Pluto Conjunct Moon in Horaries

SagiCap

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What does :pluto: conjunct :moon: in a relationship - and/or any horary mean? Would you say the Quesitor is going through a transitional or transformative period? Thanks so much. :joyful:
 
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starlink

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Yes SagiCap, indeed. As you know we dont use Pluto in traditional horary, however, the moderns use Pluto, NOT as house rulers, but as indicaters of sudden upheavel, strong emotional turmoil, transformation. So if you see that the Moon is moving towards Pluto, you could expect some of that. If it moves away from an aspect with Pluto, it could show that the turmoil lies in the past. The degrees show more or less how long ago or when looking foreward, how long it will take for it to happen.

Pluto, Uranus and Neptune very close to Angles can show the same, but then related to the houses 1, 4, 7 and 10.
 

starlink

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Learning everytime something from you Olivia :). I do connect those planets with situations which we desire less in our lives, so yes, that sounds plausible.

Now if the Moon person meets negative Pluto, then that could imply that they will express their emotions (mainly) in a negative way? or that they will experience something/someone which is just really unpleasant, and therefore something in their psyche will "transform" in a negative way (like maybe becoming self destructive, aggressive)? How would you interprete this?
 

SagiCap

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Thanks for the replies - though I am a little scared. I recently asked "Will the work I'm doing with X, lead to a better job in my company?" I got Moon conjunct Pluto in the 6th House.

If you are saying Pluto is always negative, what about transformational positive experiences?
 

SagiCap

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This is what this site says for natal aspects, is it only negative for horary?
<H2 style="COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 15px">Pluto conjunct Moon - astrological aspect
Astrology aspects - Pluto conjunct MoonYou are likely to experience strong emotions and feelings, whose intensity may dominate choices and decisions, almost as if you lose control over any free will. As your emotional roots are located in the unconscious mind, you may believe there is a compulsive or obsessive fate shaping your life.

Relationships are where you encounter potential transformation and meet your destiny, influencing your life direction. You may try to dominate others emotionally, influencing them and events in your favour, perhaps by exploiting others' feelings for you. There can be periodic crises whenever any repressed emotional energy rises into consciousness, demanding immediate release. This energy explosion can seem like an erupting volcano, causing sudden family friction and confrontation with partners and children, even surprising decisions and dramatic major life changes which apparently occur spontaneously. For you, emotional release is crucial and unavoidable, even if it demands letting go of an established life-style and burning bridges to the past.

You can be quite moody, reflecting the changing lunar tides. This affects intimate relationships, where you seek emotional intensity. You have high ideals for a perfect partner, and would prefer to remain alone rather than become involved with others who do not match this ideal. You hope to find your perfect mate, and believe this is your destiny. You look for a physical embodiment of your inner partner image (the anima or animus figure) which you project onto real people as a means of comparison.

In love, you will be committed to relationships, almost consumed by emotional fire by the strength of your feelings. This may be like an obsessing state for some time, perhaps often difficult to handle, and a total preoccupation for you during a relationship's early stages. You will be possessive and demanding of your partner, possibly too critical once you realize that he or she is not the ideal partner that you believed him or her to be. You will hate rejection, especially if your emotions are still attached to an ex-lovver, as the passion turns back on you for want of a recipient, and this 'burns'.

There can sometimes be a thin line between love and hate; and you may understand something of emotional masochism and sadism. Your relationships can often be emotionally destructive, perhaps for all concerned. Passions are intense, and people lose themsekves in emotional fires, being changed either positively or negatively in the process, but certainly emerging as different people from the ones they were before the relationship. Regularly evaluate your relationships, ensuring that mutual benefit occurs, and that this is an uplifting energy and not one that enslaves in the name of love.

You can be impatient and domineering. Close friends are likely to be few, including only those who can accept intensity and depth rather than preoccupation with triviality, especially as your emotions are consistently powerful and active. In family life, try to avoid imposing your will on partner and children, and you may need to learn to bend and compromise for family harmony.

If you can allow emotional energies to be expressed properly, and develop relationships and suitable constructive channels for this energy, then most of your difficulties can be resolved. Any emotional repression will create problems, often leading to eventual crises, and should be avoided if possible. Also, you need to realize that your partner has to be a real person, not an idealized archetypal projection by your unconscious. Emotional maturity and understanding are to be discovered, provided that you pass through the emotional self-transformation that Pluto serves to initiate.
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tanamarios

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Thanks for the replies - though I am a little scared. I recently asked "Will the work I'm doing with X, lead to a better job in my company?" I got Moon conjunct Pluto in the 6th House.

If you are saying Pluto is always negative, what about transformational positive experiences?

It's very important that you post your natal chart , because in that way we know exactly which houses these planets affects..
 

SagiCap

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All of the above is about a horary so this is why I posted in Horary Technique. My quote on natal (above) accompanied the question "This is what this site says for natal aspects, is it only negative for horary?" and the initial question was about a work horary that had my Moon conjunct Pluto. Were you both suggesting to post my natal for better or different insight? I may, but I am mostly currently interested in this aspect as a horary for now.

I did find a quote on Skyscript about Pluto in horary written by Deb Houlding.
Pluto does not mean the same as Scorpio, nor does it signify the same things that the 8th house represents. However, some astrologers use it that way and therefore give Pluto a very negative slant even though the planet itself is pure energy which can be good or bad; its influence must be assessed purely by its association with the factors in the relevant chart.
But this does offer a different slant on what I've always read, which is aligned with what Olivia is saying - that Pluto, Neptune and Uranus are treated more as malefics.

In any case, I'm a little worried about this aspect showing up in my work horary for the first time for me - hence why I'm asking.
 
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starlink

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Sagicap,


from Deb Holding
even though the planet itself is pure energy which can be good or bad; its influence must be assessed purely by its association with the factors in the relevant chart.

This is exactly what Olivia also meant. Now that Pluto is in Capricorn, in the Moons detriment and in Horary, the Moon mostly (unless ruling house 7) is the co-significator of the querent, so this association looks unfortunate for the querent.
 

starlink

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Oh, Sagi, not to be difficult here, that quote you posted, the long one, is over 100 words and you did also not mention the source, so in the light of the recent problems we had with copyright, maybe you could take part away. Just helping!:)

Also, that quote is referring to natal astrology, not horary.

back to the horary technique:
but I am mostly currently interested in this aspect as a horary for now.
First of all, traditional horary does not use Pluto, like we mentioned, so if you wish, just dont even look at it. William Lilly most certainly did not:)!

But if you insist and want to look at it the modern way, then use it like I mentioned and take in account what Olivia said about the Moon's detriment. It would definitively show something unpleasant (maybe you will get a very dominant boss) at work.
 

SagiCap

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you did also not mention the source

Yup, I did mention the source - "this site says" This site - astrologyweekly.... I always post sources. I've worked in publishing and media most of my life. :)

But anyway, not to worry, I will find out the info about my specific pluto/conj/moon aspect in my work horary another way. Thank you for the opinions and replies.
 
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starlink

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Ah, I did not get that. I thought: which site is "this" site? Good, then that site should be reviewed I guess..., not by you, but by one of the mods. Maybe it was from before 2008 and then things were not so strict in this forum yet. What was the name of the thread? do you remember?
 

whammy:kiss

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Sagicap; the info you included about pluto conjunct moon struck me dead on--I have my moon and pluto in scorpio and I have pluto conjunct moon in my chart...my emotions are VERY hard to manage. It's as if something is constantly brewing under the surface, and waiting to emerge in the worst way when it finally comes out. Does anyone else have this aspect, or moon and pluto in scorpio and know what I mean?
 

starlink

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I have a Moon in Scorpio in the 12th house square Pluto. But Pluto in the 9th. I philosophize deeply and want to know exactly why things happen, where it all comes from and yes, I am very emotional. Could hide it very well when I was young, now that I am old, I just let the tears flow, especially when looking at a sad movie LOL:)
Only once every 15 years, I can come to a point of great explosiveness when angered. Taurus Sun is keeping me in place!
 

JayM

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I wish I had some of what you all have.... cap sun taurus moon, but saturn opposes moon and squares venus with an aqua AC.... need to show emotions more
 
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