My Chart Ruler

kaminari

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.. Hello friendly astrologers.. I've been studying my chart for years & still at intermediate level.. I'm wondering if you can help me understand the ruler of my chart.. I believe in a classical sense it should be Uranus since my rising sign is Aquarius.. however, I have a stellium in Scorpio & Saturn as a singleton.. how may this affect rulership..? is it possible to have many chart rulers, especially over the course of a lifetime..?.. I'm curious about your opinions..

.. it is my quest to truly know myself..

peace & abundance,

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Arian Maverick

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Chart ruler is an interesting if somewhat vague term. What is the definition of a chart ruler? Is it the planet that rules the Ascendant? Is it the Lord of the Geniture, the planet which has the greatest essential and accidental dignity? Is it the final dispositor, if there is one in a natal chart?

I am interested to see how or if these questions will be resolved on this thread.

I believe in a classical sense it should be Uranus since my rising sign is Aquarius

Uranus is not a "classical" planet, so I believe the traditional ruler of your Ascendant is Saturn in Taurus, which opposes many planets in your Scorpio stellium. Regardless if it is your chart ruler, it is certainly an important planet in your natal chart. I want to consult a specialist of chart patterns before I state this with certainty, but it appears that you have a bucket chart, and Saturn is the "handle" of this bucket.

Here's a link: The Bucket Planetary Pattern. Hopefully, I've identified the chart pattern correctly. :unsure:

Arian Maverick
 
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katydid

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Chart ruler


Uranus is not a "classical" planet, so I believe the traditional ruler of your Ascendant is Saturn in Taurus, which opposes many planets in your Scorpio stellium. Regardless if it is your chart ruler, it is certainly an important planet in your natal chart. I want to consult a specialist of chart patterns before I state this with certainty, but it appears that you have a bucket chart, and Saturn is the "handle" of this bucket.

Here's a link: The Bucket Planetary Pattern. Hopefully, I've identified the chart pattern correctly. :unsure:

Arian Maverick
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I am not convinced that this is indeed a bucket chart. The 'bucket' portion is so close together, it is more like a bundle-bucket pattern. Or , imo, a SeeSaw , with Saturn being the 'Saw.' I think that it works more like a seesaw than a bucket because essentially both groupings are opposed each other, much like a see saw pattern. Buckets usually have one group all spread out, and then one other set apart.

I do agree that Saturn is a good bet as the chart ruler, if there is really such a thing. :rightful: It is co-ruler of the asc and it is in opposition to all of the other planets, which from a huge sextile formation in stance. The one thing that makes me uncertain is that it is so low down in the chart. :annoyed:
 

katydid

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.. Hello friendly astrologers.. I've been studying my chart for years & still at intermediate level.. I'm wondering if you can help me understand the ruler of my chart.. I believe in a classical sense it should be Uranus since my rising sign is Aquarius.. however, I have a stellium in Scorpio & Saturn as a singleton.. how may this affect rulership..? is it possible to have many chart rulers, especially over the course of a lifetime..?.. I'm curious about your opinions..

.. it is my quest to truly know myself..

peace & abundance,

V-

I think it would be between Saturn and Pluto. Pluto is the dispositor of all your scorpio planets and is in a higher position in the chart than Saturn. Pluto is in it's own house as well. But Saturn is so powerful being the singleton, and opposing the bundle, made up of the rest of your chart.
I do think that we have different 'rulers' during different phases of our life. For example, MOST people are experiencing Saturn more fully @ 28, and uranus more directly @ 42. :w00t:
 

EJ53

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kaminari said:
....help me understand the ruler of my chart.. I believe in a classical sense it should be Uranus since my rising sign is Aquarius.. however....is it possible to have many chart rulers, especially over the course of a lifetime?

Although the modern ruler of your Aquarius ascendant (and chart if, as Katydid says, there is such a thing) is indeed Uranus, Kaminari........I suspect the traditional rulers influence us more in early life, until we develop the spiritual awareness to respond to the outer planets......So I'd opt for Saturn as the initial ascendant/chart ruler, with the Uranus taking over when "the time is right".

AM said:
.....Chart ruler is an interesting if somewhat vague term. What is the definition of a chart ruler? Is it the planet that rules the Ascendant? Is it the Lord of the Geniture, the planet which has the greatest essential and accidental dignity? Is it the final dispositor, if there is one in a natal chart?............I am interested to see how or if these questions will be resolved on this thread

Good point AM.......everyone needs to be singing the same words, even if we disagree about the tune.

I like Alan Oken's definition of the chart ruler......"Wherever it is in your chart, that's where you are!".....and agree with his view that it is the ruler of the ascendant, except when a planet is within 5 degrees of the ascendant in first house or 3 degrees in 12th house......(This rule does seem to identify the planet/activities which individuals identify with most).

For example, I have a Virgo ascendant ruled by Mercury in Scorpio/2nd and "thinking about metaphysics is me"...............But, I'll think about something else when the strongest planet in my chart forces me to....or the final dispositor leads me gently in another direction.

EJ:unsure:
 

kaminari

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astrologers.. Thank you so much for your wisdom.. From what's been stated, I do have three distinct chart rulers whose energy may be activated during certain periods of my life.. As I understand the planets & their energies & the house placements more, my life begins to make sense.. I feel that Saturn has ruled much of my life until I left home & then Uranus took over.. I felt Saturn's effects in the return but Uranus came back.. Always unexpectedly.. & Pluto is there to pick up the pieces..

My life is making sense.. Thanks again.. ;-)
 
astrologers.. Thank you so much for your wisdom.. From what's been stated, I do have three distinct chart rulers whose energy may be activated during certain periods of my life.. As I understand the planets & their energies & the house placements more, my life begins to make sense.. I feel that Saturn has ruled much of my life until I left home & then Uranus took over.. I felt Saturn's effects in the return but Uranus came back.. Always unexpectedly.. & Pluto is there to pick up the pieces..

My life is making sense.. Thanks again.. ;-)

You have calculated your chart using the default on astro.com of placidus and I use Equal House system and am a modern astrologer. Lots of people that come into Astrology get their free charts calculated at www.astro.com and the default ‘house system’ used is Placidus and think that’s just the norm and all that there is……..BUT that is just the tip of the iceberg. You can change the default on astro.com in Extended Chart selection to Equal house and a few more.

Throughout the forums but mainly in natal astrology there are two main branches Placidus (unequal size houses) v Equal House (whereby each house is same size) but lots more……. For more information on these go here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_(astrology)#Description
http://www.astrolozy.com/article19.asp
http://www.skyviewzone.com/birthinfoforms2/housesexplained.htm

It's only with study and research will you be able to assess where your planets are deposited and in which houses... thus see which 'glove fits'

Now ALL those planets would be in 10th not 9th and Saturn in 4th house. So, just to check your time is correct using solar arcs SA IC conj Saturn age 4, did somone dissappear, become distant, strict? Age 6 SA MC conj Neptune, relocation family sacrifices? Age 1, house move?

Do you feel the pull between duty responsibility of home roots, family matters and do you see saw from family to career and what you are known for publicly?

Now I see Uranus as the only chart ruler and placed in 9th Equal house system.

Looking at your elements you have nothing in fire which could really use all those planets in 10th being cardinal house (for starting projects). Mars and Uranus in 9th suggests you would be interested in learning new but unusual things and prob have unsuaul relations with in-laws to.


Sun square Asc can cause an identity crisis espec when younger.
External behaviour is erratic at one moment they sound brimful of confidence but at the next they clam up as if they were unsure of themselves. This makes them hard to understand and complicates relationships with people. They shrink from criticism since it feeds insecurity. Sometimes they withdraw into a shell or hide behind others.

With the tense aspects, the ego is out of step with ­expectations, and these people have difficulty in seeing how they ought to behave.
 

Niplan

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Traditionaly from a glance, Venus, As it is the only one being linked to her sign, with the opposition to saturn, Giving her triplicity and sign ownership in the chart.. There is alot of reception for the final depositor as well.

But then if you want the genture, you'd have to calculate the dignities.
 

kaminari

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Now ALL those planets would be in 10th not 9th and Saturn in 4th house. So, just to check your time is correct using solar arcs SA IC conj Saturn age 4, did somone dissappear, become distant, strict? Age 6 SA MC conj Neptune, relocation family sacrifices? Age 1, house move?

Do you feel the pull between duty responsibility of home roots, family matters and do you see saw from family to career and what you are known for publicly?

Now I see Uranus as the only chart ruler and placed in 9th Equal house system.

Looking at your elements you have nothing in fire which could really use all those planets in 10th being cardinal house (for starting projects). Mars and Uranus in 9th suggests you would be interested in learning new but unusual things and prob have unsuaul relations with in-laws to.


Sun square Asc can cause an identity crisis espec when younger.

Identity crisis as a child yes..

I moved into my childhood home when I was about age 1.. My closest sister & childhood soul mate left home maybe around age 7 & moved far away & we have rarely seen each other since.. My father & mother divorced around this time..

Not really about astrology, but this house is where many strange things happened (poltergeist, family seeing "ghosts", etc.) but I don't remember all of these events but the ones I do remember make me shiver..

I've had more jobs than anyone I know & 4 main "careers" I ventured into wholeheartedly.. now known publicly as working in science & also editing..

My only real interests now are in making art & playing music in my band & learning astrology..

I feel more comfortable far away from my country & feel like I have an opportunity here to find my true career..

I also feel like starting a home after meeting someone recently.. But she's not quite ready..

I will check out those links & learn the other system to see if it fits.. & I appreciate your help..
 
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