Mutual Receptions

[AllanBeau]

I got two pairs of Mutual Receptions and was wondering what they do. Moon in Virgo Mercury in Cancer. Uranus in Sagittarius Jupiter in Aquarius.

The Uranus and Jupiter interest me the most right now cause there both singleton. *Only Air and Fire*

How does a planet in its own sign differ from one in mutual reception? For a final dispositor would I look at Venus in Taurus, Pluto in Scorpio. Or would I also consider my mutual receptions?

I wouldn't mind to hear other examples in other peoples charts on how mutual receptions function for them personally.

 

[tautomer]

I really only consider something in mutual reception when planets are aspecting. Your example of this is your jupiter and uranus aspect. Mercury and moon I would not count since they do not aspect. Other astrologers will count mutual reception when the planets aren't in aspect, but it depends.

As for how they work, it generally gives each planet a better understand of one another, and thus the aspect is generally more helpful, harmonious, and intergrated. I don't know much beyond that.

 

[greybeard]

Mutual reception is said to be "beneficial;" the two planets cooperate and mutually support each other. Reception means "to be in touch with each other." The two planets are "informed"** of and by each other, mutually sustaining. The word may imply taking on some burden.

My experience suggests that if the planets are naturally inimical, in hard aspect, or otherwise badly conditioned, mutual reception can exacerbate harm. I would interpret mutual receptions with prudence.

In the chart above, Moon is lord of the Sun and she is posited in the 12th House. She rules the three 10th House planets, which "stand above all else" [they are very powerful and dominant forces in the life], from this disadvantageous position. If you use the traditional rulerships rather than the modern ones, Moon disposes every planet in this chart except for the independent Venus. Rulerships are very powerful factors in horoscope interpretation; when a planet rules all the others or many of them, its influence in the life is greatly enhanced, for good or for evil. Look up, in your dictionary, the words "rule", "lord", "prince", "king", "determine," and "dispose"...these words describe the function of the lord of a sign (house cusp and affairs of the house) and of the planets in the sign.

Mercury is not only lord of the Ascendant, but rules the Midheaven (10th cusp) as well, and the house he occupies; he accrues power through these rulerships of powerful angles. The Angles of the horoscope are the most powerful and dynamic points in a chart; the planets ruling them therefore acquire additional power over and above what they hold for other reasons.

I would find it very difficult to ignore a mutual reception between two such powerful planets. And by the way, Mercury and Moon are in aspect: There is an exact semisquare between them.

How to intepret this relationship of Moon and Mercury? Suggestion: first, read everything you can find on "Moon" -- her sign position, house position, the aspects she beholds, her position as lord of 10th and 11th (she is not technically lord of 10th, but rules the three planets there and receives one of them) in the 12th, and so on. Do the same for Mercury. Write it all down, a separate page for each of the two planets (or if you feel ambitious, the ten planets).

Once you have done this, you now have statements about yourself instead of meaningless (in real-life terms) astrological jargon. Compare the two statements about yourself and see how they might assist or hinder you. This chart is about you and your life, not about "Moon in the 12th House" -- what does that mean to you? What does that position imply for you as a human being, in terms of living? Think in those terms rather than in terms of astrology. The astrological terms tell you about the condition of the different planets (different psychological aspects of yourself, people in your life, etc) and of their condition, how they function in your life, and how they relate to other factors. They describe the power of each planet. This allows you to weigh the horoscope. But unless you translate these astrological terms into meaningful statements about yourself you might as well go watch The Simpsons. You must use "the astrology" to go beyond the astrology and probe the depths of the life.

The Moon is very powerful in your chart. She is the mother, who is the source of whatever else the Moon implies. She is where it started. Moon in your chart is Common and Earthy. She is dependent (12th House), needs help and support. She is in a dark place and out of touch, confined, sad.... Note that Sun supports Moon by sextile, and she has power over him by rulership; he will do as she asks, support her needs.

** to give evident substance, character, or distinction to; pervade or permeate with manifest effect: A love of nature informed his writing.
4. to animate or inspire.
5. Obsolete (n.b., these words come from times past; their "obsolete" meanings are important.]
a. to train or instruct.
b. to make known; disclose.
c. to give or impart form to.

 

[JUPITERASC]

I got two pairs of Mutual Receptions and was wondering what they do. Moon in Virgo Mercury in Cancer. Uranus in Sagittarius Jupiter in Aquarius.

The Uranus and Jupiter interest me the most right now cause there both singleton. *Only Air and Fire*

I really only consider something in mutual reception when planets are aspecting. Your example of this is your jupiter and uranus aspect. Mercury and moon I would not count since they do not aspect. Other astrologers will count mutual reception when the planets aren't in aspect, but it depends

Furthermore, some astrologers 'would not count' Jupiter and Uranus BECAUSE not all astrologers agree on whether Aquarius is the domicile of Uranus or not. That's because for approximately two thousand years, Traditionally Aquarius is domicile aka natural home of Saturn... Uranus was 'discovered' only recently, astrologically speaking, on 13 March 1781 - Uranus is at the extreme edge of visibility with the naked eye and due to this factor combined with the vagaries of cloudy skies at night Uranus is rarely visible and may only be seen with the use of a powerful telescope. The domiciles aka homes of the planets are well established traditionally - BEFORE the invention of telescopes meant Uranus, Neptune and Pluto could be discovered.

AND I would agree with greybeard's comments

Mutual reception is said to be "beneficial;" the two planets cooperate and mutually support each other.

In the chart above, Moon is lord of the Sun and she is posited in the 12th House. She rules the three 10th House planets, which "stand above all else" [they are very powerful and dominant forces in the life], from this disadvantageous position. If you use the traditional rulerships rather than the modern ones, Moon disposes every planet in this chart except for the independent Venus.

Mercury is not only lord of the Ascendant, but rules the Midheaven (10th cusp) as well, and the house he occupies; he accrues power through these rulerships of powerful angles.

I would find it very difficult to ignore a mutual reception between two such powerful planets.

What supports greybeard's comment is the fact that Mercury in Cancer and Moon in Virgo are obviously in aspect BY SIGN

 

[SvetlanaIce]

Hmm good question.. I have 11th H Cap moon and 5th H Cancer saturn opposite each other by 2 degs.

I always wondered how a mutual reception plays out. I deal with high stress extremely well from what others tell me, I turn into a machine & get down to business when others would completely fall apart with the same type of stress.

 

[AllanBeau]

Something I wrote...On my mutual receptions. Ill try to write something for you SvetlanaIce.

Virgo Moon – Cancer Mercury
Aquarius Jupiter – Sagittarius Uranus
Moon in 12th – Neptune in 4th
Mercury in 10th – Saturn in 3rd
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Moon/Mercury its like I have clairaudience. My inner voice is loud and can’t be ignored. I am just good at guessing how somebody is going to react. My Ideas and attitudes stay inside me while they are mixed, simmered, cooked and digested. I have turned myself wrong-side-out already (I’m Left-Handed). I see things from a different perspective because I’m wired backwards. My emotion is not in what I say but in what I don’t say, not in my idea per se but in the process I went through to come up with it. Even though they say the Virgo Moon is analytical, its like I experience my emotions by trusting my inner voice. Its like I have an endless chatter box going on inside my head and in my gut. I just know things and can’t explain why. I know that emotions make no logical sense so they shouldn’t be thought on too much. Emotions come and go and can’t be controlled so there’s no reason to worry about them. Your intellect may be confused, but your emotions will never lie to you. My feelings and thoughts peacefully coexist with each others. Its not like having Moon in Gemini/Mercury in Pisces. My feelings don’t cloud my thoughts, and my feelings aren’t restricted by my thoughts.

Jupiter/Uranus seems like I don’t have the ability to discriminate somebody by their beliefs or cultural differences. I communicate with people from all over the world fluently. I’m able to have a intimate relationships with others even when language or cultural barriers seem to interfere. If there’s a will there’s a way….I’ll always figure out a way to relate to the human experience. Uranus is in the 3rd and I have an uncanny ability to find meaning, a common ground between two opposing forces. Not really religious at all, I consider myself to be a spirit guide. Somebody that helps you discover whatever path you think takes you to your enlightenment. I live in the “Old Kingdom”, and direct people towards higher awareness. I always find it interesting that Jupiter and Uranus are my only planets in Fire/Air elements so both these planets are also singleton. Uranus gets me into a lot of trouble. I don’t mind shocking other people, it comes naturally. Lots of times people see me as a space cadet who is off his rocker. Its just that genius resides in the capacity for evaluation of uncertain, hazardous, and conflicting information. Its the genius at work. Geniuses are like thunderstorms. They go against the wind, terrify people, cleanse the air.


Moon 12th/Neptune 4th – My security rest in my shell… I am a puff of smoke. My primary need is to be a shell. My inner strength, the membrane of my shell, resists breaking. When I break I take everyone with me and pull them into my abyss of self pity, addiction and escapism; however, when I’m whole, my selflessness elevates and protects us. I can make anybody feel at home within their bodies. Have dealt with a lot of trauma victims. Rape, addictions, and even scars of war have been experienced first-hand. My dad did 3 tours of Vietnam and has many demons. Oddly enough I was more like a parent to my dad then he was towards me. I can’t play down somebodies experience, I’m empathetic not sympathetic. I will not tell you what you want to hear, or feel sorry for you. I will try to motivate you to be a survivor. Saints are martyrs, so was Jesus. Look how their lives end. Martyrs, have to choose between being forgotten, mocked or used. As for being understood – never. Worship those whom have tortured to death doesn’t settle too nicely in my mind.


Mercury 10th/Saturn 3rd – I can think and concentrate deeply. Can spend hours reading on a subject. I’ll slowly evaluate a situation and see from all angles. It seems that my natural mental state of consciousness to always be in deep thought. But for me its light mind, I don’t feel weight down from profound thought. I have no problems telling the truth. Truth hurts if your scared go to church. Its one of my character flaws, I’m painfully honest and truthful to a fault. Growing up I always thought I was stupid and unintelligent. This forced me to do a personal inventory of myself at a young age. Obsessed with conquering over stupidly was a must. I was really bad at English growing up, always was grades behind. So I became a hardcore reader. Soon enough I far excelled my peers and proved my intelligence to myself. I focus on my weaknesses and am my own worse critic. I don’t even realize how much depth I put into my thoughts. Tend to forget that others don’t think as much as me. Deep thinking illuminates the secrets of your mind.

 

[AllanBeau]

Hmm good question.. I have 11th H Cap moon and 5th H Cancer saturn opposite each other by 2 degs.

I always wondered how a mutual reception plays out. I deal with high stress extremely well from what others tell me, I turn into a machine & get down to business when others would completely fall apart with the same type of stress.

Moon Capricorn/Saturn Cancer

I seem to examine my emotions from all perspectives. Emotionally I'm motivated to succeed, to achieve, no matter the obstacles, failures or limitations. I'm typically not afraid of much. Sometimes I come down with feelings of confusion but that doesn't last that long because of my sound judgement and trust in my instincts. I know that they are usually are correct because my structured thoughts seem not to conflict my instincts. I'm typically not afraid of being in an incredibly committed relationship towards anybody else but especially those I consider family. I have emotional toughness and don't display my vulnerability or softness easily. I'm not likely to rebel against someone as I have a respect for authority. Usually others seek out my justice, it is as if I am able to enlighten others to their proper paths. From years of feeling emotionally isolated, I learned how to help others feel good about themselves. I have always been my own worse judge, nobody gave me a clear sense of boundaries growing up. I learned later in life that my comprehension of the human experience was far more introspective, I dare to question myself and my motives. Its surprising how others are too frightened to question themselves. I'm a leader not a follower, I lead by example and it seems to make other people see me as an inspirational character. When it comes to stress, I turn into a machine and get down to business when others would completely fall apart with the same type of stress.

STOLE YOUR LINE . Well I don't know how accurate this is. Just took a stab at it. These two planets are determent so its supposedly not a powerful mutual reception (Capricorn Opposes Cancer) I would think that it would come with alot of struggles growing up, but in the long run a gift. LOTS of FEAR and doubts about your emotional reaction towards others. I think mutual receptions give us all kind of a Genius.

This is my understanding of a mutual reception. A mutual reception links the two planets in a feedback loop so by accessing one you access the other which then accesses the one and so on. They are linked permanently, in a way that can be beneficial. This can bestow gifts, with few drawbacks of inconvenience or lack of control. Training and discipline will hone the abilities to their most acute. They create abilities that may not manifest until the person is ready and able to handle it. Mutual reception can also give such a strong gift that the person may take it for granted. Certainly they possess abilities that are not commonly occurring. It can make a person a unaware and not understanding of those without the gift. They know what they know, and can do what they can do, and the person with this placement may not understand the skepticism of those who want concrete proof or the ability for others to duplicate the results. It bestow a type of genius, but like most geniuses, they are as often misunderstood and not appreciated for their unique gifts.

I might of made it sound like a gift, but every blessing ignored is a curse. Why has God given me such magnificent talent? It is a curse as well as a great blessing.

That was fun to write. I hope its positive effect for you.






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[AllanBeau]

Furthermore, some astrologers 'would not count' Jupiter and Uranus BECAUSE not all astrologers agree on whether Aquarius is the domicile of Uranus or not. That's because for approximately two thousand years, Traditionally Aquarius is domicile aka natural home of Saturn... Uranus was 'discovered' only recently, astrologically speaking, on 13 March 1781 - Uranus is at the extreme edge of visibility with the naked eye and due to this factor combined with the vagaries of cloudy skies at night Uranus is rarely visible and may only be seen with the use of a powerful telescope. The domiciles aka homes of the planets are well established traditionally - BEFORE the invention of telescopes meant Uranus, Neptune and Pluto could be discovered.

AND I would agree with greybeard's comments

What supports greybeard's comment is the fact that Mercury in Cancer and Moon in Virgo are obviously in aspect BY SIGN

Yeah but they didn't know about Uranus/Neptune/Pluto. Maybe astrologers from thousands of years ago would agree on these placements.

Who knows?

How would the writers of the Constitution see today's world?

Necessity is the mother of invention. The digital camera is a great invention because it allows us to reminisce. Change is constant; change is inevitable. Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance.

Donna Cunningham seems to support modern rulerships. Shes 70 years old does that say anything?

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[JUPITERASC]

Yeah but they didn't know about Uranus/Neptune/Pluto. Maybe astrologers from thousands of years ago would agree on these placements

Astrology today is no longer the study of the skies. Astrologers view natal charts as images on computers so there's no comparison with ancient astrology which encompassed astronomy as a matter of course

In ancient times astrology was a visual science and related directly to planetary bodies visible with the naked eye

Who knows? How would the writers of the Constitution see today's world? Necessity is the mother of invention. The digital camera is a great invention because it allows us to reminisce. Change is constant; change is inevitable. Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance.

Donna Cunningham seems to support modern rulerships. Shes 70 years old does that say anything?

Visual astrology continues to the present day - Bernadette Brady for example offers useful insights regarding interpretations related to fixed stars and constellations via a free illustrated lecture (downloadable) at http://www.visualastrology.co.uk/Fla...e_mainpage.htm[

Rumen Kolev is a respected practitioner of Babylonian Astrology http://www.babylonianastrology.com/

Current discussion "Understanding How Mutual Receptions Work" provides detailed explanations and examples with charts at http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=59264

 

[AllanBeau]

JUPITERASC -

Thank you for the links it gives me something to read. I agree with you about astronomy.

What about precession of the equinoxes? Should we all start looking at Sidereal placements? Hipparchus noticed that the positions of the stars shifted from earlier Babylonian measures. If it was all about astronomy... Why was this consideration left out?

Clearly classical astrologers "knew" about this but didn't see as it being important factor.

There has to be some philosophical deliberation. I wonder how much of there thoughts were based off of religious principles and dogmas. I always liked scared geometry myself. I do like the pattern of planet rulerships in classical astrology.

Saturn-Jupiter-Mars-Venus-Mercury-Moon-Sun-Mercury-Venus-Mars-Jupiter-Saturn

I Got much to learn.

Now I am off to read your links.

 

[JUPITERASC]

JUPITERASC -

Thank you for the links it gives me something to read. I agree with you about astronomy.

What about precession of the equinoxes? Should we all start looking at Sidereal placements? Hipparchus noticed that the positions of the stars shifted from earlier Babylonian measures. If it was all about astronomy... Why was this consideration left out?

Clearly classical astrologers "knew" about this but didn't see as it being important factor

AllanBeau, if I may say so, that's an erroneous view!

because remember that the prevailing Old Testament/Biblical status quo in ancient times favored a geocentric aka earth centered view of the universe

- hence those same classical astrologers/astronomers did not speak of precession for fear of religious persecution.

Then, during Early Christian times those 'astronomer/astrologers daring to mention precession would at the very least have lost their professional reputation and standing and even more likely would have been imprisoned - possibly executed. Remember Galileo?

There has to be some philosophical deliberation. I wonder how much of there thoughts were based off of religious principles and dogmas. I always liked sacred geometry myself. I do like the pattern of planet rulerships in classical astrology.

Saturn-Jupiter-Mars-Venus-Mercury-Moon-Sun-Mercury-Venus-Mars-Jupiter-Saturn

I Got much to learn. Now I am off to read your links.

Sacred Geometry thread http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42521

 

[Dreambearer]

So I read your scoop on mutual reception. Interestingly, you seem to mention about something called, "Mutual house reception" or planets in each others' home houses i.e. your Mercury/10th and Saturn/3rd. I have something like that with Mercury/8th and Pluto/3. So how do you think it would play out in this case, would the native have characteristics of both Pluto being in 8th and Mercury in the 3rd. I have always viewed education as to be intense while a the same time have a storehouse of random facts e.g. astrology.

 

[Dreambearer]

hello

in my chart I have in 0 degree and in 2 degrees. I think there's going on this mutual reception within each other.
mercury is conjunct same degree where second house begings and jupiter is in 7th house

I don't know if jupiter retrograde changes how it should be interpreted, does he gives some help to mercury too or keeps it only for himself because of retrograding move? then I have VERTEX with , jupiter is going towards vertex, both of them in seventh house. so maybe this mutual reception have something to do with people I meet..

ok I have also in , in , in and so on.. they say that when venus is in scorpio; it's bad. BUT if there would be pluto in taurus opposition venus in scorpio, then venus would be good also, because of this mutual reception, eh?

so, it's like first my mercury was in big trouble with sagittarian forces until jupiter came up to gemini and now theres no problem. with this idea, second planet would be "the savier"

I really can't say if this mutual reception matters anything, jupiter is also important to my birth chart because being lord of my sun. but I'm absolutely restless and curious person



some years ago, when I didnt know anything about astology, i went to astrology site where they writes with my own language and asked if anyone knows what is this mutual reception, do I have it?

no one didnt answer. so its funny how this is my first message here too, and same subject, but different language

Hi, so I guess what you are having is a reception by sign with your Jupiter and your Mercury in mutual tenancy of signs. What do you think would be the case if there was a tenancy by house for example in Allan Beau's case? I read it connects the houses but I wanna go in deeper, how is it scientifically plausible for areas of life to affect each other since the houses are in fact actual areas of life e.g. schools represent Mercury and churches and religious rituals might represent Jupiter. I found a dispositor tree using astro and found out that my mercury in the 8th and Pluto in the 3rd are recepted, how would that play out? Any ideas?

 

[cricketplayer]

well maybe your mercury is wearing those golden winged sandals. and so you have to go deeper.. and up again

dont know much about houses symbolising areas of life. I have moon in ninth but dont belong any church or religion. actually I think nature is sacred and forest can be your church

how about your signs, can they tell more about your areas of life?

 

[Dreambearer]

well maybe your mercury is wearing those golden winged sandals. and so you have to go deeper.. and up again

dont know much about houses symbolising areas of life. I have moon in ninth but dont belong any church or religion. actually I think nature is sacred and forest can be your church

how about your signs, can they tell more about your areas of life?

Lol! Yeah I get what you mean, pretty descriptive. Signs as far as I know are the cosmic energies that affect your life. There are twelve signs and therefore twelve major areas of life. Moon in the 9th perhaps means that you were born to a religious (not strict so yeah it can be a tree too) but fundamentally a philosophical home-life or you might have had a philosophical mother-figure. I have mine in Aquarius in the 6th.

 

[Munch]

I have an awesome mutual reception of Venus and Jupiter via my 1st and 3rd houses. 1st house Libra and 3rd house Sagittarius. Jupiter is in an exact conjunction with Saturn 4 degrees below my ascendant.

I am very positive and upbeat most of the time. This is especially true after coming out of a very long and rough Saturn/Pluto period (in which positive and optimistic didn't have much of a place in my life). I am now entering a massively Jupiter influenced period and I am as boisterous and gregarious as I have ever been.

I tend to express myself in very large, over the top ways that are also kinda 'weird' or 'out there.' Still, I tend to leave people feeling better than when they met me. At least lately. It's nice.