Putin: White hat or villain?

blackbery

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Talk to your man Biden, or rather the cabal that pull his strings. He's long gone with :neptune::conjunct: IC but Obama/Soros whose
strings are being pulled by the NWO are using his carcass or whatever that thing is in the fake WH to start ww3 to try to
destroy Russia since Putin's almost competely destroyed the NWO in Ukraine.

Everyone knows it was the US who blew up the pipeline. People have woken up & don't believe the lies anymore.
The :jupiter::saturn::pluto::conjunct::capricorn: changed EVERYTHING, exposed the cabal like never before.
We are on the precipice of eliminating the swamp entirely but they'll do anything to cling to :pluto:power because once they
lose, the power goes to the people.
These evil, dark psychopaths want to keep the endless wars going, want to eradicate 90% of the population & keep us
debt slaves forever.
They don't care how many millions die. Thank God Putin is in power at this time in History. He waited patiently for years to
come to a mutual agreement with NATO but they were never interested in peace. Putin had to react with force as
that's all they understand.
Putin :libra: 'Velvet Glove/Iron Fist' balance.

WHAT THE TV WONT TELL YOU ABOUT RUSSIA AND UKRAINE-THE CAUSE OF THE MILITARY OPERATION​

 
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Oddity

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The Saturn-inspired blame game is fun for some. But when the world is on the brink of war, it's about throwing gasoline on the fire.

I can't even IMAGINE that anyone in our Community prefers WAR to a reasonable, PEACEFUL, Libran-style settlement regarding the ongoing situation in Ukraine.
FORTUNATELY, Venus is currently transiting Libra, its domicile-sign; Mercury has stationed direct; and, Mars is moving out of trine with r.Saturn.
Venus currently rises before the sun. Not exactly an omen of peace. Somebody will start something - and I don't think it'll be Russia.
 

david starling

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For Mods, October 8th is important as the date Pluto stations direct.

Then for both Mods and Trads, October 22 is when Saturn ends its current retrograde cycle.
 

blackbery

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Totally agree Oddity, it won't be Russia that initiates the next phase of the nuclear showdown.
Good comment about :venus:as 'light-bringer' aka Lucifer aka Satan.
NATO is a perfect description.

Lucifer, (Latin: Lightbearer) Greek Phosphorus, or Eosphoros, in classical mythology, the morning star (i.e., the planet Venus at dawn); personified as a male figure bearing a torch, Lucifer had almost no legend, but in poetry he was often herald of the dawn. In Christian times
Lucifer came to be regarded as the name of Satan before his fall.
 

JUPITERASC

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Venus currently rises before the sun.
Indeed
CURRENT TRANSITS KIEV :)

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Not exactly an omen of peace.
Somebody will start something - and I don't think it'll be Russia.

Brilliant move by President PUTIN :)

Totally agree Oddity, it won't be Russia that initiates the next phase of the nuclear showdown.
Good comment about :venus:as 'light-bringer' aka Lucifer aka Satan.
NATO is a perfect description.

Lucifer, (Latin: Lightbearer) Greek Phosphorus, or Eosphoros,
in classical mythology, the morning star (i.e., the planet Venus at dawn);
personified as a male figure bearing a torch, Lucifer had almost no legend, but in poetry he was often herald of the dawn. In Christian times
Lucifer came to be regarded as the name of Satan before his fall.
Also war goddess Venus. Venus Lucifer - rises before the sun. Venus Hesperus - rises after the sun.
For those who are curious.
 

JUPITERASC

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Organized crime running the West will not be effecting regime change PUTIN Russia :)
as they did in Ukraine in 2014.
Why don't they have a regime change in the United States instead :)
Keep speaking the truth,
Obviously India is in agreement with Russia PUTIN
Russia are merely protecting themselves from the long arm of NATO
as US did during the Cuban missile crisis.


CURRENT TRANSITS KIEV

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Annexed territories were accomplished by the majority of Russian citizen votes
which is perfectly legal.
drop the preconceived bias's.

Zelensky is a marionette comedian president, installed by West, not the Ukrainian people
He speaks for the US not for the Ukrainian people.

UKRAINE WAS TALKING WITH PUTIN TILL BOJO STOPPED THE TALKS

Thanks bojo for causing ww3


List of counties bombed/attacked by USA after WW2.:)
Japan (1945)
Korea and China (1950-53)
Guatemala (1954)

Indonesia (1958)
Cuba (1959-61)
Guatemala (1960)
Congo (1964)

Laos (1964-73)
Vietnam (1961-73)
Cambodia (1969-70)
Guatemala (1967-69)
Grenada (1983)
Lebanon (1983-84)
Libya (1986)
El Salvador (1980’s)
Nicaragua (1980’s)
Iran (1987)
Panama (1989)
Iraq (1991)
Kuwait (1991)
Somalia (1993)
Bosnia (1994-95)
Sudan (1998)
Afghanistan (1998)
Yugoslavia (1999)

Yemen (2002)
Iraq (1991-2015)
Afghanistan (2001-15)

Pakistan (2007-15)
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JUPITERASC

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CURRENT TRANSITS KIEV
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PUTIN used same procedure to join Donbas with Russia, as USA when acquired Texas.
Be grateful to President PUTIN for proceeding in a reasoned, legal way
that minimizes civilian casualties.
PUTIN will always dot every i and cross every t
hence the slight delay making sure all is legal.
There has been great restraint
international community needs now,
- those that want to start freeing themselves from imperial US/UK hegemony :)

to together declare their recognition of all 5 regions (including Crimea) at the UN
as being Russian territory.
that precedent was created by UN, with US assistance of course

back in the 90’s when they annexed Kosovo.
UN amended UN charters back then to make it legal.


Russia is doing everything now to the t based on the same UN charters. All legal. :)

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david starling

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Totally agree Oddity, it won't be Russia that initiates the next phase of the nuclear showdown.
Good comment about :venus:as 'light-bringer' aka Lucifer aka Satan.
NATO is a perfect description.

Lucifer, (Latin: Lightbearer) Greek Phosphorus, or Eosphoros, in classical mythology, the morning star (i.e., the planet Venus at dawn); personified as a male figure bearing a torch, Lucifer had almost no legend, but in poetry he was often herald of the dawn. In Christian times
Lucifer came to be regarded as the name of Satan before his fall.

Although a GREAT Poetic writer of Fiction, John Milton, in the 17th Century, was neither a theologian nor an astrologer. He was nevertheless first to conflate Venus with Saturn (aka Christianity's evil being and "Prince of this World", "Satan"). This was despite Jesus being described as Lucifer, the "Light-bringer" in the New Testament.

Milton's chart is listed, and I see he had a stellium in tropical Capricorn of Mercury, Venus, and Saturn. That may have been the cause of his confused mistake, which unfortunately caught on during the early part of the Modern Era.
 
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JUPITERASC

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interesting that everyone claims PUTIN Russia's actions violate the UN charter, but
in fact they never cite which articles it violates. :)
In fact PUTIN Russia's actions are completely consistent with
the UN Charter, specifically articles 1 and 51

KIEV - TRANSITS

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It’s NOT ANNEXATION. Reunification - people voted overwhelmingly for that.
They have the right to decide, not the neocons and the warmongers
It’s within UN Charter and referring to UDHR right of people for self-determination . :)

Referendums are done with all legal procedures
and the participation of 100 international independent observers.
Those regions declared themselves independent years ago.

PUTIN recognised them as independent in February


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JUPITERASC

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KIEV TRANSITS

US & UK are the only countries to have used nuclear weapons against an adversary
Two atomic bombs made by the allied powers USA and UK
from uranium-235 and plutonium-239 were dropped on civilian cities
Hiroshima and Nagasaki respectively early in August 1945.
Production of the fissionable material plutonium-239 was developed

at the metallurgical laboratory of the University of Chicago
under the direction of Arthur Holly Compton
and involved the transmutation in a reactor pile of uranium-238.
US tested uranium-235 and plutonium-239 bombs to see if cheaper to make
plutonium-239 was as effective as uranium-235 from enriched uranium-238?

PUTIN waited for 8 years asking Ukraine and Nato to respect 2 Minsk agreements
then in March another meeting in Turkey to try to convince ZELENSKY to singn peace agreement
ZELINSKY is literally a puppet comedian - an actor. A placed actor. By the west.

Russia stopped Napoleon and Hitler . They don’t mess around
PUTIN has been incredibly patient.

there are two possible outcomes of this conflict :
Either the Russians win on the battlefield and in that case Ukraine will continue to exist
just with less territory and a bruised ego for NATO

- that's the best outcome for everyone
- or the Ukrainians will win on the conventional battlefield

that will trigger most likely nuclear strikes and the start of WW3
which will trigger nuclear annihilation for all of us

- that's the nightmare scenario for everyone.

NATO - “...we are not prepared to send people from our member states

to die in our own proxy war. That is the Ukraine’s job...”

balance of power is about to tilt aggressively in favor of Russia

they have sent so far their Soviet era stock of weapons
now they are sending more modern ones
while Ukraine has burned through their own Soviet era stocks + NATO Soviet era stocks
and NATO is reluctant to send more modern NATO armor.

This ain't gonna end well for Ukraine
because this equipment shift happens exactly at the same time when
Ukraine is about to lose numerical advantage too.
worth noting that
ZELENSKY had to learn better Ukrainian language before going to power :)
as his mother tongue is actually Russian.

Russia's newest submarine put to sea today
Russia's Belgorod submarine, their top of the line nuclear weapon submarine

is no longer at its port in the white sea, military intelligence has said.
This is getting real

and it carries six of the newest nuclear powered underwater drones
capable of carrying a 100 megaton warhead to a max range of 10,000 kilometers.

Imagine detonating one of those of the East coast of the United States
and the devastation that would cause

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JUPITERASC

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GRAND aka GREAT CONJUNCTION 21 MAY 1702 - current transits
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Voting on annexed regions, how many times must people vote
and the results be recognized
this is the third time voting since 1991.

Maybe it's time Ukraine let go of the East as they don't want to be part and parcel of Ukraine.
1992 they vote to stay with Russia, but. Being ignored
ZELENSKY knows people will elect to be with Russia!!!!
Elon Musk is right
GIVE PEOPLE THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE!! It’s their lives
Elon Musk's version of a renewed Minsk agreement is too little too late. :)
That train has left a long time ago.

This war will be settled on Russia's terms whether the West likes it or not
and if the US and its NATO minions intervene in Ukraine

they will immediately wish they hadn't
because NATO will be annihilated.
Just to be clear. PUTIN didn't say he will use nuclear weapon.
PUTIN said Russia will defend itself at all cost.

DEFEND. Feel the difference



ZELENSKY involved in orchestrating this war.
making plenty money off of it.
Great actor - great actor. Good find for the management.

"...Gotta understand Yugoslavia to understand what's happening in Ukraine..." :)


In 1992 in Lisbon
leaders of ethnic Serbs, Croats and Muslims living in Bosnia and Herzegovina
signed Carrington-Cutillero agreement which was to put an end to conflict brewing there.
Unfortunately after ten days Muslim leader Alija Izetbegowić cancelled his signature

right after meeting with American ambassador Warren Zimmermann.
We saw exactly the same in Ukraine after some agreement was reached in Istanbul in late March




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JUPITERASC

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Russians PUTIN never said they'd use nukes "...against Ukraine..."
What they said is
that IF their country is attacked, or its existence threatened :)
they would target "...command centers..." and made it very clear those centers ARE NOT IN UKRAINE. :)
Btw; Spain's business TV just announced that
OPEP+ is considering to cut up to 2 million barrels oil production x day:

People are laughing their behind off at the g7 "...demand cartel..."

The Superweapon they're talking about
is the Poseidon torpedo
a weapon that can cause nuclear tsunamis.

The Belgorod has 2 roles

- launch nukes
and
launch deep diving midget submarines
that do repairs on underwater infrastructure - nord stream pipeline
This sub is a regular visitor in and around the black sea - nothing new here


GRAND aka GREAT CONJUNCTION 21 MAY 1702 - current transits
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Regarding Russia's Sarmat, even mentioning it with the U.S. Patriot system should be embarrassing.
The mere thought that the Patriot, or any other ABM system currently operational in the U.S.,
could somehow stop the Sarmat is far beyond laughable. :)


Depending on their warhead loads - "...traditional..." MIRVs,
or hypersonic Avangard maneuvering re-entry-vehicles cum warheads

2-3 Sarmats could end the existence of the United States as a functioning nation.
This is SERIOUS business, and people need to understand this. :)

Cuban Missile Crisis - situation we are now in is FAR, FAR more dangerous:

A hot war with the world's #1 nuclear power:
Whether you like it or not, that power is currently Russia.
Any competent Russian military commander
and of those there are many

has already identified the targets in the Ukraine he would attack with low-yield tactical nuclear weapons.
Were he to be given the order to do so by his Commander-in-Chief
the Ukraine would end as a functioning nation.
Then the ball would be in NATO's aka translation: America's - court.
Counterattack? Then the U.S. or one of its allies might face the Poseidon.
And were the U.S. to choose to prolong the confrontation, it too could be annihilated.

It doesn't help to destroy your enemy if you, too, will be vaporized
incinerated and contaminated with nuclear fallout.
That is MAD - the doctrine of Mutually Assured Destruction. :)

20-30 years ago most people understood that.
Today, even the people in the State Department, the Pentagon, the NSC and the White House no longer do :)

when was Ukraine adopted as a USA state or territory?
Has it been hidden from the American public?
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JUPITERASC

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David, you don't know Putin's TIME OF BIRTH so you cannot use houses.
Nor ascendant :)
Well, you can, but it's not accurate & it's misleading & deceitful.
I love to use Solar arcs, progressed declinations and progressions ..so I took a look of Putins chart for fun.

9.8 this year Putin had progressed Mercury opposition Moon. That is need to fulfill personal needs. I think (one) root of this war is him wanting to leave his mark in history as a man who returned ”greatness of imperial Russia.” (Progression)

Then again 17.9 his progressed Mars was crossing contraparallel Jupiter. That gives energy and enthusiasm. It can indicate success in war, and politics. One should balance competitive spirit with cooperative approach or misjudgments easily occur. (Prog.declinations)

End of November SA Pluto is in conjunction to his Ascendant. That is extremely important time of life and dramatic changes of perspective are possible. Also geographic relocation is possible. (Solar arc)
:)no time of birth so ascendant is speculative - unknown :)
At the same time transiting Saturn has been squaring his Jupiter since last March and bringning extreme restlessness and hasty reactions. It’s bringing back things from 7 years ago: for example Minsk II was signed Feb 2015. At the same time Saturn is in opposition to MC.
dirty data - MC unknown - speculative :)

Also from since March. So he is living important time: It might also show pressure to concentrate domestic affairs instead of war. (Transit)

Then at the beginning of March 2023 SA Ascendant square Sun that is personality clarification through the reactions of others. (Solar ARC)
dirty data - all speculation - time of birth unverified and therefore speculation
Maybe I have time look at Zelensky's chart one day.
Some astrologers are not even sure if Putin's YEAR of birth is correct!
KGB not known for their transparency!
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Vladimir Putin and His Dirty Data Horoscope

We don’t use the suggested astrology charts for Vladimir Putin as they are all DD rated. That’s Dirty Data, the classification introduced by Lois Rodden many years ago, to get rid of the problem of unverified birth data.
Exactly David.
But you & others are placing planets in HOUSES & you cannot do that as you don't know the time.
You can only use a chart without houses!
Even a very gifted astrolger who rectifies a chart (& it's very difficult to do) is simply GUESSING!
Astrology is not about 'guessing'! Facts please!


.Instructions for calculation of TRUTINE OF HERMES a rectification method that Lilly used
are stated in great detail
at
http://www.rosicrucian.com/zineen/pamen034.htm
where it is titled THE PRENATAL EPOCH :)
HOWEVER
the Trutine of Hermes is aka The Prenatal Epoch
Certainly the method requires time to process
and so for anyone interested to rectify
it is simply a matter of taking time to read, study

and then follow those instructions

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It is for reference
:)not reliable - dirty data

and for fun.

Also mostly done without houses..other parts except

mc and asc references.
mc and asc completely speculative - due to unverified dirty data
 
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HeartTree

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Disclaimer: Mc and Asc references are of course speculative.

I love to use Solar arcs, progressed declinations and progressions ..so I took a look of Putins chart for fun. So don't be so serious about it :)!! Putin’s birth of time is not verified, but this kind of work help us in rectification when the time passes and events unfold. Chart Rectification is usually done through timing important events in the person's life, and correlating them with hypothetical house cusps.

9.8 this year Putin had progressed Mercury opposition Moon. That is need to fulfill personal needs. I think (one) root of this war is him wanting to leave his mark in history as a man who returned ”greatness of imperial Russia.” (Progression)

Then again 17.9 his progressed Mars was crossing contraparallel Jupiter. That gives energy and enthusiasm. It can indicate success in war, and politics. One should balance competitive spirit with cooperative approach or misjudgments easily occur. This might not be so good thing as I have noticed that contraparallels broke things more that deliver “the promise”. (Prog.declinations)

End of November SA Pluto is in conjunction to his Ascendant. That is extremely important time of life and dramatic changes of perspective are possible. Also geographic relocation is possible. (Solar arc)

At the same time transiting Saturn has been squaring his Jupiter since last March and bringning extreme restlessness and hasty reactions. It’s bringing back things from 7 years ago: for example Minsk II was signed Feb 2015. At the same time Saturn is in opposition to MC. Also from since March. So he is living important time: It might also show pressure to concentrate domestic affairs instead of war. (Transit)

Then at the beginning of March 2023 SA Ascendant square Sun that is personality clarification through the reactions of others. (Solar ARC)

Maybe I have time look at Zelensky's chart one day.
 
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JUPITERASC

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I love to use Solar arcs, progressed declinations and progressions ..so I took a look of Putins chart for fun. So don't be so serious about it :)!! Putin’s birth of time is not verified, but this kind of work help us in rectification when time passes and events unfold.

Putin’s birth of time is not verified, but this kind of work help us in rectification when time passes and events unfold.

.Instructions for calculation of TRUTINE OF HERMES a rectification method that Lilly used
are stated in great detail
at
http://www.rosicrucian.com/zineen/pamen034.htm
where it is titled THE PRENATAL EPOCH

HOWEVER
the Trutine of Hermes is aka The Prenatal Epoch
Certainly the method requires time to process
and so for anyone interested to rectify
it is simply a matter of taking time to read, study

and then follow those instructions
9.8 this year Putin had progressed Mercury opposition Moon. That is need to fulfill personal needs. I think (one) root of this war is him wanting to leave his mark in history as a man who returned ”greatness of imperial Russia.” (Progression)

Then again 17.9 his progressed Mars was crossing contraparallel Jupiter. That gives energy and enthusiasm. It can indicate success in war, and politics. One should balance competitive spirit with cooperative approach or misjudgments easily occur. This might not be so good thing as I have noticed that contraparallels broke things more that deliver “the promise”. (Prog.declinations)

End of November SA Pluto is in conjunction to his Ascendant. That is extremely important time of life and dramatic changes of perspective are possible. Also geographic relocation is possible. (Solar arc)

At the same time transiting Saturn has been squaring his Jupiter since last March and bringning extreme restlessness and hasty reactions. It’s bringing back things from 7 years ago: for example Minsk II was signed Feb 2015. At the same time Saturn is in opposition to MC. Also from since March. So he is living important time: It might also show pressure to concentrate domestic affairs instead of war. (Transit)

Then at the beginning of March 2023 SA Ascendant square Sun that is personality clarification through the reactions of others. (Solar ARC)

Maybe I have time look at Zelensky's chart one day.
 
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blackbery

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Disclaimer: Mc and Asc references are of course speculative.

I love to use Solar arcs, progressed declinations and progressions ..so I took a look of Putins chart for fun. So don't be so serious about it :)!! Putin’s birth of time is not verified, but this kind of work help us in rectification when time passes and events unfold.

Astrology is not making up stuff for 'fun'.:whistling::whistling::whistling:

It's calculations based on mathematics & science.

The interpretation is personal, not set in stone.
But if you analyzing a chart based on unverified time then it's NOT astrology.
It's misleading & deceitful to use houses, Solar Arcs, AC/DC/MC/IC..since they are just made up!
...and the analysis is totally IRRELEVANT!





 

HeartTree

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Astrology is not making up stuff for 'fun'.:whistling::whistling::whistling:
It's calculations based on mathematics & science.

The interpretation is personal, not set in stone.
But if you analyzing a chart based on unverified time then it's NOT astrology.
It's misleading & deceitful to use houses, Solar Arcs, AC/DC/MC/IC..since they are just made up!
...and the analysis is totally IRRELEVANT!

I said for fun because its not rectified chart. Chart Rectification is done through timing important events in the person's life, and correlating them with hypothetical house cusps. That's mathematics & science and highly relevant work 😍😍😍😍😍
 
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