Hi Waybread,Apologies if you know the following already.
To me the ascendant shows one's outward appearance to the world-- both physical and personality.
In medical astrology, the first house says something about the person's overall vitality, and possible health issues associated with one's head. (Pisces rules the feet.)
In modern astrology (not in traditional western) the planetary ruler of the first house is usually taken as the nativity's ruling planet.
One issue to consider in typing people according to rising sign is genetics. A lot of appearance-based delineations for the ascendant came from skewed samples-- of northern Europeans.
I wonder if "fish eyes" are possible for Asians with hereditary epicanthal folds and dark eyes. I think "fish eyes" change with facial expression. I think Donald Trump often looks like he has" fish eyes," but he has Leo rising.
Neptune, as you know, can also have negative associations-- escapism: an inability to cope with reality, because Neptune doesn't deal with reality-as-given. People with Neptune in the first house are sometimes seen as the chameleons or shape-shifters of the zodiac. Neptune rising can erase a strong sense-of-self, and leave its natives with a weakened sense of how they come across to others. Neptune rising is supposedly a good placement for an actor, because their outward projections will often depend upon what others want to see in them.
I have Virgo rising, incidentally, but Neptune in the first house in Libra in most quadrant house systems.
The other thing to consider is aspects to the ascendant or any first house planets, as these can really change the expression of the rising sign. I have Uranus square my Virgo ascendant, and I look like anything but the stereotypical tidy secretary. My hair has never behaved, and looks unusual compared to most other women.
Yes I remember that, but was not able find consistency with appearance and ascendants and have discarded it. Nor was I able to validate the houses…. And Scientific Astrology could not statistically validate the house and planet placements in them. Sorry, I like hard facts backed by statistics.
As for Neptune symbolism: not escapism, but because it is associated with youthfulness, in some natives with certain aspects may manifest as innocence or naivety. In clash with Saturnian planets could defiantly manifest as you noted above.
But… I need to see 6 different charts,
- geocentric longitude for 30 degree aspects,
- geocentric longitude for Septile bicseptile and triceptile aspects,
- geocentric declinations,
- heliocentric longitude for 30 degree aspects,
- heliocentric longitude for Septile bicseptile and triceptile aspects,
- heliocentric latitudes
Like Uranus Neptune conj and parallel in helio and geo for those born in the early nineties… so many actors, singers, computer geniuses and influencers… it fits those natives with that strong aspect across 4 charts. Add a great Jupiter for luck in 30 degree or septile to the Neptune/Uranus. Wow!
Timing is everything, humans are more complex than a single Geocentric longitude chart.
There is so much more to be learned…. Visit Magi Kevin, Magi Bette, Magi Helena’s sites… they all post the basics on their websites. I’m only a student of theirs.