Putin: White hat or villain?

JUPITERASC

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putin's exalted mercury libra conjunct saturn conjunct spica acts again to befuddle, bemuse & outplay the dimwitted nato alliances.

Russian President Putin warns the West.
Putin told NATO leaders to avoid trying to take advantage of the failed coup attempt
that unfolded over the past few hours. Of course, the collective West had fever dreams and fantasies

that Russian President Putin was about to be overthrown in a civil war,
a coup instigated by Western intelligence agencies. It backfired,
and now we're watching to see what NATO does next

PUTIN TRANSITING SATURN:saturn: TETRAGON NATAL MARS:mars:


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there is speculation that prigozhin (working with russian military & putin) accepted millions from nato (cia) to attempt a coup on russia but all the time, it was a fake insurrection. if it wasn't a fake coup, prigozhin & the wagner rebels would have been executed for treason. russia doesn't take too kindly to foreign interference in attempting to overthrow their government. instead, they are claiming that prigozhin has been sent to belarus & the other wagner soldiers are not going to be charged.

putin & prigozhin must be laughing at how easily they fooled the cia into believing that the wagner chief would turn against his own homeland. he has had many fights with the russian command but they are based on strategy, the wagner group always wanted russian military to move faster but putin held back to avoid mass casualties. he allowed the people to leave the country & even set up safe passage corridors. prigozhin wanted to just smash, bomb & obilterate & not have too much concern with the innocent civilians caught in the bombings. now, however, russian command & the wagner group have reached an agreement that pleases both of them.

mars uranus did show this uprising but it was coordinated & was never a threat to russia or putin. game, set & match to the russians once again.
if prigozhin really wanted to create an uprising, he would have done more than march to moscow only to turn back before firing one shot.

Russian State Duma is working on law to regulate Wagner Group, official says​


From CNN's Mariya Knight in Atlanta
The Russian State Duma, or lower house of parliament, is working on a law to regulate the Wagner Group, according to Andrey Kartapolov, head of the Defense Committee.
There’s been considerable speculation about Wagner’s future since its chief, Yevgeny Prigozhin, launched a rebellion this weekend.
Kartapolov’s remarks echo those of Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov, who said Saturday that an agreement had been reached on “the return of PMC Wagner to their locations.

Putin and Prigozhin share relatively humble beginnings, and the Wagner chief grew up in the tougher neighborhoods of St. Petersburg, also the president’s hometown.
The men have known each other since the 1990s. Prigozhin became a wealthy oligarch by winning lucrative catering contracts with the Kremlin, earning him the moniker “Putin’s chef.”
https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/26/europe/yevgeny-prigozhin-wagner-russia-intl/index.html
His apparent transformation into al warlord came in the aftermath of the 2014 Russian-backed separatist movement in the Donbas in eastern Ukraine.
Prigozhin founded Wagner as shadowy mercenary outfit that fought both in Ukraine and, increasingly, for Russian-backed causes around the world.
 

Shanti

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Jupiter ascendant says:
PUTIN TRANSITING SATURN:saturn: TETRAGON NATAL MARS

Could you explain what this means ?
Putins Mars is 26' Sagittarius with transiting Neptune squaring it.
Isn't THAT more important than a "tetragon" to his mars by saturn ?
I have 40 years of passionate astrology study under the belt, and
I don't even know what that means. :)

But it is the only astrology that is made on a
thread about the astrology of Putin. Why not move your post to the chat instead ? so
the real astrology can be seen in the midst of all the spam ?
 

david starling

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Interesting that tr.Mars exactly square tr.Uran at the time of Prigozchin's surprising "rebellion".

Also, tr.Mars @ 21° tropical Leo was trining Putin's natal Mars in Sagittarius.

It's possible this psychodrama in Russia was actually of benefit to Putin, rather than the disaster that Western pundits have been led to believe.
 
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FraterAC

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TRANSITING SATURN:saturn: TETRAGON NATAL MARS

Could you explain what this means
I think what our esteemed colleague was trying to say was, Saturn quintile natal Mars, although at 1:19 (today) many would consider that minor aspect out of orb. A tetragon, being a four-sided figure, would indicate a square aspect, if such terminology were used in astrology, which I have never heard being used. It does sound impressive though, no?
I assume the member in question would never confuse 1/5 with 1/4 (unless possibly the bottle was in metric).;)
 

david starling

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Honestly, D, I have no idea. All of it stinks. I can't imagine Putin authorizing armed forces advancing toward Moscow even as a sham. Mr. L granting asylum? How could that make Prigozhin feel safe?
I expect we'll be a while sorting it out -- if it ever does get sorted out.

Well, Neptune is squaring Putin's natal Mars.

I agree it would be an extreme measure to take. If it was a sham, it's scripted, and will have been sorted out in advance.

What's the reason?
Ans. The Russian people are completely fed up with this disgusting war, and are starting to see Putin as a monster. This will make him seem a more human and sympathetic character.
 

FraterAC

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This will make him seem a more human and sympathetic character.
Yeah, but at what risk? Some of the people were cheering Prigozhin, telling him, we're with you. And key military leaders were conspicuously silent.
If reports are to be believed.
 

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david starling

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Yeah, but at what risk? Some of the people were cheering Prigozhin, telling him, we're with you. And key military leaders were conspicuously silent.
If reports are to be believed.

The astrology chart Elana has posted for Putin on this thread is best described shows him as ruling with a "fist of iron". Pluto in Leo leads to the Sun-Saturn conjunction.

He's at no risk whatsoever, as long as the Russian people don't rise up against him en masse. This is helping him maintain their reluctant allegiance to his dictatorial regime. The military rulers are all going along with the ruse, giving false hope to the opposition.
 
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JUPITERASC

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The astrology chart Elana has posted for Putin on this thread is best described shows him as ruling with a "fist of iron". Pluto in Leo leads to the Sun-Saturn conjunction.
He's at no risk whatsoever, as long as the Russian people don't rise up against him en masse. This is helping him maintain their reluctant allegiance to his dictatorial regime. The military rulers are all going along with the ruse, giving false hope to the opposition.
You are delusional. You're watching too much western propaganda. Russians love Putin. They've seen what happened to Russia before Putin.
Country was in ruins after decade long rule of pro-western leaders. Putin fixed things, made Russia strong again.

It is delusional to think that people in Russia would ever again vote for pro-western leader. Besides Putin's party, 2nd strongest party in Russia is Communist party with 17%. Needless to say, they are also anti-western based. All 5 parliamentary parties in Russia support Putin and war in Ukraine. That's about 90% of people in Russia. Do you really think that Russians are crazy, that they will vote for their country to be dismantled in 7 pieces and all their natural riches plundered by the West? That's what would happen if pro-western leader emerges to power.

"..How do I say this as diplomatically as possible:
London is Washington's puppet. End of discussion.." :)

Col. Douglas MacGregor is straight to the point, as usual.

The problem with entering into a agreement or treaty with the Americans

is that after signing, they throw the document(s) into the trash can.

Good point about Wagner being more like the French Foreign Legion.

One thing is for sure: they are highly effective fighters, hence why they have the backing of so many in Russia.

PUTIN TRANSITING SATURN:saturn: TETRAGON NATAL MARS:mars:


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Pro-western traitors like Kasparov have maybe 0.5% support and those who love West have already left the country.
So rest assured, after Putin, there will be continuation of current Russian policy. Only, Putin's successor probably won't be so patient and probably won't hold down army efforts like Putin does.


https://rumble.com/v2083cy-russian-national-athem-constitution-day.html
 

beccaglass

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shantii posted

This thread is about Putin I suppose ?
Anyone remembering his chart and natal positions ?
Putin have his South node at 19' Leo 59'
At the resurrection by Prigozhin starting 23th june transiting Mars was at 19' Leo
In Judith Hill's book on the nodes south node mars connections is read:
"........accident prone...unlucky in war....dangers in armies......"

to be fair shantii, putin's chart is not the only one listed here, there are plenty of other charts posted. i understand now what you are referring to. however, you failed to mention that transiting venus is approaching into a conjunction with putin's pluto - south node aspect. a lie by omission is still a lie. by only mentioning d the hard aspects, you are not being honest in your astrology analysis. this failed coup lasted 11 hours, not even a threat to putin or to russia. if this was a serious uprising, the wagner rebels would have taken over key areas in moscow. but they stopped to have coffee & pastries & party with the russian people who welcomed them with open arms. they understand how patriotic the wagner rebels are, they won the war in bakhmut & pushed the ukranians out. they are well seasoned, brave, courageous rebel group who would never turn against their homeland which they have fought & died for.

mars is almost past any point of making any impact. this was not even an uprising, it was likely a planned event as putin would have ordered the immediate arrest & execution of proghzin & the wagner rebels for treason. instead, prigohzin has been sent to belarus which is more like a promotion than a punishment. there are nuclear weapons placed in belarus & likely putin put him in charge of them should usa via the nato proxy war decide to drop a nuke on russia. there would be a need for an experienced war commander to react quickly.
russia will never allow the west to outmaneuver them; they've been dealing with the hostile nato alliance for decades & their lust for war & control over that beautiful country called russia which has more natural resources than any nation on earth.

the trouble with astrologers who are so consumed with hate for putin is that they never acknowledge how superior his chart is in many ways & how the aspects work in his favor, particularly his exalted mercury libra aspects. he is the master strategist. always way ahead of the nato plots & plans. he was the former head of the kgb & knows more than most the games the cia play with russia.




Part of Putin’s addres to the Russian people

! “They (Ukraine/West) were rubbing their hands together and dreaming of revenge for their failures at the frontline and in the course of the so-called counteroffensive, but they miscalculated.”


Did Putin and Prigozhin Play the CIA to the Tune of $6 Billion?​





Kim Dotcom suggesting the $6.2 billion for Ukraine that Pentagon accountants “discovered” in June was actually pocketed by Prigozhin in return for his aborted coup attempt.








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Shanti

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So I am a lier now.
ok I am leaving this thread for good.
No use.....the polarisation here is too much to be enjoyable.
The universe will provide answers in due time anyway..

Bye bye
 

beccaglass

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is this message for the cia to justify to them why he took their $ 6 b dollar to create an uprising, a coup against putin as prizoghin is acting very strangely. is he a triple agent? pretending he turned against putin so cia - nato would pay his wagner group billions, then play the conquering villain marching to moscow to destroy the evil putin, only to stop & party with the russian people, have drinks & food & then march right back?
nobody except putin/prigozhin really know what happened but one thing is very clear. putin & russia are victorious in this information war as even the dishonest media are questioning how serious this so-called coup was. the mars uranus square at the time did indicate a conflict in the world but was the conflict manufactured by putin? the wagner rebels have all been rewarded instead of being punished with the big coup leader prizoghin being promoted to a key position in belarus with the allied forces. and while this show was going on, russian command moved 25,000 russian troops to a whole new area in ukraine. not even noticed or reported in the media but very important military strategy.



judge for yourself how sincere prigozhin is & whether he truly ever considered marching against russian except in some play acting game to appease the cia who paid his so much money. would be good to see his chart, he & putin are extremely close.



Wagner Boss Yevgeny Prigozhin Reveals in Audio Message Why He Marched Toward Moscow and Explains the Reason Behind His Retreat​




CNN reported that Wagner boss Yevgeny Prigozhin released a new audio recording on Monday explaining his decision to march toward Moscow and the reason why he retreated.

As the network noted, this is Prigozhin’s first audio message since announcing on Saturday night that his column was turning back “to avoid bloodshed.”

Prigozhin told the world that his march toward Moscow was merely a demonstration of protest and that he never intended to overthrow Vladimir Putin’s regime. He said he wanted to prevent the destruction of Wagner and “to bring justice to those who, through their unprofessional actions, made a huge number of mistakes during the special military operation.”

The Wagner head also said it was during this time Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko “extended his hand” and offered a legal way to assist the mercenary group.

We previously reported that Prigozhin agreed to depart from Russia following a deal allegedly brokered by Lukashenko. The accord had Putin’s full support.

As CNN has noted, Belarusian officials have yet to confirm if Prigozhin has arrived in the country or what his status will be in Belarus.




 

beccaglass

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shantii posted
So I am a lier now.
ok I am leaving this thread for good.
No use.....the polarisation here is too much to be enjoyable.
The universe will provide answers in due time anyway..

Bye bye

bye bye your choice to leave; i pointed out that your biased analysis of putin's chart is not being true to real astrology by only focusing on the negative or hard aspects in his chart. you have slandered me several times, calling what i post spam & propaganda yet i cannot call out your dishonest astrology? by omitting the venus pluto south node conjunction currently taking place in putin's chart & only mentioning the mars aspect which is dissolving, this is not a complete understanding of the events taking place. putin is the winner in this play acting ludicrous staged coup and venus, the smaller benefic is showing this to us.
 

beccaglass

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is prizoghin really in belarus? if so, likely he has been promoted to work with russia's closest allies belarus who have thousands of troops amassed there on the border ready to react if nato even dares to come near moscow or to drop a nuke. nuclear weapons were dispatched to belarus from russian a couple of months ago. or is back in moscow with putin having a good laugh about how they fooled the cia? the neocons in the usa, from both parties, were tweeting words of praise & support for prizoghan when they foolishly believed he was going to overthrow putin's government. after he retreated from moscow after having a nice lunch with the people, the neocons started deleting their tweets! never seen so much deleting go on overnight. with saturn moving in backwards motion, the neptune pisces disinformation war continuing, the west got played big time by the east.
 

JUPITERASC

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is prizoghin really in belarus? if so, likely he has been promoted to work with russia's closest allies belarus who have thousands of troops amassed there on the border ready to react if nato even dares to come near moscow or to drop a nuke. nuclear weapons were dispatched to belarus from russian a couple of months ago. or is back in moscow with putin having a good laugh about how they fooled the cia? the neocons in the usa, from both parties, were tweeting words of praise & support for prizoghan when they foolishly believed he was going to overthrow putin's government. after he retreated from moscow after having a nice lunch with the people, the neocons started deleting their tweets! never seen so much deleting go on overnight. with saturn moving in backwards motion, the neptune pisces disinformation war continuing, the west got played big time by the east.


NATO is Terrified! :)

Russia has Started Using the Most Powerful '..FAB-1000..' Bombs in Ukraine!


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david starling

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is prizoghin really in belarus? if so, likely he has been promoted to work with russia's closest allies belarus who have thousands of troops amassed there on the border ready to react if nato even dares to come near moscow or to drop a nuke. nuclear weapons were dispatched to belarus from russian a couple of months ago. or is back in moscow with putin having a good laugh about how they fooled the cia? the neocons in the usa, from both parties, were tweeting words of praise & support for prizoghan when they foolishly believed he was going to overthrow putin's government. after he retreated from moscow after having a nice lunch with the people, the neocons started deleting their tweets! never seen so much deleting go on overnight. with saturn moving in backwards motion, the neptune pisces disinformation war continuing, the west got played big time by the east.

Scorpio and Pluto, so prominent in Putin's chart, show that he's capable of deception when it comes to his real motives.

We agree that this was a bold and impressive propaganda ploy by Putin! He probably got the idea for it from Prigozhin, but it's being well-played. Putin's lackey Lukashenko will do anything Putin wants him to.
 
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JUPITERASC

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BBC operates freely in the heart of Moscow
and Russians have full access to all the Western media such as BBC, CNN, DW in Russian.

Plus the Russian media never gets emotional
or assigns any subjective labels to events.
It reports the facts and then you can draw your own conclusions. :)

It does not call Zelensky any names, it calls him the presisent of Ukraine, which he is.
It quotes the actual words politicians say :)

or describes the events that took place without assigning a good or bad connotation to it.


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david starling

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Scorpio and Pluto, so prominent in Putin's chart, show that he's capable of deception when it comes to his real motives.

We agree that this was a bold and impressive propaganda ploy by Putin! He probably got the idea for it from Prigozhin, but it's being well-played. Putin's lackey Lukashenko will do anything Putin wants him to.

Possible correlations--Putin has Sun conj Saturn, and this Wagner protest began soon after tr.Saturn turned retrograde. He also has his natal Mercury conj natal Neptune, which "muddles" his thinking, so it might not have been to his advantage to go along with Prigozhin's plan.

Another thing regarding his Mercury/Neptune conjunction, is that Putin seems to have "re-imagined" himself as a "conquering hero", restoring "Greater Russia", after Neptune ingressed its domicile-sign, Pisces in 2012.
 
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JUPITERASC

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Zelensky is a comedian & is likely the reason his "..counteroffensive.." is a joke :)

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