# Orbs? Help me understand Please

#### Daplaya226

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Ok, so i've been looking at my chart as well as others and I keep on seeing things about orbs. I think I have the basic concept down but I'm not quite sure. Is the orb the distance from two points being in the exact degree. So for instance, if Venus is in 19 degrees Aries and Saturn is in 11 degrees Leo, then that would be a trine with an orb of 8??? I'm not sure how it's all calculated and please explain it to me if i am way off here.

#### dr. farr

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Yes, as used nowadays orbs mean distance until the aspect (or conjunction or Parallel of declination) is exact (anciently it meant the aura or area of influence distance-wise in longitdue, for each planet)

In contemporary usage, Traditionalists tend to use wide (large) orbs, Modernists tend to use medium or narrow orbs; then in Vedic astrology (as also in early Greco-Roman Western astrology) the "aspects" are counted by signs, not by degrees from planet to planet-however, such "platik aspects" (sign to sign) are rarely used in Western astrology (although as I said, are dominant in Vedic astrology)

#### JUPITERASC

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Ok, so i've been looking at my chart as well as others and I keep on seeing things about orbs. I think I have the basic concept down but I'm not quite sure. Is the orb the distance from two points being in the exact degree. So for instance, if Venus is in 19 degrees Aries and Saturn is in 11 degrees Leo, then that would be a trine with an orb of 8??? I'm not sure how it's all calculated and please explain it to me if i am way off here.
MAXIMUM DISTANCE AT WHICH PLANETS ARE IN ORB OF EACH OTHER
The emboldened figures use the most commonly accepted orb allowance. source

The figures in normal type indicate a wider allowance accepted by some

Sun
(17°) Moon
(12°30') Mercury
(7°) Venus
(8°) Mars
(8°) Jupiter
(12°) Saturn
(10°) Outer.
(5°) Sun
(15°)
14°45' 12° 12°30' 12°30' 14°30' 13°30' 11° Moon
(12°)
13°30'
9°45' 10°15' 10°15' 12°15' 11°15' 8°45' Mercury
(7°)
11° 9°30'
7°30' 7°30' 9°30' 8°30' 6° Venus
(7°)
11° 9°30'
8° 10° 9° 6°30' Mars
(7°)
11° 9°30
10° 9° 6°30' Jupiter
(9°)
12° 10°30'
11° 8°30' Saturn
(9°)
12° 10°30'
7°30' Outer.
(5°)
10° 8°30'

#### MJ82

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MAXIMUM DISTANCE AT WHICH PLANETS ARE IN ORB OF EACH OTHER
The emboldened figures use the most commonly accepted orb allowance. source

The figures in normal type indicate a wider allowance accepted by some

Sun
(17°) Moon
(12°30') Mercury
(7°) Venus
(8°) Mars
(8°) Jupiter
(12°) Saturn
(10°) Outer.
(5°) Sun
(15°)
14°45' 12° 12°30' 12°30' 14°30' 13°30' 11° Moon
(12°)
13°30'
9°45' 10°15' 10°15' 12°15' 11°15' 8°45' Mercury
(7°)
11° 9°30'
7°30' 7°30' 9°30' 8°30' 6° Venus
(7°)
11° 9°30'
8° 10° 9° 6°30' Mars
(7°)
11° 9°30
10° 9° 6°30' Jupiter
(9°)
12° 10°30'
11° 8°30' Saturn
(9°)
12° 10°30'
7°30' Outer.
(5°)
10° 8°30'

Wow, 17 degrees for the moon? Where did you come across that JupiterAsc?

Why is that some consider different orbs for different planets and others only for different aspects? I'm getting confused!

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#### JUPITERASC

##### Well-known member
Wow, 17 degrees for the moon? Where did you come across that JupiterAsc?

Why is that some consider different orbs for different planets and others only for different aspects? I'm getting confused!
Orbs are ancient astrological history MJ82 I gave the link for the article along with the excerpt I just posted of the table from 'Traditional Orbs For Aspectual Contact' - reading the article gives answers and insight at http://www.skyscript.co.uk/aspectorbs.html

#### miquar

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Hi. These are typical orbs used by psychological astrologers:

Conjunction, opposition, square: 8 to 10 degrees
Trine: 6 to 10 degrees
Sextile: 4 to 6 degrees
Quincunx: 2 to 5 degrees

Personally, I use the smaller orbs listed above. The wider orbed aspects can also be important but are generally not as inevitable and compelling as the wider ones.

#### dr. farr

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As I mentioned in my previous post, Modernist practitioners use narrower orbs than Traditionalist; although I am an eclectic, still I lean strongly toward narrower orbs for aspects and conjunctions: the orbs I have found most effective (in my own experience) are:
Parallel of declination: up to 2 degrees
Conjunction: 6 degrees (Sun and Moon perhaps 1 degree more)
Square, Trine: 5 degrees
Sextile: 3-4 degrees
Quincunx: 2-3 degrees

Note: in predictive work (directions, aka "progressions") orbs MUST be very close: usually 2 degrees MAXIMUM, frequently (for reliability) under 2 degrees, the closer to 1 degree the more reliable.