personally, i've always thought of the sun and moon as the same planet
the sun is just the masculine version, and the moon is the feminine version
all of the other traditional planets have masculine and feminine versions of themselves
Joys - Mercury in 1, Moon in 3, Venus in 5, Mars in 6, Sun in 9, Jupiter in 11, Saturn in 12.
This thread is on our traditional boardThanks Oddity. I was hoping you'd provide the information.
Being so anchored in the Modern numbering pattern, Aries through to Pisces, 1 through 12, and connecting (NOT equating) the Sign numbers with the House numbers, it's impossible for me to discern a pattern regarding the "Joys" as listed.
Also, "Joys" is usually left out of Modern entirely. But, Saturn's enjoyment of bumming out the 12th House makes perfect sense!
This thread is on our traditional board
Modern is not part of discussion
the two boards are mutually exclusive
a moderator may have moved it from ModernModern is derived from Traditional, and it's instructive to see what was kept (like, 12 equal Signs as named, Cardinal, Fixed, Mutable, the 4 Elements, in order, Squares, Trines, Conjunctions, etc.), and what was not kept.
In contrast, Traditional obviously didn't get any input from Modern, so this discussion has no place in the Trad Forum.
I'll ask a moderator to move it, since I somehow inadvertently put it in Trad.
a moderator may have moved it from Modern
which makes sense
the thread title long predates Modern Astrology board
Thanks for explaining - since the thread titleApparently, a moderator did, but the OP informed us
that he meant it to be specifically about modern astrology.
I've moved it to Modern at his request.
Thanks for explaining - since the thread title
specifically asks a question regarding Ancient astrology
which clearly is not Modern
so then obviously
comment regarding Ancient astrology is invited
Ancient astrology is older than 1800's
and the rules of Modern board clearly instruct us
"....Modern Astrology For discussions on Modern Astrology only
. (Note: Typically, modern astrology is defined
as using techniques developed around the late 1800s by Theosophists...")
InterestingIt's about the possible pre-Ptolemaic reasons
for the Sign rulerships now fully accepted in Modernistic astrology,
including using input from Heliocentrism,
which was definitely known in ancient times.
long predate the 1800's
the start date of Modern astrology stated on rules of this board
Ptolemy died two thousand years ago
pre-Ptolemaic is long before the 1800's