New 12 planet system & rulers

paneagle7

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To pierce, et all.

A note on Eris. even if it may be challenged. Eris may be eccentric and outer, so it remarks to social and long term. Yet in Aries, as in USA individualist culture, it relates/affects the short term 'give it me now" American construct.

[FONT=&quot]1880-1890 Eris was conjunct the century sol moon of USA in Pisces. wild west and Victorian age and peak of impressionistic art. [/FONT]
I progress the chart a day for a century (100 years). The USA sun is in 15cancer 31 at this time. That is 2 minute of degrees per year, and passed through sol signs of (60th harmonic sun) of Gemini up to Scorpio that it has recently begun. This is transformative surely. That the USA sol sun has conjuncted the venus jupiter in cancer, then was leo conjunct node (positive outgoing karma) opposite Moon in Aquarius, next to virgo, conjunct neptune, and then to libra (I believe sol mars in libra makes this very active and constructive or outgoing social context of 21st century.
Now it comes to power balancing scorpio, but is trine USA jupiter venus, so no total loss but surely transitional in terms of resources.

Eris said to enter aquarius in 1800, and pisces in 1845, aries in 1924.
It is taurus 2048. The note also shows Aries in 1920 as roaring twenties, speakeasy, and sports the babe ruth largest usa sports icon. Sports fanatic and expansive USA self-expression/sales. That fits. Discord aspect of Eris may be also libra-aries integration or conflict of individualist and connectivist cultures, china/usa primarily. We have adopted and unified some of this polarity in usa culture, and world wide, plenty of conflicts as well, Iran middle east, korea, the vietnam war, etc
 

piercethevale

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To pierce, et all.

A note on Eris. even if it may be challenged. Eris may be eccentric and outer, so it remarks to social and long term. Yet in Aries, as in USA individualist culture, it relates/affects the short term 'give it me now" American construct.

[FONT=&quot]1880-1890 Eris was conjunct the century sol moon of USA in Pisces. wild west and Victorian age and peak of impressionistic art. [/FONT]
I progress the chart a day for a century (100 years). The USA sun is in 15cancer 31 at this time. That is 2 minute of degrees per year, and passed through sol signs of (60th harmonic sun) of Gemini up to Scorpio that it has recently begun. This is transformative surely. That the USA sol sun has conjuncted the venus jupiter in cancer, then was leo conjunct node (positive outgoing karma) opposite Moon in Aquarius, next to virgo, conjunct neptune, and then to libra (I believe sol mars in libra makes this very active and constructive or outgoing social context of 21st century.
Now it comes to power balancing scorpio, but is trine USA jupiter venus, so no total loss but surely transitional in terms of resources.

Eris said to enter aquarius in 1800, and pisces in 1845, aries in 1924.
It is taurus 2048. The note also shows Aries in 1920 as roaring twenties, speakeasy, and sports the babe ruth largest usa sports icon. Sports fanatic and expansive USA self-expression/sales. That fits. Discord aspect of Eris may be also libra-aries integration or conflict of individualist and connectivist cultures, china/usa primarily. We have adopted and unified some of this polarity in usa culture, and world wide, plenty of conflicts as well, Iran middle east, korea, the vietnam war, etc

...you're only digging a deeper hole for yourself with this insistence...I retire from this thread.
 

CapAquaPis

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I have my updated version (and rechecked for accuracy) of the planets and the signs they rule (co-ruler in parenthesis). The addition of 4 new signs: Ophiuchus/Serpen(taru)s, Cetus/Eridanus, Orion & Draco/Hydra added & mentioned. True Node and the other nodes are included as well. Pluto is occupied with the lone moon of Charon may affect Aries and/or Pisces.

Sun - Leo (Orion). Moon - Cancer (Ophiuchus). Mercury - Gemini (Virgo). Venus - Taurus (Libra). Mars - Aries (Scorpio).
Ceres - Virgo (Cancer). Jupiter - Sagittarius (Pisces). Saturn - Capricorn (Aquarius). Uranus - Aquarius (Capricorn).
Neptune - Pisces (Sagittarius). Pluto sans Charon - Scorpio (Aries). Chiron - Ophiuchus (Orion). Eris - Libra (Gemini).
Sedna - "Draco"/"Hydra" (Cetus/Eridanus?). Xena - Cetus or Hydra. Lilith - Virgo (Leo). True Node - Virgo or Libra.

Fire signs are ruled by the Sun, Mars & Pluto = Aries, Leo & Sagittarius.
Earth signs by the Moon, Saturn & True Node = Taurus, Virgo & Capricorn.
Air signs ruled by Mercury, Uranus & North Node= Gemini, Libra & Aquarius.
Water signs ruled by Venus, Neptune & Sedna - Cancer, Scorpio & Pisces.
The possible "Heart" signs ruled by Jupiter, Eris and Chiron or Charon.
and the "Wood" signs ruled by Lilith, Xena and South Node or Cruithne.
It's most likely the signs Orion and Ophiuchus or Cetus have a heart.
But the sign Draco/Hydra and perhaps Ophiuchus with Serpens are woody.

In ancient times, astrologers made Venus into two worlds: Venus has a fiery might as a "morning star" and an earthy essence in the evening, and you have the minority of astrologers placed Venus in the Air group: but of Jupiter you had the "king of the planets" in all four groups in various ways.

The masculine signs are under the hot influence of Fire & cool hint of Air.
The feminine signs are under an earthy tone and carries a watery nature.
The heart signs should be masculine with the wood should have feminity.
And the signs' Cardinal, Fixed and Mutable strengthens or weakens their gender based on the signs' ruling planets, elemental nature and seasons.

I also think the additional planetary influential rulerships goes like this:
Eris - Aries, Charon - Taurus, Chiron - Orion, Pluto - Gemini, Neptune - Cancer, Uranus - Leo, Saturn - Virgo, Jupiter - Libra, Mars - Scorpio, Ceres - Ophiuchus, Cruithne - Sagittarius, Venus - Capricorn, Mercury - Aquarius, Sedna - Pisces and Xena - Cetus, or add Lilith for Draco/Hydra, or True node for Serpens.

Another pattern of planetary or celestial rulership listing in a new order:
Cruithne - Aries, Ceres -Taurus, Lilith - Gemini, Sun - Cancer (or Aquarius), Moon-Leo (or Virgo, some say Gemini), True Node - Virgo (or Draco/Hydra), Mercury - Libra, Venus - Scorpio (or Cancer), Mars - Sagittarius (or Leo, some say Virgo), Jupiter - Capricorn (or Leo), Saturn - Taurus (or Virgo), Uranus - Ophiuchus or Orion, Neptune - Taurus (or Scorpio), Pluto - Pisces and Charon - Cetus (or Sagittarius), but could be used for Ophiuchus while the adjacent Scorpio had an Uranus influence and so has Taurus facing Orion, while the Bull has a strong Venus shared by the Scorpion.

The Sun rules masculine signs and the Moon rules feminine sign, but some astrologers stated the new signs can be designated neuteral signs or the idea of Orion and Ophiuchus is masculine, while Cetus and Draco/Hydrae are feminine; and the arrangement of Cardinal, Fixed and Mutable signs are affected with the neutrals - neither have gender or are moderate.

The signs can be arranged based on their seasons when the sun appears within them in ecliptical orbit through the year in the astrological zodiac: Spring/birth or child: Aries, Taurus and Gemini (plus Orion), Summer/youth or teen-age: Cancer, Leo and Virgo (plus Draco/Hydra), Autumn/aging or middle-age: Libra, Scorpio and Sagittarius (plus Ophiuchus+Serpens); and Winter/dying or elderly: Capricorn, Aquarius and Pisces (plus Cetus).

And finally the traditional astrological elemental nature of planets for the branches of this field doesn't normally have Uranus, Neptune and Pluto.:
Fire/masculine-Sun & Mars, Earth/feminine-Moon & Saturn, Air/masculine-Mercury & Jupiter, and Water/feminine-Venus & True Node (sometimes).

For the world to end or restart in fire, or begin or replenish in water, the earth is creative or fertile and the air is releasing or rejuvenating: thus a planet like Saturn and Uranus means time but can mean adolescence and Mercury has an infant but also adolescent and stood for peak of ones' physical ability, so does Mars and Jupiter, and the two planets have a romantic nature but Venus is famous for this, and Neptune also share this...but there's the Neptunian and Plutonic nature of death and deception.
 
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powerion

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this is my problem,
And I'm an Atheist so I don't believe "God" put anything anywhere. :tongue:


YET>>>>
Pluto and Eris have their current positions because early in the history of the solar system Neptune, which was originally between Saturn and Uranus, was thrown outward by the gravitational effects of Jupiter and Saturn. Neptune plowed through the Kuiper belt, sucking many KBOs, including Pluto and Eris, into resonant orbits.

lmao... that all sounds good, but how in the world did you figure that out?

IMO the Kupier Belt is the Eye, check it out!

IMO you do believe in God if you can believe that:biggrin:
 

Bjorkstrand

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There isn't 12 planets.
There are about 35 in the hormone layer(pluto to eris)
ANd another 35 or more between eris and sedna(the auric layer)

Jim
 

paneagle7

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There isn't 12 planets.
There are about 35 in the hormone layer(pluto to eris)
ANd another 35 or more between eris and sedna(the auric layer)

Jim

Jim

not sure why you said this, unless you like to joke...
hormone layer, and eris (eros, etc)
- you are out there (auric)
I no longer say as above, so below
but instead 'as within, so without".
I look at the harmonics, especially 60th. as you can see.

The stars relate, people reflect. They do not cause.

By way, "there isn't" s/b There are not (I think)
but even saying there is'nt 12 planets suggests there are no planets at all.
Planet or orbiting bodies, whatever, they surely are there,
and moving all the time, as are we, as is the sun and the galaxy too.
Wow it is, all about us.
 
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paneagle7

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There isn't 12 planets.
There are about 35 in the hormone layer(pluto to eris)
ANd another 35 or more between eris and sedna(the auric layer)

Jim

FOREST FOR THE TREES; Why bother with 20 or 35 or even the old 7 planet system? No need, except as we may wish to. Its our choice, but the walk in the sun is mine.

THE CELESTIAL ZODIAC (follows the sun 26,000 path)
There are to me 12 constellation symbols in the celestial path. I do not think God put them there, nor are they going to be the same in 10,000 years. However, the symbol relate as a higher octave and also reflect the old zodiac signs. The path of the sun in minute of arc is reflected in the inner 60Harmonic and related to the celestial zodiac, just as the 1x sun degree is the outer relation of the ecliptic year path of the earth - These move with the sun used in the common zodiac. (Draw lines not exactly but close enough through the constellations of the polar north star and the equatorial zone) - Some can be identified by brightest stars. It is not the symbol but the type which is related. (Astrology is not an absolute science, it is relative)

THE 12 Sign CELESTIAL (and related COMMON ZODIAC)
Aries - Perseus, the Hero
Taurus - Eridanus the River (Alternate; Camelopalardis/Camel Leopard)
Gemini - Auriga the Charioteer (Alternate; Orion)
Cancer - Monoceres the Unicorn (Alternate; the Dog)
Leo - Ursa Major the Bear (alternate; Lynx)
Virgo - Bootes the Shepherd (herdsman) (alternate; the Owl Nebula)
Libra - Gemma (Coronis) of the Northern Crown
Scorpio - Ophiuchus Doctor Healer - alternate; Draco the Dragon and (Hercules (alternate possible between higher scorpio and sagittarius)
Sagittarius - Aquila the Eagle (alternate Hercules or Ophiuchus)
Capricorn -Delphinus the Dolphin (alternate; Cygnus the Swan)
Aquarius - Pegasus The Winged Horse (alternate Cepheus the King)
Pisces - Cetus the Whale (alternate Andromeda the Queen)

If you follow the thread, the 60Harmonic Sun at the second (minute) degree gives the position of these relation to the Celestial Path.

We can follow the 26,000 year cycle as well using these symbols, for various time periods and historical insights, aka Atlantis, Lemurian, Minoan, Mayan and other civilizations.

Clearly the Pegasus and Aquarius period of this century is upon us.

The Celestial circle and Sol Zodiac is the first comprehension in the Astrology field of this inner-outer which opens doorways of consciousness, reflected "as within so without".

I wish you all the best in your understanding and spirutual development.
 

Bjorkstrand

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The hormone layer is no joke. These objects are useful. The ones beyond eris are not so much(useful that is).

Jim

HORMONE LAYER
NUMBER NAME PERIOD OP C H MEANING
YR # #
(119951) 2002 KX14 (243)08 1 4.5 WORK?
(120348) 2004 TY364(244)06 1 4.3 ORDER?
(175113) 2004 PF115(245)07 1 4.2 ?
2003 UZ413(245)10 1 4.3 LIGHTNING
(144897) 2004 UX10 (245)15 1 4.5
(90482) Orcus (245)15 1 2.3 DEATH
(84922) 2003 VS2 (247)08 1 4.2 SURRENDER
(208996) 2003 AZ84 (247)07 1 3.8 FANATIC
(38628) Huya (247)07 1 4.7 NASTY?
2007 JH43 (249)07 1 4.7 ?
(28978) Ixion (250)12 1 3.2 TO DIE FOR
(134340) Pluto (251)78 1 -0.7 POWER & SEX

(145452) 2005 RN43 (267)13 21 3.9 DOCTOR
2008 AP129(270)06 22 4.5 ?
2002 MS4 (270)12 22 3.7 JOKER
(24835) 1995 SM55 (273)10 24 4.8 LOVE
(90568) 2004 GV9 (274)06 24 4.0 CREATION
(120347) Salacia (275)11 25 4.3 MEDIA

(55637) 2002 UX25 (281)09 31 3.6 ORDER
(145453) 2005 RR43 (282)07 31 4.0 NERVE
(120178) 2003 OP32 (283)06 32 4.1 OPTIC
(55636) 2002 TX300(284)07 35 3.3 AUDIO
(20000) Varuna (284)13 36 3.6 MATERIALISM
(50000) Quaoar (285)16 33 2.5 EUREKA
(202421) 2005 UQ513(285)09 37 3.4 E CONDUCTOR
(136108) Haumea (285)12 37 0.2 SYNAPSE(IQ)
2010 VK201(286)02 37 4.5 ?
(19308) 1996TO66 (287)09 37 4.5
2004 NT33 (289)11 37 4.4 DNA?

2009 YE7 (297)03 4 4.4 FACEBOOK
2000 CN105(300)09 4 5.0 ?
(174567) 2003 MW12 (309)12 4 3.4 LOVE
(136472) Makemake (309)09 4 -0.3 TIME(WHEN)
(19521) Chaos (309)11 4 4.8 LIMITS+
2010 KZ39 (310)02 4 3.9 ?
2010 FX86 (319)02 4 4.3 KARMA

(230965) 2004 XA192(321)04 5 4.0 PEOPLE
(55565) 2002 AW197(327)07 5 3.3 MUSIC
(278361) 2007 JJ43 (332)05 5 3.2 SOUND
2010 RF43 (348)02 5 4.1 REFLEXOLOGY
2003 QX113(349)06 5 4.7 ?
(42301) 2001 UR163(368)06 5 4.2 IQ

(84522) 2002 TC302(410)06 6 3.9 LIGHT
2004 XR190(438)05 6 4.4 FAITH

2010 RE64 (510)02 7 4.3 REINCARNATION?
(225088)2007 OR10 (553)06 7 1.9 FEAR OF DEATH
2006 QH181(557)02 7 3.8 PARANOIA
 

Bjorkstrand

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Here's the aura layer.
You all should expand your universe and get with the page.

Jim

AURA LAYER L=LAYER C=CHAKRA *=BIG
NUMBER NAME PERIOD OP LC H MEANING(NAME)
YR #
(136199) 2003 UB313 (562)15 11-1.2*POWER(ERIS)
2003 QK91 (566)05 11 6.9 HEARING?
2001 OM109 (573)03 12 7.9 LINK
2010 EK139 (572)05 12 3.8*NAME
2006 HX122 (582)02 13 5.9
(160148) 2001 KV76 (593)04 13 7.7 AURA
2003 FH129 (600)04 14 8.2
(126619) 2002 CX154 (607)04 14 7.1 EXPLORE
2007 TA418 (617)02 1 7.2
(229762) 2007 UK126 (641)09 15 3.4*
2005 PT21 (652)03 17 7.4 THINK

(145480) 2005 TB190 (668)04 21 4.7*EMOTION
2003 LA7 (671)04 2 6.4
2000 PF30 (676)03 2 7.9
2000 PH30 (680)03 2 7.6
2004 TF282 (717)03 2 6.
2006 HV122 (743)03 2 6.1

(15874) 1996 TL66 (757)07 31 5.3 MIND
(82155) 2001 FZ173 (807)04 32 6.2
2005 EF304 (813)04 32 7.3
2003 YQ179 (823)05 33 7.1
2008 LP17 (836)02 33 6.4
2003 CF119 (843)04 33 7.3
(307982) 2004 PG115 (869)04 34 4.9*PSYCHIC?
(145474) 2005 SA278 (875)05 35 6.2 PSYCHOLOGY
1999 CY118 (878)03 36 8.7 DREAM?
(145451) 2005 RM43 (886)06 33 4.4*PHOTOMEM?
2006 HQ122 (888)03 36 6.3 MINDREAD
(26181) 1996 GQ21 (889)07 36 5.2 MAN
2005 RP43 (902)02 37 6.2

(118702) 2000 OM67 (987)04 44 6.4 CONNECTIONS
(65489) 2003 FX128 (997)11 4 6.3 AURA WEB(CETO)
(29981) 1999 TD10 (1000)07 4 8.7
2008 ST291(1005)03 4 4.3*FACEBOOK

(91554) 1999 RZ215(1051)06 51 7.8 YEEHA
(184212) 2004 PB112(1153)04 53 7.2 GRAVITY
(303775) 2005 QU182(1201)10 5 3.1*COLOR
1999 CZ118(1281)04 5 7.9 ELECTRICITY?

(181902) 1999 RD215(1356)04 6 7.5 IMAGE DNA
(54520) 2000 PJ30 (1362)04 6 8. PSYCHIC

2003 HB57 (1972)04 7 7.4 PROGRAM1
2005 PU21 (2319)04 7 6.1 PROGRAM3
2007 VJ305(2748)03 7 6.8 PROGRAM6
2003 SS422(2753)?? 7 7.1 PROGRAM?
2002 GB32 (3097)04 7 7.4
(148209) 2000 CR105(3346)04 7 6.1 ASTRO CHART
(82158) 2001 FP185(3432)04 7 6.1 GENETIC CODE
2004 VN112(6188)04 7 6.4 2ND CHAKRA VIBE
2010 BK118(7577)02 7 10.5 2ND CHAKRA
2009 MS9 (8348)02 7 10.5 2ND CHAKRA
 
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