Putin: White hat or villain?

blackbery

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Oh, dear, we are back to the 'asteroid' astrology!

As I posted earlier, there are approx 25,000 asteroids floating around in space. The only ones that the serious astrology community agrees are the ones to study are :vesta:ceres, :pallas::juno:
THe others are fun to play around with but no actual astrologer would base a chart reading on one asteroid (major or not) to claim that a person is 'evil' or 'good'. We need to adhere to astrology rules & calling Putin 'a bad man' coz the asteroid lucifer is :conjunct::sun: is peurile & ludicrous. What about all the other asteroids :conjunct: Putin's :sun:? I post a chart with just 5! There are probably at least 100 :conjunct: ANY person's :sun::lol::lol::lol:

Mmmm. not sure if you're aware of recent developments in the court that proved Killary/Obama/CIA/FBI/DNC created the Fake dossier & there was no Trump-Russia collusion. The only collusion was the Dems w/the deep state.
Typical of her satanic :scorpio: planets (like O'Biden) & Obama's debilitated :jupiter::saturn::capricorn::conjunct: House 12. :unsure:

They're all going to prison for treason/sedition. It's written in their charts.

Now you're trying to blame 'bad Putin' for Brexit, open borders & all the problems with the jihadists in Europe? Duh? Remember it was Trump who stopped the Russian pipeline & warned Germany to not rely on Russia but to expand & buy US oil & gas. Trump had the most secure border ever.
O'Biden did the exact opposite, closed the US pipeline & opened the Russian one & then put sanctions on Russia so they couldn't sell to Germany.
Xiden opened the US borders & over 3 M illegals have flooded in.

It's called projection (ruled by :pluto:) when you blame 'bad Putin, 'orangeman bad' for all the problems the Demonrats/NATO created themselves.
It's they Dems/NATO that are the criminals, the traitors & who collude with the NWO to destroy democracy.

Lots of very nefarious, demonic entities involved with the Dems so it's not surprising that many of them have very strong :scorpio::pluto: elements where they live in the swamp & sting with their poisons & toxicity. They haven't learned how to evolve into the 3rd element of :scorpio: to rise above the black goo & become an eagle or phoenix.




Nord Stream 2: Trump approves sanctions on Russia gas pipeline


U.S. waives sanctions on Nord Stream 2 as Biden reverses Trump policy.



Putin has been more than patient with NATO/US attempting a diplomatic solution to the Ukraine issues. :libra: stellium will only go into :mars: armed conflict when there is no other choice.


FEC fines Hillary Clinton campaign and DNC over Trump-Russia dossier research


The DNC was fined $105,000 and the Clinton campaign was fined $8,000.





Putin is more powerful than many people realize.

He's got some kind of hold over Trump that is infecting the far right wing of the Republican party. (Cf. Blackbery's posts.) Russian operatives promoted Brexit. Putin is thrilled with millions of Ukrainian refugees pouring into eastern and central Europe, because they are liable to politically destabilize these countries. He's an old pal of Marine Le Pen, the French presidential candidate who would like to pull France out of NATO. He's got Germany, Europe's largest economy, dependent on Russian oil.

He's made allies of major countries like India; or has at the very least convinced them to stay neutral (like Israel.)

And that's not to mention computer hacking and disinformation campaigns.

Asteroid Lucifer conjunct sun, folks. Reminds me of these lines from Tolkien, Fellowship of the Rings:

“One Ring to rule them all,
One Ring to find them,
One Ring to bring them all
and in the darkness bind them.”
 

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blackbery

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Putin wives?:unsure:

He's been married ONCE, now separated & living with a much younger girlfriend. He was married for over 30 years so not sure where you are getting your intel but he has no 'wives'.

But now, are we judging a person if they get divorced?

How many times have members been married? Divorced?

This is why astrology is not taken seriously by the general public. When assteroids are used to judge an entire chart & Juno is used for biased & untrue comments.

SAD how astrology has fallen on this thread.



Before I go to bed, I wanted to apologize to Elena, for being upset when she asked me about the asteroid Juno and Putin's wives. \:
 

blackbery

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You mean Putin is more powerful than O'Biden who has NATO/EU/IMF/DNC/RINOs/CIA/FBI/MSM/BIG TECH on his side?:surprised:
You know, all the POWER :pluto: organizations, not to forget the Corporate-Military Industrial Alliance.

Putin has allies (BRICS), countries that align with him & not the NWO, one world gov't. They are on the right side of history. Period.

We are witnessing the end of the world domination by the evil :pluto:entities who create war for profit & create chaos (divide & conquer strategy) to limit control & power to the very few at the top.

It began slowly with :pluto: Ingress :capricorn: (tear down, eliminate) & ramped up with the :jupiter::saturn::pluto::conjunct::capricorn:
We are now in the final stages with :pluto::capricorn: 29 critical degree.




Putin is more powerful than many people realize.
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blackbery

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Maybe Waybread would like to start her own thread about Marine Le Pen & the French Election. I guess if she wins on Sunday (praying she does win against that traitor puppet Macron), Putin is the one that got her elected! Wow, he really is powerful. :whistling::whistling::whistling:
Guess it has nothing to do with the fact that she's considered France's 'daughter' & has huge support with the people because she wants to keep the insane # of refugees from flooding into their country, costing them billions in welfare costs. Are the lunatic left willing to give France billions to take care of them? :innocent:
How many innocent French people have been slaughtered by the jihadists?:crying::crying::crying:

Wanting to secure your country's border is the right thing to do. Period.
Anyone with one shred of integrity would understand this.

Like I said, the world's global elites are being toppled by Nationalists like Le Pen, Putin, Bolsanaro & other world leaders. Their corrupt :capricorn: system is crumbling. Elimination then regeneration is the name of the game with :pluto:
 

david starling

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Maybe Waybread would like to start her own thread about Marine Le Pen & the French Election. I guess if she wins on Sunday (praying she does win against that traitor puppet Macron), Putin is the one that got her elected! Wow, he really is powerful. :whistling::whistling::whistling:
Guess it has nothing to do with the fact that she's considered France's 'daughter' & has huge support with the people because she wants to keep the insane # of refugees from flooding into their country, costing them billions in welfare costs. Are the lunatic left willing to give France billions to take care of them? :innocent:
How many innocent French people have been slaughtered by the jihadists?:crying::crying::crying:

Wanting to secure your country's border is the right thing to do. Period.
Anyone with one shred of integrity would understand this.

Like I said, the world's global elites are being toppled by Nationalists like Le Pen, Putin, Bolsanaro & other world leaders. Their corrupt :capricorn: system is crumbling. Elimination then regeneration is the name of the game with :pluto:


We have to wait until Pluto ingresses Aqua to know for certain what the manifestations will be.

Pluto in Cap has been worse than anyone I know of predicted in advance.
 

blackbery

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We are already seeing the outcome of :pluto::capricorn: as it winds down to the end. The end of MSM (they are all going bankrupt, CNN + just shut down after 21 days), the real news is now what they called 'independent media with average views of 1 - 5 Million per show. Big Tech is next.

Nobody cares about the old 'powers that be' that ruled the world, they are being exposed for the corrupt institutions that they are. NATO/EU/WEF/IMF all will be eliminated.
Even the entire medical industry is under-going a major :pluto: transformation.

Well, astrology did tell us what happened last time :pluto::capricorn: which affected the entire world forever.

America fought a mighty battle against England & won. The 'upstart' colony which England had dominated, exploited & used told the Brits to 'eff
off' as they weren't going to be controlled by them anymore.:lol:

USA threw off their shackles & became independent, became free.

July 4, 1776.

It wasn't easy. People lost their lives, their homes, their families. They had moments of great pain, of suffering. :pluto: is the most brutal planet because there's no escape. But, in the end, the country of America emerged with the greatest Constitution ever established & the freest country in the world.:smile::smile::smile:

We are still experiencing the suffering as the 'old world' collapses but what will eventually emerge will be freedom for humanity like we've never known before.

You know, no more wars based on profit & lies to start with.
Like the deep state are trying to push with Putin. These NWO demons want nothing more than to start ww3, nuclear this time.

Putin ain't taking the bait. He knows how they operate.:whistling::whistling::whistling:

Even though we don't know the houses, we do know he's a strategic :libra: stellium intellect who studies how the enemy operates.



JUST IN - Russia test-fired the new RS-28 Sarmat intercontinental ballistic missile.

Putin: "The missile will provide food for thought for those who try to threaten Russia."


It's called 'Peace through Strength'

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/14427471



We have to wait until Pluto ingresses Aqua to know for certain what the manifestations will be.

Pluto in Cap has been worse than anyone I know of predicted in advance.
 

waybread

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Elena, [deleted attacking comments - Moderator], but what I've written about Putin's efforts to destabilize other countries is common knowledge among people who keep up with global politics from a centrist position. People on the American hard right are basically Russian assets-- they do Vladimir Putin's propaganda work for him, for free. This is true of hard right politicians globally, like Marine Le Pen's pledge to pull France out of NATO.

One example:

The Muller Report concluded that Russian operatives did try to swing the 2016 election in favor of Donald Trump, notably by feeding Wikileaks the Clinton and DNC emails. (However, it also backed Trump's point that he did not personally collude with them.)

We can also try logic. If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's a duck.

See: "What if Putin didn't miscalculate?"
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/29/opinion/ukraine-war-putin.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_policy_of_Vladimir_Putin

and especially:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics

This book, published in 1997, has been Putin's playbook.

Unfortunately you won't get this kind of information on Breitbart, which has been soft-pedaling Russia's horrific invasion of Ukraine to the point of ignoring it.


The larger astrological point here is that a mundane or political leader's chart interpretation doesn't exist in a vacuum from its political contexts.

Elena, you've talked about the need to "keep an open mind" about Vladimir Putin and his horoscope, despite the extensive evidence of his Ukraine war atrocities and suppression of free speech in Russia.

Maybe we should entertain the possibility that Putin is a "white hat" all around good guy, and that no true Libra would hurt a fly. But I don't think that's what "an open mind" entails if one ignores morality-- whether one's own of the morality during wartime as enshrined in the Geneva Convention. We cannot ignore facts on the ground.

The astrologer's job is to explain reality to the best of our ability. And sometimes that reality is pretty horrible. An open mind doesn't mean fence-sitting in the face of mounting facts.
 
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waybread

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David, thanks for giving us the early background on Lucifer. Since ancient times, however, Lucifer has been one of the names of the devil.

Speaking of asteroids, Vladimir Putin's ex wife is named Lyudmila. Asteroid Ludmilla conjuncts his ascendant within the degree. (I use the Astrodienst Oct. 7, 1952 9:30 am chart, which works pretty well.)
 
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david starling

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David, thanks for giving us the early background on Lucifer. Since ancient times, however, Lucifer has been one of the names of the devil.
Speaking of asteroids, Vladimir Putin's ex wife is named Lyudmila. Asteroid Ludmilla conjuncts his ascendant within the degree. (I use the Astrodienst Oct. 7, 1952 9:30 am chart, which works pretty well.)

Only since the late 17th Century. Before that, the Devil was Satan, according to the New Testament, in which "Lucifer" meant "Light-bringer".

Putin's murderous insanity is due to his Saturn in Libra in H12, exacerbated by his Ascendant-ruler, Pluto transiting Capricorn, imo.
 
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ElenaJ

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David, thanks for giving us the early background on Lucifer. Since ancient times, however, Lucifer has been one of the names of the devil.

Speaking of asteroids, Vladimir Putin's ex wife is named Lyudmila. Asteroid Ludmilla conjuncts his ascendant within the degree. (I use the Astrodienst Oct. 7, 1952 9:30 am chart, which works pretty well.)

Some further insights into Lucifer....

"The asteroid should be used in a tight orb of 0-3′. It’s most powerful when in a conjunction to one of the planets or angles. Lucifer is much about bravery and here you’re willing to take risks to change what has been taken for granted. Often you may feel alone on the journey as a strong Lucifer indicates going against the mainstream or patriarchic standards. Lucifer is about developing your ego without fear and trusting in yourself. It’s not negative but could come across as negative in the perception of others at first sight, as you’re doing things differently, your way. However, simultaneously you may feel a bit anxious as you fear to be viewed as evil for choosing a new and different approach for questioning the leaders and authority figures. It can create self doubt which limits the ego and therefore failure. But in the end, Lucifer is about aligning with your truest self."
From https://plutonicdesire.net/asteroid-lucifer/

"This one reference seems to a spawned a thousand interpretations, misinterpretations and cloaked histories than shroud Lucifer himself in as much mystery as his name invokes. Suffice is to say however, in modern times, his name has become synonymous with the Christian concept of ‘The Devil’.

Chiefly, it was the ancient Jewish Book of Enoch that took the story of fallen angels and ran with it. Within it, you will find much of the history of angels as we know now. However the book of Enoch itself is hotly disputed in Jewish circles and none of the histories, Jewish, Greek or otherwise, readily offer an explanation for Lucifer’s appearance or connection to ‘Satan’.

What we do know is that Lucifer meant shining one, light bringer, light bearer or morning star. The name Lucifer has fallen out of favour in modern Bibles and now only shows up in Isaiah’s chapter as ‘the morning star, son of the dawn’.

The morning star however is a reference to Venus. Perhaps the concept of the ‘fall’ links to how Venus shifts from being a morning to evening star. She ‘falls’ from light into darkness, reflecting the story of Innana’s journey into the underworld. It’s interesting that in a time when it was mostly men who were notable figures in science, Lucifer was discovered by a woman."
https://www.leahwhitehorse.com/2013/02/03/asteroid-lucifer/

"Lucifer in the natal chart tells us the part of us we’re inclined to doubt that we should develop. It’s a part of us we’ll avoid really giving attention for fear of being or being perceived to be selfish, arrogant, self-aggrandizing. Yet it is the road to developing and giving our greatest gifts. "
https://www.tdjacobs.com/articles/seeing-dark-rethinking-lilith-lucifer/



Quite complex, this Lucifer!
 

blackbery

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:conjunct::sun:Mmmmmmmmmm. Notice there are NO comments about all the other asteroids :conjunct::sun: Putin, at least 100, some within less that one degree orb. Alaska, Cambridge, Jenny, Glass to name a few of the 100f +.

No, the 'Putin haters' focus on one asteroid (which millions of people have :conjunct::sun::moon: etc). Again, what are you trying to imply? That Putin is a devil? Again, with the :pluto: projection. Putin called out the WEF for their satanic agenda. He told them 'go ahead, do what you like but keep Russia out of it'. Not long after that, he kicked the central banks out of Russia which is how the NWO steals billions from each country. Any world leader who opposes their corrupt banking system is murdered. Do the research.

A good article which members could take heed of:

The Asteroid Lucifer And Abuse (Of Astrology


I’ve written about asteroids a couple of times before, and anyone who has read my work for long probably knows I’m pretty dismissive of asteroids in astrology in general… or at the very least, I’m suspicious of anyone who makes any claim about anyone based on an asteroid placement without lots of supporting info from the usual planets. You know: actual planets… the ones astrologers have been using, testing, and observing for thousands of years.

First of all, the assertion that all serial killers share an astrological signature involving the asteroid Lucifer in a conjunction, square, or opposition within nine degrees of the Sun, Moon, or any planet out to Pluto does not statistically stand up. Simple math can demonstrate that about 90% of the human population has the “signature” you’re talking about. And — do the math — if a “serial killer” is someone who has killed two or more people, wouldn’t we all be dead by now?

Anyone can make a mistake, and few people want to be called out on it — even though all it took was a little simple math to dismiss your Lucifer theory. My issue with you, you seem to have gotten pretty high on your own supply, to the detriment of both your clients and astrology in general.

https://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/ohmystars/2017/04/asteroid-lucifer-abuse-astrology.html

But carry on...Putin 'bad', Zelensky 'good' even though he's been installed to carry out the orders of the NWO.:innocent::innocent::innocent:

Zelensky won the presidential election in 2019 after much of his campaign was allegedly bankrolled by one of Ukraine’s richest — and most corrupt — oligarchs, Igor Kolomoisky.


Nothing to see here, just another corrupt, degenerate, bribed politician worth over 1 billion dollars & multi-dollar mansions throughout the world. Wait until the GOP reveal to the world the Xiden Crime family connection to Ukraine biolabs with help from Zelensky & the DoD!:sick::sick::sick:

The REAL astrology shows he's on a downward trend. :pluto::conjunct::sun::opposition::mars:not a transit going away anytime soon.
The people are beginning to learn about who he is really working for & how he's willing to sacrifice more Ukranian innocents lives to keep the :pluto: global
elites running the show. At least he can run to his homes when :saturn::moon::conjunct: hits the people & demand his resignation.
But he better not run with his high heel stilettos or 'man bra' or he'll never make it.
:D:D:D

Ukraine is a giant playground of corruption for the Deep State and Ukrainian President Zelensky is a leftwing globalist puppet of the satanic cabal.
 

blackbery

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Thanks to the anti-Russia propaganda media whores, there is blatant discrimination against Russians & Belarus where all athletes, chess players, etc have been BANNED from competing in international competitions. How can this hatred of people from Russia & Belarus help Ukraine? Did the world boycott Amercian athletes when Bush/O'Bummer invaded Iraq, Libya based on lies & deceit? They killed millions, O is known as the 'Drone Killer' & even Xiden already killed many children/families but claims it was all a mistake.
This Russian/Belarus hatred & discrimination is fueled by the non-stop :neptune::pisces: disinformation where everything is inverted, good is now bad & bad is now good.

The Demonrats even erased the name of a Russian Cosmonaut even though he died over 4 years ago & has nothing to do with the Ukraine conflict.
Same with the athletes & chess players.
But it's all okay with the western world; I guess if the lunatic left start shooting Russians & Belarusians that will be okay too. SICK.


‘Discrimination’: Reaction to Wimbledon’s Russia, Belarus ban
Wimbledon has banned entry to players from Russia, Belarus due to the war in Ukraine.


The International Chess Federation (FIDE) ruled that Sergey Karjakin will not be allowed to play for six months. One of the world's top chess players, he has been banned for his support of Russia's Ukraine invasion.


Russian cosmonaut Yuri Gagarin, the first person in space, has been stripped of his honours by the Space Foundation “in light of current world events".
pic.twitter.com/KKq31bb5D6
 

ElenaJ

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This is certainly a very hot topic!

One sincere request to all, please refrain from labelling or inserting personal comments about those who post, let's just refer to the topic and the charts/astrology.
We are a group working together to examine the charts, not combating against one another.
Thank you.

The final line hasn't been drawn yet, on whether Putin is White hat or Villain. Or both?

Asteroids I believe do actually add to the general picture, and as Blackberry wrote should not be used on their own to arrive at conclusions.
They are like seasoning to a salad.

Lucifer, for example, is much more complex than just the "devil".
"It’s not negative but could come across as negative in the perception of others at first sight, as you’re doing things differently, your way. However, simultaneously you may feel a bit anxious as you fear to be viewed as evil for choosing a new and different approach for questioning the leaders and authority figures."


On the transit front:

The latest full moon was conjunct Putin's mercury/neptune, the April 30 new moon with partial solar eclipse will conjunct his 1st house Venus.

The May 16 lunar eclipse will square Zelensky's Saturn and the Ukraine moon.
 

david starling

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I see the evil version of Lucifer as various combinations of Saturn, Venus, Mars, and Pluto.

This can lead those in power to commit evil acts, believing that they're serving God, and behaving righteously.

For example, when the Inquisition was burning women at the stake, it was to "save" them from burning in the fires of H€ll.
 

leomoon

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I see the evil version of Lucifer as various combinations of Saturn, Venus, Mars, and Pluto.

This can lead those in power to commit evil acts, believing that they're serving God, and behaving righteously.

For example, when the Inquisition was burning women at the stake, it was to "save" them from burning in the fires of H€ll.


I haven't seen anything in today's leader in Russia, namely Putin, nor his allies more recently Assad or others as believing in any kind of higher version of a god or soul then themselves. That is of course just my opinion.


As I said earlier on the thread, I heard his mother in an interview many decades ago attest to his being confirmed and his communion taken in the Catholic Church, but I can't now recall if it was Roman Catholic or Greek Catholic or Russian Orthodox? (if there is such ?) That of course doesn't mean he himself isn't Agnostic or Athiest of course. He just does not present himself as one who believes in a higher soul then himself, nor a life after this one which will judge him if it exists., or he would not behave this way imo.


The OT and the NT speaks of both Lucifer and Jesus as the Bright "Morning Star " Venus ....both are likened to the Morning Star....


I suppose Lucifer was seen as one before he "fell" (in mythology)
 

david starling

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I haven't seen anything in today's leader in Russia, namely Putin, nor his allies more recently Assad or others as believing in any kind of higher version of a god or soul then themselves. That is of course just my opinion.


As I said earlier on the thread, I heard his mother in an interview many decades ago attest to his being confirmed and his communion taken in the Catholic Church, but I can't now recall if it was Roman Catholic or Greek Catholic or Russian Orthodox? (if there is such ?) That of course doesn't mean he himself isn't Agnostic or Athiest of course. He just does not present himself as one who believes in a higher soul then himself, nor a life after this one which will judge him if it exists., or he would not behave this way imo.


The OT and the NT speaks of both Lucifer and Jesus as the Bright "Morning Star " Venus ....both are likened to the Morning Star....


I suppose Lucifer was seen as one before he "fell" (in mythology)


Immanuel Velikovsky's 1950 book "Worlds In Collision" is a great read, in which he explains his own theory concerning the "fall" of the planet now known as Venus. You don't have to agree with him to enjoy it.
 

ElenaJ

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"Lucifer, for example, is much more complex than just the "devil".
"It’s not negative but could come across as negative in the perception of others at first sight, as you’re doing things differently, your way. However, simultaneously you may feel a bit anxious as you fear to be viewed as evil for choosing a new and different approach for questioning the leaders and authority figures."


The head of the Russian Federation acts to protect his citizens from potential attack by NATO on its borders.

"...could come across as negative in the perception of others at first sight,"

Asteroid Ceres in Putin's chart is at 17 Gemini, exactly trine his Saturn, and his libra stellium.
 

leomoon

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Immanuel Velikovsky's 1950 book "Worlds In Collision" is a great read, in which he explains his own theory concerning the "fall" of the planet now known as Venus. You don't have to agree with him to enjoy it.


Very interesting David. One that I haven't read, from always wanted to put it on my "must read list"....Now there are too many there and time is getting late. (and I'm getting long in the tooth as they say) :biggrin:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worlds_in_Collision





Here is what I found out about Satan and Lucifer in particular and in regards to Venus in the OT & NT:



"Many people think that ‘lucifer’ is a name. Many people think that ‘Lucifer’ is the devil’s name. Many people are incorrect. Lucifer isn’t really a name, and definitely not a name for the devil. ‘Lucifer’ isn’t even a word originally from the Bible. So how did this understand become so popular?"

Where Does ‘Lucifer’ Come From?

The word ‘lucifer’ is a Latin word, meaning “light-bearer,” translated from the Hebrew word ‘hê·lēl’ (הֵילֵ֣ל) which means “shining one.” The Hebrew term is used in only one place in the Bible, as a poetic reference to the King of Babylon (Isaiah 14:12).1 ‘Hê·lēl’ has nothing to do with a Satan. It is noteworthy that while the King James Version translates ‘hê·lēl’ to the Latin word ‘lucifer,’ most other English Bible translations do not (Isaiah 14:12 KJV). The most common English translation of ‘hê·lēl’ is “morning star.”
How you have fallen from heaven, morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!
Isaiah 14:12
Biblical scholarship, as well as just a plain reading of Isaiah 14, understand the “morning star” to be a reference to the King of Babylon (Isaiah 14:3-4).2 Isaiah 14:12-15 speaks of how the king of Babylon says in his heart, “I will ascend to the heavens; I will raise my throne above the stars of God… I will make myself like the Most High.” The text isn’t saying that the king did these things, merely that he wanted to. The Babylonian kings often considered themselves to be gods among men (Daniel 4:30). The prophet Isaiah is using well-worn mythological language to highlight the king’s arrogance and pride. Isaiah uses the term “morning star” as a reference to their hubris, to constitute an appropriate critique of Babylonian kings and conquerors, and to explain their inevitable downfall (Isaiah 14:15).
While the word ‘hê·lēl’ only appears once in the Hebrew Bible, the word has cognates in Akkadian, Ugaritic, and Arabic. The Septuagint (Greek translation), Targum (Aramaic translation), and the Vulgate (Latin translation) all translate ‘hê·lēl’ as “morning star.3 The Hebrew expression was never meant to be a name.4 Even the Vulgate text in Latin is printed with lower-case ‘lucifer’ (morning star), not upper-case ‘Lucifer’ (proper name).5
In summary, the Hebrew word ‘hê·lēl’ means “shining one” and was translated into Latin as ‘lucifer’ which means “light-bearer.” Both of these words didn’t reference Satan, but instead the planet Venus, otherwise known as the “morning star.” Tradition is the only reason the Latin word ‘lucifer’ still remains in some English translations.
Morning Star = Jesus

The Hebrew word ‘hê·lēl’ is translated as ‘lucifer’ in Latin and ‘phōsphóros’ (light-bringer) or ‘heōsphoros’ (dawn-bringer) in Greek, as can be seen in the Septuagint.6 ‘Lucifer’ was the Latin name for the planet Venus, the brightest “star” in the dawn of the morning. Likewise, the same is true of the Greek words, ‘phōsphóros’ or ‘heōsphoros,’ the names and terms for the planet Venus, meaning “morning star,” or “day star.”7 The morning star was a symbol of power and royalty in Greco-Roman times. The word ‘phōsphóros’ only appears once in the New Testament, surprisingly, in reference to Jesus.
We also have the prophetic message as something completely reliable, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star [phōsphóros] rises in your hearts.
2 Peter 1:19
While ‘phōsphóros’ only appears once, the word for ‘star’ is used many times as an epithet for the Messiah (Numbers 24:17, Isaiah 9:2).8 In Revelation, two times Jesus is referred to as the “morning star” (Revelation 2:28).
I, Jesus, have sent my angel to testify to you about these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star.
Revelation 22:16
 
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david starling

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"Lucifer, for example, is much more complex than just the "devil".
"It’s not negative but could come across as negative in the perception of others at first sight, as you’re doing things differently, your way. However, simultaneously you may feel a bit anxious as you fear to be viewed as evil for choosing a new and different approach for questioning the leaders and authority figures."


The head of the Russian Federation acts to protect his citizens from potential attack by NATO on its borders.

"...could come across as negative in the perception of others at first sight,"

Asteroid Ceres in Putin's chart is at 17 Gemini, exactly trine his Saturn, and his libra stellium.


You're taking a very Libran approach, Elena, weighing the evidence on both sides!

How about a balanced opinion regarding the thread question:

Putin's a blood-drenched White hat!
 
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