My twins born with moon in 12th house and Saturn squares their moon 🤔😓

Taurusmom

Member
Waw ! What an amazing detailed analysis! I’m so grateful. Thank you so much !
My whole life I thought that my moon in cap was ruling my first house and not my 8th one. I feel surprised. Didn’t even know all those details about houses in synastry.
I thought also that my twins have their third house in cancer and their moon (mother) in house 12 ruling. I didn’t know their moon is in third house about siblings and not the mom.

About Saturn squares moon there is indeed doubt to that. Some astrologers as you mentioned say that above 5 degrees it’s wide orb so not accurate but others say till 12 degrees in personal planets as moon, sun etc it counts and influences the native. Hope you will the right one ☝️ 🙏🙏💝💝 really!

As you know so much about astrology wanted also to make another question. My twin babies are soooo different. The baby boy is a cry mugging baby and kind of difficult because he doesn’t sleep a lot during day AND night etc and the baby girl is the most easy baby I’ve ever see. Of my three children my girl is the most easygoing. How is it possible that twins with identical same natal charts can be so different? Do you also believe that the older twin is ruled more from ascendant and sun and the other one from dc cusp ?
And if yes what is the dc cusp for my baby son? What is the ruler in their chart between dc and asc? (In order to understand more their HUGE differences)

And one more last question did you see in their chart or in mine or in our synastry the early “loss” of their mother as many people say about moon and sun in 12 th house ?


Thanks a lot for your support and explanation for everything
I’m more than grateful and I understand something more now 💝🥰

Kind greetings,
Elisa



MQUOTE=Zora;1135448][FONT=&quot]Hello Taurus-Sun-Mom,[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]I'm a stubborn fix sign taurus sun, with two additional fix sign taurus planets - too- as you have. With fix sign taurus moon and fix sign taurus mercury, too- even if not in 6th house - but in 11th house- my moon/mercury being opposed by scorpio saturn - moon ruling my 0°cancer ASC - venus and jupiter in 12th house.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]In natural zodiac, 4th house – female principle and mother is in cancer- ruled by moon. But in a personal individiual chart due to DOB and TOB – this may change with sign and ruling planet. The zodiac female principle moon house stays below as valid in it's meaning and the personal individual sign gets above – then with moon/correspondence energy.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
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[FONT=&quot]And same as in your both twins charts- in my chart – 4th house -female principle – traditional moon house – is in leo ruled by sun, too - showing how a chartowner experiences own mother (as a personal part and piece of an individual picture of the chart-owner – but not the whole true picture own mother as a person really was). [/FONT][FONT=&quot]
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[FONT=&quot]And I experienced my mother shown with leo in 4th house - as a very firy-warm idealistic, enthusiasic strong woman and the bravest woman – I ever met in my life – she was able to fight for own kids life like an amazon or a warrior with her own aries sun - even willing to give up her own life for them- like a lion-mother would do for her babies. Same as you as your twins mother would do - and they will experience from you as their individual part with sun ruling their 4th house - squaring cap pluto in 9th house. A very intense and strong fighting for life (even against authorities with pluto in cap in 9th house) - an intense persisting, never giving up, faithful survival energy - your twins have in their charts - showing their own mother.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Moon in taurus in twins 12th house in intercepted taurus is ruled by venus and venus also rules health house and medical treatment/doctors treatment at point of birth - with venus square pluto in 9th house - showing dominated from an authority from outside by profession (a doctor). [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]If you call aspects “as bad” - this is a human and human judgement - often due to a lack in knowledge - but judgement in astrology in fact doesn’t exist - all energies have their lightful sides and their shadow energies - one has the choice to experience and to use.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
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[FONT=&quot]And in principle - Astrology refers to the “belief” that life is meant as never ending circle of self-evolving from a higher point of view – where a right or false doesn’t exist – only experiences – necessary for learning more. And that every soul and "waiting child in the sky"- needs a certain planet placement constellation for being able to jump into the next physical life and incarnation.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]And if their life started with a doc telling and kinda dominating your decision regarding a c-section on a certain special day – for what personal reason ever – it was nevertheless from a higher view – the before exact “booked”and perfect planet constellation for the three of you – you and your twins – to jump into the physical body and to share a certain experience together. And it had for sure not happened “coincidently” and not without a deeper and higher sense. And you may be very sure- that your both twins got all the energies with them- they will need to master their own lifes.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]And if you look into your synastry (your special own transit- at point of their birth) you will see the very special bond with both of your twins – you already started with in your pregnancy with both. All their 12th house planets ruled by mars – also prenatal house before own birth – fall in your aries mars ruled 4th house – conceiving a child, pregnancy and being a mother yourself. Their gemini mars ruling 12th- in 1st house sextiling aries sun in 12th house - as ruler of their 4th house - own mother and first basic trust in own life.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]And look like a warm emotionally fully welcoming both with both open arms. Your twins northnode out of their 1st house - personal birth energy - appearing on your DC- in 7th house -first encounter. Opposing your uranus – for the sudden event as a c-section – which left a physical scar in your body – with twins chiron (an injury) sitting exact on your 4th house /IC cusp - 4th house – female body part – to suddenly end a pregnancy.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Twins saturn in 10th house - on 12°aquarius - saturn in it's transits called "the Lord of (right) time - is in your physical existence body and personal values and what you see as worthy -house 2nd and their natal saturn zero degree exact sextiles your natal uranus on 12° sag in 1st house and squares your natal scorpio saturn on 12° in 11th house - public institutions and hospitals/doctors.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
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[FONT=&quot]Twins natal uranus is in your 5th house - giving birth to own children - and with their uranus in your 5th house out of her prenatal before birth 12th house - it looks both souls of your twins "demanded a sudden non-conventional not nature standard event - like a c-section" to get born into your life.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
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[FONT=&quot]Twins mars ruling 12th house - prenatal house before birth during pregnancy in their 1st house - cusp 2nd as their physical body house - and their 12th house ruling mars in your 7th house - visible for you and first encounter at birth - sextiling their sun as her mother experience house ruler.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Moon in chart of your twins rules their 3rd house - house of siblings - both each for another and has nothing to do with mother in their charts. And moon squaring saturn is of wide - not strong effective 6° orb - not seen as valid for me pers. anymore.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]Moon in your chart rules your 8th house - leaving descendants in own life - and is in your 1st house sitting like twins together with your neptune - ruling 3rd house - siblings. Midheaven cusp of your twins - a very sensitive personal axis - is on 1°aquarius - falling in your 2nd house and perfectly semisextiling your special moon/neptune "twin" conj. in 1st house - neptune being on special spiritual degree of 0°cap - zero degree exact sextiling your natal pluto on special spiritual degree of 0° scorpio - as a fated planet for you - ruling your spiritual 12th house.[/FONT][/FONT]
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Taurusmom

Member
Hi dearest Leo moon

Thank you so much for your time and effort!
🙏💝🙏💝

But I really don’t know how to interpret those transits and charts. I can’t understand a lot of things. I took print screen of the charts you made and I’ll try to study more in order to understand a bit all those combinations and influences of house placements and rulers.


About your daughter with moon square Saturn aspect: Was she distant to you also as a child? Where you maybe to much demanding from her in order to help you with the two youngest children? Did she feel as a kid neglected or that she had too much responsibilities? How was your relationship with her when she was a kid? Was she closer to you ? Also moon in Virgo I read somewhere that it means having a mom who criticise a lot the actions of her kid, maybe that’s why she thinks you were “strict”?

You mentioned that since she s an adult the relationship between you and her is distant. Does that mean that you don’t see her at all ? Does she calls you ? Do you call her? Do you say to her that you love her? Maybe she needs to hear this more often? An astrologer once told me that people with moon square Saturn feel deeply insecure and that’s why they hide their deepest feelings from the outside world. In order to protect themselves, but that those people need the most to hear that they are loved and accepted the way they are.
Is this information accurate also in case of your daughter?

Greetings
Elisa


Using ZET free charts which I had downloaded as an alternate program for charts, I created one for you too, because you can add up to a certain amount of Arabic Lots with ZET which I liked that feature.



You can also create them in all kinds of colors and sizes, etc which makes it nice too: But I had to do it in two parts to get the graph to show you the degrees and signs of the Arabic Lots (see below) -



 

leomoon

Well-known member
Re: My twins born with moon in 12th house and Saturn squares their moon 🤔😓

Ref:
Is this information accurate also in case of your daughter?
Yes - for the most part, accurate.



But we also have to remember, with each child you have, they will react different. Each child will have their OWN Moon sign and aspects. I do think there is a certain amount of fate involved, probably more then we will ever know here.



As I said, my heart & door is always opened to her, but it's her choice to choose distance, and I respect their choices as adults. My husband and I always gave them room to make their own decisions and choices. Thats simply our way, others may choose differently.


BTW: She has no aspect (Ptolemaic or otherwise) to her Sun in Cancer.

Neither does her dad, who likewise, chose his own path in life.



Best for you to research the internet and never compare others to your own situation or self. Everyone is different and makes their best choices at the time.




As for my actions? I did the best I could at the time. No one is perfect, and motherhood at least when I had children, didn't come with a "how-to" manual. Not everything is in your hands. We all have a certain fate as souls, a certain amount of karma to meet and with that comes souls who may not take well to your personality. That's life (as I said earlier)
 
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Taurusmom

Member
I’m sure you did the best you could do under the circumstances that life brought you. I’m also sure that she loves you a lot but just needs to feel independent and that she will do everything in her own perfectionistic (moon in Virgo) way.


May you always be blessed dear

Ref: Yes - for the most part, accurate.



But we also have to remember, with each child you have, they will react different. Each child will have their OWN Moon sign and aspects. I do think there is a certain amount of fate involved, probably more then we will ever know here.



As I said, my heart & door is always opened to her, but it's her choice to choose distance, and I respect their choices as adults. My husband and I always gave them room to make their own decisions and choices. Thats simply our way, others may choose differently.


BTW: She has no aspect (Ptolemaic or otherwise) to her Sun in Cancer.

Neither does her dad, who likewise, chose his own path in life.



Best for you to research the internet and never compare others to your own situation or self. Everyone is different and makes their best choices at the time.




As for my actions? I did the best I could at the time. No one is perfect, and motherhood at least when I had children, didn't come with a "how-to" manual. Not everything is in your hands. We all have a certain fate as souls, a certain amount of karma to meet and with that comes souls who may not take well to your personality. That's life (as I said earlier)
 
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