about it? When you graduated high school or college did you throw out your natal chart and cast a new one for your date of graduation? Why not? You got a piece of paper and that changes everything, right? When you got married or divorced, did you throw out your natal chart and cast a new one for the date of the marriage (or divorce)? When you had a child did you throw away your natal chart and cast a new one for the birth of your child? No, because that is not how we do astrology.

We follow basic astrological principles even when we don't want to. So, we'll cast the one and only Aries Ingress we will ever need for the US for the year 1781 and we get this.

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