Paris and Conspiracy Theories

katydid

Staff member
Charlie Hebdo shooting.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEvlKKm6og&bpctr


No muzzle blast/flame/smoke puff.

No recoil. The AK-47 kicks quite hard when fired.

Angle of muzzle not in line with the ''ricochet'' on the ground.

The ''ricochet'' and gunshot sound are Hollywood-style simulations.

He never fired anything.



'' Paris Suicide Bombers and the Magic Passports. ''

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternativ...-passports-oops-the-did-it-again-3243148.html

So that was all Hollywood style fake stuff? So what happened to the people who were pretending to die? Are they in hiding somewhere? They just took off and left their families and friends forever for a ruse?
 

katydid

Staff member
Typical tactic of bank or goldsmith shop robbers in Malaysia - drop some guy's
(whom they had robbed off earlier) identity card at the scene.

Except there are records of the terrorist actually using that passport to travel through the Greek Islands to enter Europe. So it was the one he was using. It was not stolen from anyone else.

His parents even told other people that he was in Syria and had turned into an extremist. So did the CIA get the parents to go around asking for help for their son too? :sideways:
 

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
So that was all Hollywood style fake stuff?
So what happened to the people who were pretending to die?
Are they in hiding somewhere?
They just took off and left their families and friends forever for a ruse?
Similar questions are being asked :smile:
regarding 9/11 people on the planes
as well as MH370 victims
 

katydid

Staff member
Similar questions are being asked :smile:
regarding 9/11 people on the planes
as well as MH370 victims

Well, that is just stupid. My friend lost her husband on the Boston/LA flight. I assure you, he is DEAD. He is not hiding out somewhere. He never even met his baby because she was not born until after he died.

There are clear videos of the terrorists boarding the planes. There are many audio tapes of the final calls from the planes to loved ones. There are calls to the dispatchers from the stewards. Do people really believe that all of them are fake? LOL smh
 

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
Well, that is just stupid.
Maybe. Maybe not :smile:

you are entitled to your opinion

which is not necessarily universally shared by all


My friend lost her husband on the Boston/LA flight.
I assure you, he is DEAD. He is not hiding out somewhere.
He never even met his baby because she was not born until after he died.

There are clear videos of the terrorists boarding the planes.
There are many audio tapes of the final calls from the planes to loved ones.
There are calls to the dispatchers from the stewards.
Do people really believe that all of them are fake? LOL smh

ENGINEERS AND ARCHITECTS OF 911 TRUTH http://www.ae911truth.org/

911 EXPERTS SPEAK OUT
http://911expertsspeakout.org/

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rahu

Banned
Maybe. Maybe not :smile:

you are entitled to your opinion

which is not necessarily universally shared by all



ENGINEERS AND ARCHITECTS OF 911 TRUTH http://www.ae911truth.org/

911 EXPERTS SPEAK OUT http://911expertsspeakout.org/

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the twin towers collapse is simply scientifically impossible .anyone whoever believes that "plane" brought down a tower is an idiot or a troll for the New World Order.
point of fact. a jet plane runs on a high grade kerosene which burns at temperature far below that needed to melt steel. that jet carried 3000 gallons of fuel, of which 90% burn up on impact.
so how could the remaining 300 gallons, burn through 78 steel girders all encased in concrete and 2 hour fire insulation, how could it spread over the floor area so precisely that all 78 steel girders collapsed at the same nano second.
it is insane beyond belief to accept this story.
no government scientist has come forth with any scientific idea as to how 300 of kerosene could have accomplished all this.

rahu
 

katydid

Staff member
If one lived in New York City and watched the people flinging themselves from the towers to avoid being burned to death, then maybe one would not be so glib about saying it was 'not real.' It is baffling that someone could believe it was a hoax. Those people were burned to death. Their remains were found among the ashes. How was that faked? Were the last phone calls between the trapped victims and their loved ones fake too?
 

katydid

Staff member
the twin towers collapse is simply scientifically impossible .anyone whoever believes that "plane" brought down a tower is an idiot or a troll for the New World Order.
point of fact. a jet plane runs on a high grade kerosene which burns at temperature far below that needed to melt steel. that jet carried 3000 gallons of fuel, of which 90% burn up on impact.
so how could the remaining 300 gallons, burn through 78 steel girders all encased in concrete and 2 hour fire insulation, how could it spread over the floor area so precisely that all 78 steel girders collapsed at the same nano second.
it is insane beyond belief to accept this story.
no government scientist has come forth with any scientific idea as to how 300 of kerosene could have accomplished all this.

rahu


Many experts disagree with the above comments.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6987965.stm

9/11 demolition theory challenged

An analysis of the World Trade Center collapse has challenged a conspiracy theory surrounding the 9/11 attacks.
The study by a Cambridge University engineer demonstrates that once the collapse of the twin towers began, it was destined to be rapid and total.

"Walter P. Murphy Professor of

Civil Engineering and Materials Science

Northwestern University

The towers of the World Trade Center were designed to withstand as a whole the horizontal impact of a large commercial aircraft. So why did a total collapse occur? The reason is the dynamic consequence of the prolonged heating of the steel columns to very high temperature. The heating caused creep buckling of the columns of the framed tube along the perimeter of the structure, which transmits the vertical load to the ground. The likely scenario of failure may be explained as follows...

http://www-math.mit.edu/~bazant/WTC/WTC-asce.pdf

http://www-math.mit.edu/~bazant/WTC/

The paper... http://www-math.mit.edu/~bazant/WTC/WTC-asce.pdf

http://www.pubs.asce.org/journals/edem.html

Editor:

Ross B. Corotis, Ph.D., P.E., S.E., NAE, University of Colorado, Boulder
corotis@colorado.edu

http://ceae.colorado.edu/new/faculty/people/people.cgi?corotis

Editorial Board:

Younane Abousleiman, Ph.D., University of Oklahoma http://mpge.ou.edu/faculty_staff/faculty.html

Ching S. Chang, Ph.D., P.E., University of Massachusetts http://www.ecs.umass.edu/cee/faculty/chang.html
 

Dubyadude1986

Well-known member
Jupiter,

You do challenge my thinking and I do appreciate that. Sometimes I can see the other side of the coin on where you are coming from and even though I almost never agree with you, you are a real good sport and still very pleasent to chat with.

It's a fallen world though and really bad things do happen. These things aren't hoaxes, we really just do live in a very volatile time. No one is trying to fool anybody (other than us trying to fool ourselves), the world really has come to this.

9/11 wasn't an inside job can be said as fact. To suggest anything else would be paranoid hyperbole purposed in order to antagonize people.

Objectivity says it would be too soon either way to suggest that you could be right or wrong about Paris, but I still think you are wrong and time will tell.

People that suggest that 9/11 was an inside job are taking a handful of true pieces of data that while may be accurate individually on their own, become completely irrelevant when compounded simultaneously in addition to a series of millions of variables that are not at all considered as they all were happening at the same time.
 
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craft94

Well-known member
If one lived in New York City and watched the people flinging themselves from the towers to avoid being burned to death, then maybe one would not be so glib about saying it was 'not real.' It is baffling that someone could believe it was a hoax. Those people were burned to death. Their remains were found among the ashes. How was that faked? Were the last phone calls between the trapped victims and their loved ones fake too?

I understand thinking it's an inside job. I do not think that makes you a paranoid weirdo as the comment below you suggests. But to suggest it never happened at all is going more than a bit too far in my opinion. Unless you have absolute irrefutable proof, then, it's just insensitive to the victims and the families of the victims and it's not something you should throw around lightly. It was a horrible situation no matter who was behind it.
 

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
Jupiter,

You do challenge my thinking and I do appreciate that.
Sometimes I can see the other side of the coin on where you are coming from
and even though I almost never agree with you, you are a real good sport and still very pleasent to chat with
.
Thanks. Discussion of evidence is necessary :smile:

It's a fallen world though and really bad things do happen.

These things aren't hoaxes, we really just do live in a very volatile time.
No one is trying to fool anybody (other than us trying to fool ourselves), the world really has come to this.

9/11 wasn't an inside job can be said as fact.
To suggest anything else would be paranoid hyperbole purposed in order to antagonize people.
It is interesting nevertheless to compare other skyscraper fires and realise that:
Fires Have Never Caused Skyscrapers to Collapse

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[SIZE=-1] The One Meridian Plaza fire
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Excepting the three 9-11 collapses
no fire, however severe, has ever caused a steel-framed high-rise building to collapse.

Following are examples of high-rise fires that were far more severe than those in WTC 1 and 2, and Building 7.
In these precedents, the fires consumed multiple floors
produced extensive window breakage
exhibited large areas of emergent flames
and went on for several hours.

The fires in the WTC towers did none of these things
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/compare/fires.html



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WHO PROFITS 9/11 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIcYKDvuX-A

Mr. Larry Silverstein signed a 99-year-lease to control the Twin Towers

six weeks before they were destroyed


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Objectivity says it would be too soon either way to suggest that you could be right or wrong about Paris,
but I still think you are wrong and time will tell.


People that suggest that 9/11 was an inside job are taking a handful of true pieces of data that while may be accurate individually on their own,
become completely irrelevant when compounded simultaneously in addition to a series of millions of variables that are not at all considered as they all were happening at the same time
.
Objectivity says
Maybe
Maybe not :smile:

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katydid

Staff member
Is there any 'proof' of these accusations against Lucky Larry?

I have never heard of anyone taking out a life insurance policy for 3.5 billion. I think that is impossible. I need some kind of evidence before I would ever believe that.

And how am I to believe that he twice tried to cash it in? He is alive so how could he try to collect? That article makes no sense. Is this another 'credible' source like 'Beforeitsnews'? These bloggers write whatever they feel like writing with no verification or credible evidence. It looks very much like an Anti-Semitic hit job to me. :unsure:
 

katydid

Staff member
"Following are examples of high-rise fires that were far more severe than those in WTC 1 and 2, and Building 7.
In these precedents, the fires consumed multiple floors
produced extensive window breakage
exhibited large areas of emergent flames
and went on for several hours. "


The examples they used were buildings that were 33 stories or 55 stories. The WTC was over twice as tall.[ 110 stories each]

Also, none of the examples had been hit by fast moving fully loaded planes. That destabilizes the buildings more than just the fires.
 

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
Is there any 'proof' of these accusations against Lucky Larry?

I have never heard of anyone taking out a life insurance policy for 3.5 billion. I think that is impossible. I need some kind of evidence before I would ever believe that.

And how am I to believe that he twice tried to cash it in? He is alive so how could he try to collect?
That article makes no sense.
Is this another 'credible' source like 'Beforeitsnews'?
These bloggers write whatever they feel like writing with no verification or credible evidence.
It looks very much like an Anti-Semitic hit job to me. :unsure:
Here's Lucky Larry Silverstein
interviewed
and speaking on the record
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rBpILbCDt0 :smile:
 

rahu

Banned
"Following are examples of high-rise fires that were far more severe than those in WTC 1 and 2, and Building 7.
In these precedents, the fires consumed multiple floors
produced extensive window breakage
exhibited large areas of emergent flames
and went on for several hours. "


The examples they used were buildings that were 33 stories or 55 stories. The WTC was over twice as tall.[ 110 stories each]

Also, none of the examples had been hit by fast moving fully loaded planes. That destabilizes the buildings more than just the fires.

Also, none of the examples had been hit by fast moving fully loaded planes. That destabilizes the buildings more than just the fires.

a totally specious argument as high rises are designed to take hits from jet airliners.

rahu
 

rahu

Banned
http://humansarefree.com/2015/11/witness-describes-paris-attackers-they.html#more
Witness Describes Paris Attackers: 'They Looked Like Soldiers Carrying Out a Military Operation' — No Masks, White, Clean-Shaven, Muscular, Calm, Haven't Shouted Anything

Please notice that the attackers are portrayed as wearing ISIS/ISIL uniforms and have their heads and faces covered by balaclavas, which is a not consistent with the following eye witness

At about 9.30pm a new looking black Mercedes pulled up outside with dark tinted windows at the back and the passenger and driver windows down. I could clearly see the passenger's face as he was not ­wearing a hat or mask

"The gunman calmly reloaded his weapon several times. He then shot up at the windows in the street to make sure nobody was filming anything or taking photographs. It lasted over six minutes.

"He fired lots of bullets. He was white, clean shaven and had dark hair neatly trimmed. He was dressed all in black accept for a red scarf.

"The shooter was aged about 35 and had an extremely muscular build, which you could tell from the size of his arms. He looked like a weightlifter.


Comment: These people don't sound or act like the average jihadists we've seen in ISIL propaganda videos. Why such different behavior?

Alexander: Why don't we have Police sketches of the two shooters? Why aren't they broadcasted on TV? Is it because the attackers are MOSSAD/ CIA SpecOps?


"They looked like soldiers or mercenaries and carried the whole thing out like a military operation.


Alexander: Why isn't this statement broadcasted on TV? Why is the MSM silent about the "muscular" shooters resembling soldiers?

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Comment: ISIS/ISIL has also cultivated a particular image through its propaganda videos, yet eye witnesses describe the antithesis of that image. No masks, no headbands with slogan printed on them, no flags. Instead, it's white men, clean-shaven with professional military demeanor. Very strange.
 
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