Hi Greybeard,On Orbs and Stuff
Morin notes (1st half of 17th century) that “...how great this orb is for the individual planets has hitherto remained uncertain among astrologers, on account of the unknown fundamental of that quantity; whence, some attribute a greater orb to a particular planet and others a lesser orb, although they do not seem to differ much in turn.”
Morin then addresses the problem of establishing the semi-diameter of planetary orbs thus: The Sun, as is recognized even today by all astronomers, has a “semi-diameter of illumination” of 18°. Astronomical Twilight begins and ends when the Sun is 18° below the horizon; total darkness occurs only then. Morin then notes the Sun’s distance below the horizon when each of the planets becomes visible (or fades from visibility.) He gives 11°30’for Mars, 11° for Saturn, 10° for Jupiter and Mercury, and 5° for Venus. He then subtracts these values from 18° and so establishes the orb for each of the planets according to the strength of its brightness (at maximum.) Therefore the semi-diameters of the orbs of influence for each of the five planets is:
Venus, 13°; Jupiter and Mercury, 8°; for Saturn 7° and Mars, 6°30’.
The Moon is given 12°. The Sun, of course, receives 18°.
(Note that the sky in the times before the Industrial Revolution was crystalline, not dirty as it is today. Also note, Kepler had only recently published the meticulous naked-eye observations of Tycho Brahe and himself; these were available to Morin.)
I would like to hear more… another thread?In some specialty applications (such as in my experiments with the 4/9 Name model in sports prediction, and in my use of the Lot of Substance in experiments with stock and futures price predictions) I use a fixed orb (of 5 degrees) for all aspects (including semi-sextile and quincunx), and for conjunctions, which (at least in these special applications) seem to work pretty well (so far)...
Greybeard no longer postsHi Greybeard,
I follow scientific astrology where they did research and to prove everything out. I use narrow orbs and unweighted. 3 degrees for longitudes and 1degree 12 minutes for declination, 18 minutes for Latitudes.
So for above no increased orbs are permitted. They found there is no statistical influence once the planets are further than 3 degrees out of orb.
In some specialty applications (such as in my experiments with the 4/9 Name model in sports prediction, and in my use of the Lot of Substance in experiments with stock and futures price predictions) I use a fixed orb (of 5 degrees) for all aspects (including semi-sextile and quincunx), and for conjunctions, which (at least in these special applications) seem to work pretty well (so far)...
dr. farr hasn't posted for awhileI would like to hear more… another thread?
I don’t follow pop western astrology.WEll, it's always safer to use narrow orbs...but it may not be accurate enough. Leaving out a square between Venus and Jupiter, for example, if it's at 8 or even 9 degree in orb ...I would think should be mentioned....and the CLIENT will let you know if you are accurate or not. Because these squares bring about behavioral action...and reaction.
Or Saturn square Mars...for the same reason....and if either one is in an angular house, you need to allow a wider orb. Especially if part of what you are asked to do is synastry...to warn the person...always err on the side of more...and not less.
BUT as I said many times....if a dynamic is PRESENT in a chart, and important, it will show up more than once.
There are Very few "hidden" clues.
I don't know what that means. Orbs are orbs....I don't think it matters what system you use if you are using planetary aspects= which is the title of this thread..."Orbs" and stuff...I don’t follow pop western astrology.
The obvious question is, how is the orb issue addressed in the system the respondent uses?I don’t follow pop western astrology.
The obvious question is, how is the orb issue addressed in the system the respondent uses?
Note: "You" statements have been ruled "attacking" by the moderation here in the past. To avoid any possible trolls (there couldn't be any trolls here, could there?) reporting my content as attacking anyone, passive voice and oblique references to members have been adopted.
I do not mean to be rude or arrogant using that kind of language.
This post is nearly a decade old but i have a chart where my 5 planet stellium and my sun/moon/asc technically conjunct, square and oppose eachother by sign but the orb is wide with some planets. But in declination aspects i have many contraparallels and parallels involving the same planets with tight orbsSo....back to this:
IS there anyone with a chart where the aspects are in question because of the orb issues?
If there is one, and the poster is familiar with the subject, we may get some useful information to work with.