Nodes and synastry

sadge

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Hello. I've been wondering where to share my thoughts on the nodes in synastry as I got to know this site. Just recently found this section and it seems like the best fit.

Does anyone have any notable experiences, either in your own life or in observation of others, with nodes in synastry?

Now this is a pretty frequently cited phenomenon in synastry, with all sorts of definitions among the different schools of thought. Within the evolutionary and karmic perspective, the common belief is that the nodes represent the soul's evolution, where one is coming from (SN - past life) and where one is headed (NN). And in synastry, some believe that contacts to the SN node represents a past life relationship, thus karma associated with it that's either resolved or unresolved.

I don't have any firm opinions on the karmic or past life definitions, just trying to learn more of what others think or have experienced.

After doing some digging, it is remarkable how common it is to see nodal contacts in synastry. In fact, it's so common that it's hard to deny the magnetism of the nodes, for better or for worse, in everyone's day to day life. And for me, when synastric contact is directly between critical points between charts, there is a notable sensation on a physical, kinesthetic level. As one who did not really pay much attention to the idea of past lives, these experiences leave a strong impression of past life recollections that are difficult for me to ignore. In synastry, most powerful one is direct conjunction between nodes and the asc axis.

I'm not here to advance a particular argument. I only want your opinion and notable experiences. Hoping we can all learn more from discussion.

Thanks, sadge.
 
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Abby83

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Hey,

In my experience pretty much everyone including myself has been strongly drawn to those who have sun sign the same as the north node sign in synastry. Like I'm magnetised to Gemini, mercury type of ppl. The best sexual compatibility I had was with my first bf who had his north node conjunct my mars. But I didn't feel enough of a pull for a future with him cos my north node wasn't touched. With north node in Gemini I also really like the appearance of a medium to slim athletic build. Like not too small or big. Small squinty eyes and small facial features.
 

waybread

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Hi, Sadge-- I mentioned to you on another thread that my husband and I have conjunct and reversed nodal axes. He's 9.5 years older than me. We've been married for 20+ years.

I'm not fond of karmic astrology, however. I think this-life explains most of what's going on in our lives.
 

Neptunian Rainbow

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A man I dated recently has his north node exactly on my ascendant. Since I have Lilith and Neptune there he got to interact with those energies as well. We have many strong aspects but I don't know how he felt for me. His Venus is conjunct my Moon (1 degree). My Pluto and Saturn conjuncts his moon. He has Sun, Saturn, Mercury in my seventh house close to my NN. His Pluto is conjunct my mars (1 degree). We have Venus Q Venus and my Pluto bQ/Q his Venus and Mars. He seemed to feel hot/cold but it seemed like he experienced strong physical sensations. I felt compatibility. I could talk to him forever and I really enjoyed being with him. To me he seems like an ideal man, marriage material.

I read that the ascendant feels it more but I don't know.

With one ex my north node was 5 degrees from his ascendant and his Sun was 3 degrees from my ascendant. I felt extremely attracted and nervous when we met, he was not as into me but with time he fell for me. I believe that his Sun in my 12th made me feel exposed, like he could see my weaknesses. We both had intense feelings and we had a great physical chemistry. He felt like an ideal man as well, but not as compatible practically speaking.

With one man I had a north-south node connection. Before I met him I dreamt that I would meet someone and that there would be some interchange between the 1st and 7th house, my nodes are in those houses. He has lived in three different cities on three different continents. I have lived in those same cities but I moved in the opposite direction if you get what I mean. Really strange coincidence... I get it if many people think that I made this story up, it is so very strange. The physical chemistry I experienced with him was extreme, no one has touched me as perfectly as he did. When we went separate ways my body had a strange fake pregnancy and I felt intense pain within.

I get seriously confused by trying to understand composite and synastry charts and googling around on the internet makes me even more confused since there are so many different opinions. Since my relationships end very quickly it's difficult for me to truly understand the effect of different aspects. My NN is in the 7th house and it is squared by Saturn. I have had many extremely intense meetings with a fated/karmic feeling but I am not good at relating.

When I analyse the synastry chart between me and a man I loved more than I have ever loved anyone I can't see the connection. I have 0 aspects to his north node and that may at least explain why he was not as into me. He kept trying to play with me for years though. My theory at the moment (I don't have his birth time) is that he has Asc conjunct Nessus and Mercury and that it is on my NN. His entire chart seems fitting for him when I use that birth time.

I would LOVE to hear other people's experiences of the dynamic between a north node-ascendant conjunction!
 

sadge

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Hi Neptune! Is this the same Neptune with whom I shared a lovely discussion on nessus, nodes, and whatever else came up? It was months ago. :smile:

I've been doing a lot of work on nodes in synastry and natals. It really is a fascinating area. I'm also tickled too see how common it is, yet just like any other planet or energy, some people are more prone to attracting certain experiences over others. Some people are just more susceptible to their nodes, while it doesn't mean that much to others (which can be discovered in natals too). I'm working on integrating what I've learned into a concise paper.....but nothing seems to happen quickly or easily around here due to my kids and this awful flu that's been keeping me down.

My favorite area of discussion on nodes is that deeply personal feeling, that physical/psychic reaction that is unique to each person. I love to hear the personal stories. some are so beautifully special between the two people who shared the experience. Astrologically, it's all routine stuff, nothing special about it. But it's the personal stories that explain the magic of life and human souls. Moreover, the timing of these events always reflect the synchronicity of our universe. Yummy stuff! :)

Sadge
 

sadge

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Hi, Sadge-- I mentioned to you on another thread that my husband and I have conjunct and reversed nodal axes. He's 9.5 years older than me. We've been married for 20+ years.

I'm not fond of karmic astrology, however. I think this-life explains most of what's going on in our lives.

Waybread.....c'mon now! I know, that you know, that I need more than general aspects to learn from this. In fact, I know there had to be more. But that connection itself is enough of a flag for one to look deeper at it. More, please?
 

sadge

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So.....did any of you feel anything remotely "karmic" or "past life"-ish about these relationships, or on your first, in-person meeting?
 

waybread

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Waybread.....c'mon now! I know, that you know, that I need more than general aspects to learn from this. In fact, I know there had to be more. But that connection itself is enough of a flag for one to look deeper at it. More, please?

Sorry, Sadge-- I don't know what "more" would be of interest.

I can speak at length about why I am not a fan of karmic astrology. To me, it just does not compute.

For anyone who would like very different views on reincarnation than the Hindu-based and negative style of karmic astrology, I recommend:

Jim Tucker, MD, Life Before Life and Return to Life. Tucker is a University of Virginia professor of child psychiatry, who specializes in interviewing young children with memories of a previous life. Then his team of researchers actually look for tangible evidence as to whether these people existed. Tucker's scientific credentials and methods are really solid. This isn't the work based on hypnosis or past-life regressions.

The Buddhist concept of karma is very different. See, for example: Karma: What It Is, What It Isn’t, Why It Matters by Traleg Kyabgon.
 

sadge

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Sorry, Sadge-- I don't know what "more" would be of interest.

I can speak at length about why I am not a fan of karmic astrology. To me, it just does not compute.

For anyone who would like very different views on reincarnation than the Hindu-based and negative style of karmic astrology, I recommend:

Jim Tucker, MD, Life Before Life and Return to Life. Tucker is a University of Virginia professor of child psychiatry, who specializes in interviewing young children with memories of a previous life. Then his team of researchers actually look for tangible evidence as to whether these people existed. Tucker's scientific credentials and methods are really solid. This isn't the work based on hypnosis or past-life regressions.

The Buddhist concept of karma is very different. See, for example: Karma: What It Is, What It Isn’t, Why It Matters by Traleg Kyabgon.


No apologies needed. I was not looking to ascertain anything "karmic." I really don't know enough about that school of thought to offer any interpretations from that perspective. But I'm open to hearing what others think, including karmic schools of thought.

My perspective (more modern/evolutionary) is that the whole framework of "past life," regardless of whether or not it is true, offers a good way for people to conceptualize the process of evolving from one level of awareness to another. Whatever works for people, I don't judge.

Regarding that special nodal connection with your hubby (and it is special), by "more info," I was wanting to see what nodal rulers were doing in each of your natals and with one another, etc., within the context of each of your individual "relationship" signatures. The nodes and aspects alone don't tell us very much, just like any other standalone aspect in synastry. This is fascinating stuff from a synastry-lover like myself. Synastry can much more sophisticated and insightful than many give it credit to be.

Thanks, S.
 
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sadge

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Sorry, Sadge-- I don't know what "more" would be of interest.

I can speak at length about why I am not a fan of karmic astrology. To me, it just does not compute.


I don't think one's individual judgment on the merits of "karma" should be an impediment to an exploratory discussion of the nodes in synastry. But its pretty natural for me to be open-minded of all different opinions. Perhaps you made that comment because I posted this question under "karmic." But given the heightened attention to the nodes in karmic schools of thought, I thought this was a good parking spot. Who knows if this was the right place....but it seems to be working for others.

Whether or not one believes in karma isn't really the point for me. That does not diminish my understanding of astrological concepts and the recognition that we must study nodal connections -- any connection -- against the framework of individual natals, progressions, etc. The "karma" part isn't anything that negates core synastric methods. (But I don't dismiss karma-talk either.....how energy dynamics are explained or "packaged" differently, by different schools of thought, really doesn't bother me.)



EVERYONE: Thank you for your contributions. It takes time to share your story or opinion, so please know that I'm grateful.

To take your analysis to the next level, I encourage everyone to look beyond the simple A's "blank" is conjunct B's node. That's similar to saying, "we have sun conjunct mercury." Well, that conjunction would tell us something, but not much, and definitely not anything that explains why (or why not) a particular relationship may be of significance for one or both people. Synastry is a much more multidimensional process than going through a list of standalone aspects. What may be a powerful connection for one person could mean nothing to the next person.

But hey, that's only if you want to dig deeper. Its fine if you just want to share your experiences with nodes and how that felt for you. I often sense a hunger from others in wanting to understand this powerful point in their charts. And often people have nodal relationships or experiences that are worthy of telling. Hopefully we can learn from each other....or at the very least, have fun sharing our stories.

Thank you.
 
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sadge

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A man I dated recently has his north node exactly on my ascendant. Since I have Lilith and Neptune there he got to interact with those energies as well. We have many strong aspects but I don't know how he felt for me. His Venus is conjunct my Moon (1 degree). My Pluto and Saturn conjuncts his moon. He has Sun, Saturn, Mercury in my seventh house close to my NN. His Pluto is conjunct my mars (1 degree). We have Venus Q Venus and my Pluto bQ/Q his Venus and Mars. He seemed to feel hot/cold but it seemed like he experienced strong physical sensations. I felt compatibility. I could talk to him forever and I really enjoyed being with him. To me he seems like an ideal man, marriage material.

I read that the ascendant feels it more but I don't know.

With one ex my north node was 5 degrees from his ascendant and his Sun was 3 degrees from my ascendant. I felt extremely attracted and nervous when we met, he was not as into me but with time he fell for me. I believe that his Sun in my 12th made me feel exposed, like he could see my weaknesses. We both had intense feelings and we had a great physical chemistry. He felt like an ideal man as well, but not as compatible practically speaking.

With one man I had a north-south node connection. Before I met him I dreamt that I would meet someone and that there would be some interchange between the 1st and 7th house, my nodes are in those houses. He has lived in three different cities on three different continents. I have lived in those same cities but I moved in the opposite direction if you get what I mean. Really strange coincidence... I get it if many people think that I made this story up, it is so very strange. The physical chemistry I experienced with him was extreme, no one has touched me as perfectly as he did. When we went separate ways my body had a strange fake pregnancy and I felt intense pain within.

I get seriously confused by trying to understand composite and synastry charts and googling around on the internet makes me even more confused since there are so many different opinions. Since my relationships end very quickly it's difficult for me to truly understand the effect of different aspects. My NN is in the 7th house and it is squared by Saturn. I have had many extremely intense meetings with a fated/karmic feeling but I am not good at relating.

When I analyse the synastry chart between me and a man I loved more than I have ever loved anyone I can't see the connection. I have 0 aspects to his north node and that may at least explain why he was not as into me. He kept trying to play with me for years though. My theory at the moment (I don't have his birth time) is that he has Asc conjunct Nessus and Mercury and that it is on my NN. His entire chart seems fitting for him when I use that birth time.

I would LOVE to hear other people's experiences of the dynamic between a north node-ascendant conjunction!


Yup. It was you who shared a similar discussion with me quite a while back.

You know, I thought of you since then and your discussion of how nessus had impacted you in relationships. I had many unanswered questions that might help clarify why that was the case for you.....it couldn't have been just nessus or the nodes. I'd love to figure this out.

I'm fascinated by the story of your NN/SN connection. Such physical reactions happen to me too, but I get them a lot. When it's a nodal thing, in an intimate connection, there's definitely a "pause" button that is clicked. Would you be willing to share anything else? Like charts?

Aside from those "fateful" nodal encounters, it's amazing to see how much of our lives are driven by nodal transits. Also, you will often find nodal connections to other things in life that you are drawn toward, such as favorite artists or public figures.

S.

P.S. there's a lot of junk and misinformation on the web, so you have to be very critical of your sources and careful. Especially with nodes, synastry, etc.
 
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sadge

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Hey,

In my experience pretty much everyone including myself has been strongly drawn to those who have sun sign the same as the north node sign in synastry. Like I'm magnetised to Gemini, mercury type of ppl. The best sexual compatibility I had was with my first bf who had his north node conjunct my mars. But I didn't feel enough of a pull for a future with him cos my north node wasn't touched. With north node in Gemini I also really like the appearance of a medium to slim athletic build. Like not too small or big. Small squinty eyes and small facial features.

Hey Abby! Thank you for sharing. Where is your mars located?
 

Abby83

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Hey Abby! Thank you for sharing. Where is your mars located?

My mars is in Virgo 11th house 6 degrees. I'm thinking about karmic situations. I must say the one year I was with that bf was the happiest year of my life. It was just so free and rebellious. I just felt it wasn't going anywhere. He was a sadge 😊 Which is the sign of my south node. It was beautiful. Needless to say I broke up with him when Saturn entered Gemini, the sign of my north node. For the first time I felt like I was delving into the unknown. I met a few geminis who were very quick encounters and I was eager to go out and socialise and discover the world. I did find a lot of things I didn't like about geminis but as years go by I become more and more like a Gemini. But hmmm yeah I see the nodes as more a polarity of the past and the future. My sadge partner was more past karma and the Gemini guy was future karma. My husband's desc is conjunct my NN so I've read that means we're destined to be with each other. But when it comes to karma in my life, I feel it mostly with the 12th house. Anything to do with the 12th house brings me situations way out of my control.
 

sadge

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How are you doing, Abby? Has your MIL backed off at all?

Hope you're able to put yourself first throughout much of the day.
 

sadge

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Hi all..... wanted to share something interesting that I discovered recently.

I was checking out the synastry of Prince Charles and Camilla. Now I didn't follow their story very closely as it evolved over the decades, so others may be able to comment on this better than me. But one data source (can't remember the site, but their charts are all over the place) showed that Camilla had several inner planets in his 12H, and both had Chiron conjunct the SN of one another.

Given how long their affair lasted, and how risky/painful it must have been under a global spotlight, and finally culminating in a very public wedding (after the tragedy of Diana), it seems apparent even without astrology that those two had binding ties. And the aspects above certainly resonate with the kind of signatures you see in what are supposedly very "karmic" or past-life heavy relationships according to some karmic astrologers.

Interesting, huh? Check out their synastry if you're interested. I only had a moment for a brief glance so you'll probably catch things that I didn't see.

:).
 

sadge

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My mars is in Virgo 11th house 6 degrees. I'm thinking about karmic situations. I must say the one year I was with that bf was the happiest year of my life. It was just so free and rebellious. I just felt it wasn't going anywhere. He was a sadge �� Which is the sign of my south node. It was beautiful. Needless to say I broke up with him when Saturn entered Gemini, the sign of my north node. For the first time I felt like I was delving into the unknown. I met a few geminis who were very quick encounters and I was eager to go out and socialise and discover the world. I did find a lot of things I didn't like about geminis but as years go by I become more and more like a Gemini. But hmmm yeah I see the nodes as more a polarity of the past and the future. My sadge partner was more past karma and the Gemini guy was future karma. My husband's desc is conjunct my NN so I've read that means we're destined to be with each other. But when it comes to karma in my life, I feel it mostly with the 12th house. Anything to do with the 12th house brings me situations way out of my control.

Re your past love who had his NN on your mars, that means he experienced the "message" of your mars (to his NN) in your 11H....that is, when it comes to YOU. The key to understanding how you impacted him would be to find out where his NN is located. For ex, did he experience your mars in his 5, 7, 8, 9, or 10? Each would have a different meaning for him that's tied to his NN path. This is where we can look further by looking at the position/aspects of his NN and related rulers in aspect to your mars.
 
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Neptunian Rainbow

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Now I remember discussing Nessus with you Sadge! You are absolutely right; those aspects only explain a little part of what happened. I have not looked at the connections between rulers in synastry, but I will definitely do it from now on.

I have experienced intense physical reactions with many men as well, but the fated/passionate connections have felt different. Sometimes I have felt love at first sight just by looking into their eyes, sometimes I have felt shaky and as if I am about to faint, sometimes I have felt like a hungry predator, sometimes there has been a deep knowing that I am supposed to be with the person, sometimes there have been signs like when I dream about someone before I meet them etc.

As you say transits really do affect what kind of partner we will attract and when. By studying the transits in my chart and the transits in a partners chart at the time we meet I am often able to see the theme of our connection.

I am in a three year period of transit Pluto conjunct my SN in the first house as well as Pluto square Saturn (the apex of my lovely Yod). Transit Saturn has been playing around with and injected love and happiness into my ASC/Neptune/Lilith as well as squared my Venus. Such perfect conditions for a chart that is already inclined towards wonderful relationships :w00t:

About the NN-SN guy, we have Pluto conjunct Mars double whammy and we have that aspect in composite as well. I also believe that his Venus conjunct my Mars influenced his capacity to know how to touch me.
Unfortunately I don’t have the birthtime of the NN-SN guy, only the birthday and town. When I try out different times I see that there could be a square or a Quintile or no aspect at all between my Saturn and his Moon. There is aspect at all between his Saturn and my Moon. Personally I prefer the sidereal method but those are the chart rulers of the nodes in our tropical charts.

I could send you different dates of birth in a private message if you want to and if you find anything interesting you can share your findings here so that others can learn as well. It would feel a little awkward to share their charts openly on this forum since I do not have their permission to do so.

Thanks for creating this thread Sadge, it is a VERY interesting subject! :joyful:

Btw, what is your take on the ASC-NN? Does the NN feel kind of hungry for the Ascendant since the ascendant has something that can help the NN move forward? I have read that the Ascendant feels it more but to me it seems that it should be the North Node that craves more for the Ascendant.
 

waybread

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Sadge, for privacy's sake I post what I call my "good enough" chart. I've modified some details, but retained the basic chart structure. I don't have a birth time for my husband. This is my best-guess, but it might be more accurate to ignore the houses.
 

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sadge

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Sadge, for privacy's sake I post what I call my "good enough" chart. I've modified some details, but retained the basic chart structure. I don't have a birth time for my husband. This is my best-guess, but it might be more accurate to ignore the houses.

Thanks, Way. I didn't mean to press for personal data if it was outside of your comfort zone (would have been thrilled with just the stats or a PM'd chart). I appreciate the generosity. For educational purposes, it will be nice to see what else binds this not-so-common reversed axis alignment between you. --- sadge
 

Kannon

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I have found the Lunar Nodes indispensable in synastry and all relational considerations. There needs to be the right kinds of compatibility aspects involving the Nodes, at least in one person's chart, to indicate a future for the relationship. Otherwise the person is delaying the inevitable.

My wife's North Node at 7CAP50 is sextile mine at 10PIS08, and is near enough my Moon 12CAP08 to serve as a bonding point to create a sense of future. It is enough to overcome challenges represented by my Uranus 5LIB32 square her N.Node. But then her N.Node is trine my Sun,Saturn at 6,11° Taurus. Sometimes a wide conjunction is understood better when looking in the declinations where you may find a parallel between the two bodies is even tighter. Sometimes a parallel along the Nodal axis is found even when the planets are nowhere near conjunct in longitude, because that's how declinations work.

Parallel and contra-parallel aspects of declination serve to only confirm the importance of Lunar Node connections between two charts. For example, my wife's (true) N.Node at 23S13 declination is parallel my IC (4th cusp) at 22S49, and my N.Node at 7S46 is widely parallel her Uranus 6S54.

I do see the Nodes in the context of reincarnation, which is how I prefer to think of it, rather just karma. Unless an astrologer has given more personal study to karma and has developed awareness from direct encounters with personal karmic matters, I don't think it is worth attempting to include the concept in interpretation, at least not verbally directly to the chart holder.

I think it is best to understand the Nodes in the context of soul development, which is not on a temporal human time schedule and does not come with 'shoulds', but is at the guidance and direction of the person in question. Over time you can definitely see patterns, whether in your own synastry connections with others, or with patterns in others' relationships. You can see a person during a difficult relational period keep dating or attracting persons with whom the nodal synastry shows will be a short-term or frustrating relationship. Often the pattern there will point back to a lesson or theme evident in the person's birth chart.
 
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