Putin: White hat or villain?

[FraterAC]

I don't understand the question regarding Putin's chart. Oct 7 1952 0930 is AA based on his birth certificate. It might be a few minutes off, probably is, but not a day or 12 hours.
If Pluto in Leo in the 10th, conjunct the South Node, square Jupiter, trine Mars, sesquiquadrate Eris, with Scorpio rising, is not a dictator (autocrat) I don't know what a more appropriate configuration would be. Moon sesquiquadrate Saturn and Neptune. He also has Uranus square Sun, Saturn, Neptune and Mercury.
I would not put a white hat on top of this horoscope. I have seen some I would, but not this one.
Is all this "confusion" just misdirection (propaganda) to prop up his image? You think?

 

[waybread]

With his progressed sun and moon conjuncting his natal Mars, and his progressed Mars hitting his natal NN, unfortunately I don't see Putin capitulating any time soon. His war against Ukraine has probably taken a more more deeply personal turn for him, independently of his ideological rhetoric.

I sometimes find solar arcs to be revealing. In Putin's case, Mars is again highlighted, with conjunctions from solar arc sun and Saturn.

But I wonder if this is a make-or-break year for him. For reasons discussed in detail in some of my earlier posts, I use the Astrodienst nativity. It shows solar arc Pluto and MC both conjuncting Putin's ascendant.

I truly believe that Vladimir Putin fits the definition of a sociopath. If he can hang on long enough to outlast the democratic allies, he won't feel remorse for the tens of thousands of Russian lives lost and bodies shattered; let alone Ukrainian lives.

But I think solar arc Pluto-MC conjunct ascendant would hit anyone pretty hard on a personal level.

The 7th house natally is the house of "open enemies," and mundanely it is the house of "enemies of the state." So Putin may just feel energized to see himself (ascendant) as the Death Star (Pluto) with a personal (ascendant) mission (MV) to annihilate Ukraine.

 

[david starling]

I don't understand the question regarding Putin's chart. Oct 7 1952 0930 is AA based on his birth certificate. It might be a few minutes off, probably is, but not a day or 12 hours.
If Pluto in Leo in the 10th, conjunct the South Node, square Jupiter, trine Mars, sesquiquadrate Eris, with Scorpio rising, is not a dictator (autocrat) I don't know what a more appropriate configuration would be. Moon sesquiquadrate Saturn and Neptune. He also has Uranus square Sun, Saturn, Neptune and Mercury.
I would not put a white hat on top of this horoscope. I have seen some I would, but not this one.
Is all this "confusion" just misdirection (propaganda) to prop up his image? You think?

First I've heard about anything but a DD rating. Where's it from? Who has seen his actual birth certificate?

 

[leomoon]

Starting with his Moon conj. Algol, @ 26°29' , that would be a difference of 6°25' from Elena's chart for Putin @ 2°54' .

So it would be about 12 hours earlier than Elena's date of Oct 7, 1952 @ 9:30 a.m., moving it to Oct. 6, 1952 @ around 9:30 p.m. or so, depending on the Moon's rate of transit at the time.

His Mars in Sagittarius could explain the horses.

I believe I went all the way back to the 6th at 9:30 PM David, but I'll look again tomorrow. Meanwhile, unless Frater can straighten it out, (produce a birth certificate copy?) we have this still rated DD hasn't changed since Lois Rodden rated it: Rather ambiguous? Since he has Algorab conjunct his natal SUN, (promotes and impels one to lie ) and one must be evolved or evolve themselves to check themself for such behaviors as lies or "exaggerations" (my mother in law was l0/7 and my husband 10/8) I know she did gossip quite a bit etc. but otherwise, a nice lady. Hopefully I"ve encouraged him for 50 yrs best to just be a truth teller, even if its hurtful at times, (he doesn't believe in doing so at those times)

I mean should we TRUST the webmaster of Putin's fan club?? Without seeing the birth certificate? I don't think so....

Source Notes (the astrodienst link I posted - ) astro.com​

Matthew Quellas quotes Stef de Groot, webmaster of the President Vladimir V. Putin website, "The time of birth was from his official Soviet birth certificate, as you inquired."

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Original Message-----

From: Matthew Quellas <mquellas@juno.com> To: stefdegroot@mail.ru Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 10:50:50 -0700 Subject: Re: President Putin's birth data

Dear Mr Quellas, Mr Putin was born early in the morning, at 9:30 a.m. Moscow Time, in downtown St Petersburg. I hope this is of any use to you. Kindly, Stef de Groot, webmaster of the President Vladimir V. Putin website http://vladimirputin.4u.ru/ http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/5160/Putin/ --- end quote

These data have been challenged by several correspondents who claim that Russian birth records do not contain a time of birth, and that members of the KGB are instructed to never release personal information. They may be given an A rating as quoted from a substantial source, but may not be considered B.C. unless verified by hard copy.

Claudia von Schierstedt quotes Spiegel "archives" in Meridian March/April 2000, time unknown.

Richard Nolle quotes Boris Izraitel in Russia for 1:00 PM, with a note that "the time is from Putin's private conversation with an unknown reporter who then passed this information to a friend, S. Klimov. Kilmov described the reporter as one of the most reliable sources in his hunt for celebrity birth data."

The first data quote is ambiguous with "archives," and the second is circuitous and questionable; the data can not be considered as confirmed.

In the ISAR online newsletter, 4/09/2000, Sergey Smelyakov gives 16.10 LT, 13.10 GMT from the rectification presented in the Russian translation of the article of J. Weiss that was initially published in the Astrologie Heute # 83, Feb/Mar 2000, Switzerland. In Apr/May 2015, Weiss continues to defend his rectification as fitting events.

Mikhael Borisovich writes on 12/19/2001 that the time of birth is doubtful as it states certificate of birth and in Russia, there are no certificates. Birth records are kept in state archives. He rectifies the time to 2:47 AM.

Starkman rectified to 09.35.52 MSK Asc 4Sco04' . Marc Penfield rectified to 4:35 pm, Asc 27Cap.

As of 2014, there are claims that Putin was born exactly two years earlier, in 1950, not in 1952. There are also claims that he was born in Metechi, Georgia, not in Russia, to a woman named Vera Putina, born 6 September 1926. Supposedly he was sent to distant relatives as foster parents, also named Putin, in St. Petersburg, in 1960.

For those who were fans of Ronald Reagan, he said, "Trust BUT Verify"

Vladimir Putin, horoscope for birth date 7 October 1952, born in St.Petersburg, with Astrodatabank biography

Horoscope and astrology data of Vladimir Putin born on 7 October 1952 St.Petersburg, Russian Federation, with biography

www.astro.com

 

[david starling]

9:30 p.m. on Oct. 6, 1952 should bring his Moon in Taurus within conjunction range of Algol. It should also move his Asc. from Scorpio to Taurus, comparing to Elena's posted Putin chart.

Algo would explain Putin's vicious nature, with the Libra stellium pasting a on it.

 

[FraterAC]

First I've heard about anything but a DD rating. Where's it from? Who has seen his actual birth certificate?

My AstroDeluxe application has it as AA Official Soviet Birth Certificate. It's been in that database at least 5 years.

 

[david starling]

My AstroDeluxe application has it as AA Official Soviet Birth Certificate. It's been in that database at least 5 years.

It's definitely "Official". But, someone could have arbitrarily chosen it it as official from a number of possibilities, even though it could be somewhat incorrect for his birth chart. Also, I read that Soviet birth certificates didn't customarily have birth times. It is considered Putin's "real" birth date as to when it's celebrated, though, without a doubt.

 

[Cap]

9:30 p.m. on Oct. 6, 1952 should bring his Moon in Taurus within conjunction range of Algol. It should also move his Asc. from Scorpio to Taurus, comparing to Elena's posted Putin chart.

Algo would explain Putin's vicious nature, with the Libra stellium pasting a on it.

So, you want to change Putin's chart and construct one that's more in line with the western propaganda.

One of the key placements in Putin's chart is his Mars.
Mars is on Galactic Center. Although GC, for obvious reasons, was not included in ancient astrology, we can use it as we would use fixed star.
I've seen numerous examples of GC in natal charts and it works. GC gives highest position in whatever field native is active, whether it's sports champion, head of the Church (Pope) or president of a country.
The fact that he has Mars on GC might suggest that he will be invincible militarily.

So, your concerns that he might be a destroyer are correct. He is the "destroyer" of you, of the West. For the rest of the world he is the "liberator", from you, from the West.
Someone here mentioned "democracy". American notion of democracy is a choice between 2 corporate puppets. And you are spreading this "democracy" using bombers all over the world. World needs to be saved and liberated from such "democracy".

 

[FraterAC]

For the rest of the world he is the "liberator"

Well, Putin is sure liberating the heck out of Ukraine. And the RF too, he's sure making it more prosperous and freer.
Here's the start of that misadventure.

 

[david starling]

So, you want to change Putin's chart and construct one that's more in line with the western propaganda.

One of the key placements in Putin's chart is his Mars.
Mars is on Galactic Center. Although GC, for obvious reasons, was not included in ancient astrology, we can use it as we would use fixed star.
I've seen numerous examples of GC in natal charts and it works. GC gives highest position in whatever field native is active, whether it's sports champion, head of the Church (Pope) or president of a country.
The fact that he has Mars on GC might suggest that he will be invincible militarily.

So, your concerns that he might be a destroyer are correct. He is the "destroyer" of you, of the West. For the rest of the world he is the "liberator", from you, from the West.
Someone here mentioned "democracy". American notion of democracy is a choice between 2 corporate puppets. And you are spreading this "democracy" using bombers all over the world. World needs to be saved and liberated from such "democracy".

No, I want to explain his vicious behavior. Are you really convinced he's not attacking civilian areas? This whole invasion was patently, obviously, unnecessary for Russian Sovereign security. None of the fake excuses justify it, and killing for the sake of killing isn't indicated in the October 7th, 1952 @ 9:30 a.m. natal chart, which is the Official Soviet birth date and time, and Algol might be a reason for it.

BRICS, NOT BOMBS!

 

[Cap]

No, I want to explain his vicious behavior. Are you really convinced he's not attacking civilian areas? This whole invasion was patently, obviously, unnecessary for Russian Sovereign security. None of the fake excuses justify it, and killing for the sake of killing isn't indicated in the October 7th, 1952 @ 9:30 a.m. natal chart, which is the Official Soviet birth date and time, and Algol might be a reason for it.

BRICS, NOT BOMBS!

In natal charts, in most cases, Algol is destructive to the native, not so much to others. Particularly Moon on Algol would indicate:

Moon conjunct Algol: Violent death or extreme sickness. [3]

Very difficult to avoid accidents and severe injuries. [4]

A splendid and illustrious life; great, distinguished and opulent nature. [12]

(+) Natives with this conjunction, can develop the ability to gain victory over their competitors. However, they can also experience setbacks prior to their victory. The natives will be dogged, indefatigable, continually striving to reach their goals, and never at a loss for words or expressions. Illness of a sublime nature possible.

(–) The native is clever, of a dogged, designing nature, the never say die type, possibly leading to turbulent actions because the native will not surrender their objectives. The native can become involved in controversial matters. Legal involvement and even a judicial sentence are possible. [13]

Christine Keeler 0°05′ (and Uranus), Carrie Fisher 0°30′, Tommy Lee Jones 0°36′, Pope John Paul II 0°39′, Mick Jagger 1°24′, Linda Lovelace 1°57′

https://astrologyking.com/algol-star/

 

[leomoon]

I can't say I am the "only" writer /Astrologer/Researcher on Algol over the years for sure, but I've done enough charts and research to know this isn't necessarily at all true. If one is superstitious at all (and I admit I am), then, I'd "knock on wood" when saying this, because at best it can be 50/50. There are tons of charts with victims via Algol. And yes too; if you have Algol in your natal chart and are still walking around just fine consider yourself, one of the luckier ones like my husband, but don't think it will not affect the house and planet it falls in. That particular house and planet will be just full of hardship and loss. When it is death or morbid, although its often enough the neck area, it isn't always (like Princess Diana or OJ's wife Nicole Simpson who was almost decapitated )

I think the best quote I heard and passed along in my writings on Algol is this one, by the late Astrologer who wrote an encyclopedia of Fixed Stars that talked about the native would not be able to escape Algol's rays in their life and in some way or manner may even have too be acquainted with death (perhaps in the military, not necessarily via their own)- That seemed hopeful. But there is nothing like doing your OWN research with the charts themselves to convince you.

 

[leomoon]

As for V. Putin, sorry I cannot accept a time of birth given by a blog or fan club or any State sanctioned Putin spokesperson without seeing the certificate myself.

 

[Shanti]

Well, Putin is sure liberating the heck out of Ukraine. And the RF too, he's sure making it more prosperous and freer.
Here's the start of that misadventure.
View attachment 105937

Frater;
This is the chart I've seen before...with cap ascendant for the invasion.

Military: 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, horoscope for birth date 24 February 2022, born in Kyiv, with Astrodatabank biography - Astro-Databank

Horoscope and astrology data of Military: 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine born on 24 February 2022 Kyiv, Ukraine, with biography

www.astro.com

 

[leomoon]

9:30 p.m. on Oct. 6, 1952 should bring his Moon in Taurus within conjunction range of Algol. It should also move his Asc. from Scorpio to Taurus, comparing to Elena's posted Putin chart.

Algo would explain Putin's vicious nature, with the Libra stellium pasting a on it.

It would make his ASC 09:44 Cancer (no cigar!) with Uranus in the 1st hs. This is why I didn't post it last night.

 

[david starling]

It would make his ASC 09:44 Cancer (no cigar!) with Uranus in the 1st hs. This is why I didn't post it last night.

Thanks for trying!

Yeah, it flipped the MC close to 180°, from Leo to Aqua.

But, with the high latitude, it didn't do that for flipping the Asc from Scorpio to Taurus.

The average time for the Ascendant to be in one sign is 2 hours. But it varies widely depending on latitude.

Well, so much for Algol being the problem. I guess Putin is just a "functional, mentally ill psychopath with homicidal tendencies", like all of the other serial killers.

 

[leomoon]

Thanks for trying!

Yeah, it flipped the MC close to 180°, from Leo to Aqua.

But, with the high latitude, it didn't do that for flipping the Asc from Scorpio to Taurus.

The average time for the Ascendant to be in one sign is 2 hours. But it varies widely depending on latitude.

Well, so much for Algol being the problem. I guess Putin is just a "functional, mentally ill psychopath with homicidal tendencies", like all of the other serial killers.

the Pentagon said a close up zoom photo of the plane shows one wing was missing as it blew up which meant that the wing blew up first and they believe now it was a killing i.e. a murder via (explosion / bomb? ) We won't wait for a mea - culpa till he crosses over. IF you have another idea for a tob that seems really credible, I'll try a chart for it.

according to a very old interview I saw years ago with his mother when he visited G.W.Bush at the "ranch" in Texas I think it was - or before then; Vladimir knows this prayer VERY well since childhood:
Mea culpa, which means "through my fault" in Latin, comes from a prayer of confession in the Catholic Church. Said by itself, it's an exclamation of apology or remorse that is used to mean "It was my (added - "most grevious" ) fault" or "I apologize."


Thinking about it further, and the many charts I did in the past research; it seems to me that Algol might not be the source for the serial killer/torturer anyway without a conscience. That is more a victim star (karma if you will) Although for sure, "the corpses pile up" as the Chinese noted over there in Russia and now Ukraine or wherever that man goes.

 

[david starling]

Did Putin even have a religious upbringing?

Persecution of Christians in the Soviet Union - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Cap]

Nice little anti-Putin chat group you have here.

Yes, corpses pile up, not because Putin's Moon is supposedly on Algol but because chart for start of Ukraine war (and possibly this was start of WW3) has NN on Algol.
And btw, event chart clearly shows that Russia will win so don't get your hopes high.

 

[david starling]

Nice little anti-Putin chat group you have here.

Yes, corpses pile up, not because Putin's Moon is supposedly on Algol but because chart for start of Ukraine war (and possibly this was start of WW3) has NN on Algol.
And btw, event chart clearly shows that Russia will win so don't get your hopes high.

It's really an anti-aggressive war protest group. Putin's just the latest culprit.