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Hi all,
Thankyou for the compliment. I did ask your permission about posting the reply on the forum because I respect everyone’s privacy, and would not want to offend yourself or anybody else. I will only give general guides on the forum for; 1) respecting the privacy of everyone and; 2) by showing a method everyone can learn to investigate it for themselves which is much more fun, and a great in-depth voyage of discovery.
I did start off with all the traditional meanings and rulership’s that are used today but I just got so fed up with the results being so hit n miss this caused me to abandon astrology for what turned out to be about a year. With a renewed thirst I decided to trace back all the systems to their original discoverer or to the first known records. During this time I noticed many mistakes or misunderstandings have been passed on without question in many of the systems we use today. It was then a matter (not simple by any means) of sorting the wheat from the chaff, so to speak. It was absolutely ‘not’ a sorting out on the premise of ‘it works for me’ because the sort of astrology I want to practice is ‘what works for everyone’ regardless of ones place of birth, as long as it was planet earth it should stand up to working for all.
With renewed vigour I went to work reading and cross referencing any ancient astrological literature I could get my hands on. While I was doing this many great astrological authors were doing similar things and publishing their work. Then along came Project Hindsight who started out by translating one or two classics into English. There was quite an interest from the serious astrological community so they became quite popular and decided to translate as much ancient astrological literature as they could via subscription help. With people like Robert Hand, Robert Schmidt, Robert Zoller and a host of other top quality astrologers on their team they were able to translate Greek, Latin and Arabic works while cross referencing with each other which subsequently led to some amazing discoveries.
The system I was using with the LoF etc above is called the System of Hermes; this was part of an ancient and complex system that just did not get handed down. Bob Schmidt and the team at PH have reconstructed this system as a result of about 15 years translating. It is very detailed, very deep and very informative; I do expect to be fully fluent with it in about one to three years of study at the rate of over 40 hours per week.
How do the outer planets like Uranus, Neptune and Pluto factor in to the PoF?
Within the framework of Hellenistic astrology there is no room for the outer planets where rulership and exaltation are concerned. The whole system was designed around the framework of the ‘visible’ planets, with Saturn marking the boundary. The modern concept of rulership is massively flawed but it would take far too long to even scratch the surface of it here. Deb Houlding has been making a few noises about highlighting why the modern rulership’s cannot possibly work for a possible forthcoming book. As much of her practice has a grounding in classical/medieval techniques I would probably be in agreement with most of what she might copy/paste as a rulership investigation.
I personally do use the outer planets in natal work, but only if they are strongly emphasised in a nativity. In Zollers ‘a lost key’ he uses the outer planets for delineation and rulership, though he did decline to answer why in an email I sent him some time ago. Like I said above, since the writing of that book some thirty odd years ago he may not delineate them anymore the way he did in the book.
I hope to collect my pm’s later today Yoi, it may take me a few days to catch up with my daily work before I can answer them.
Good wishes
Bob
Thankyou for the compliment. I did ask your permission about posting the reply on the forum because I respect everyone’s privacy, and would not want to offend yourself or anybody else. I will only give general guides on the forum for; 1) respecting the privacy of everyone and; 2) by showing a method everyone can learn to investigate it for themselves which is much more fun, and a great in-depth voyage of discovery.
I did start off with all the traditional meanings and rulership’s that are used today but I just got so fed up with the results being so hit n miss this caused me to abandon astrology for what turned out to be about a year. With a renewed thirst I decided to trace back all the systems to their original discoverer or to the first known records. During this time I noticed many mistakes or misunderstandings have been passed on without question in many of the systems we use today. It was then a matter (not simple by any means) of sorting the wheat from the chaff, so to speak. It was absolutely ‘not’ a sorting out on the premise of ‘it works for me’ because the sort of astrology I want to practice is ‘what works for everyone’ regardless of ones place of birth, as long as it was planet earth it should stand up to working for all.
With renewed vigour I went to work reading and cross referencing any ancient astrological literature I could get my hands on. While I was doing this many great astrological authors were doing similar things and publishing their work. Then along came Project Hindsight who started out by translating one or two classics into English. There was quite an interest from the serious astrological community so they became quite popular and decided to translate as much ancient astrological literature as they could via subscription help. With people like Robert Hand, Robert Schmidt, Robert Zoller and a host of other top quality astrologers on their team they were able to translate Greek, Latin and Arabic works while cross referencing with each other which subsequently led to some amazing discoveries.
The system I was using with the LoF etc above is called the System of Hermes; this was part of an ancient and complex system that just did not get handed down. Bob Schmidt and the team at PH have reconstructed this system as a result of about 15 years translating. It is very detailed, very deep and very informative; I do expect to be fully fluent with it in about one to three years of study at the rate of over 40 hours per week.
How do the outer planets like Uranus, Neptune and Pluto factor in to the PoF?
Within the framework of Hellenistic astrology there is no room for the outer planets where rulership and exaltation are concerned. The whole system was designed around the framework of the ‘visible’ planets, with Saturn marking the boundary. The modern concept of rulership is massively flawed but it would take far too long to even scratch the surface of it here. Deb Houlding has been making a few noises about highlighting why the modern rulership’s cannot possibly work for a possible forthcoming book. As much of her practice has a grounding in classical/medieval techniques I would probably be in agreement with most of what she might copy/paste as a rulership investigation.
I personally do use the outer planets in natal work, but only if they are strongly emphasised in a nativity. In Zollers ‘a lost key’ he uses the outer planets for delineation and rulership, though he did decline to answer why in an email I sent him some time ago. Like I said above, since the writing of that book some thirty odd years ago he may not delineate them anymore the way he did in the book.
I hope to collect my pm’s later today Yoi, it may take me a few days to catch up with my daily work before I can answer them.
Good wishes
Bob
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