moving to another counrty

exelero

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Hi everyone, i need a piece of advice regarding astrocartography or relocation astrology. I am hoping to move from my home country to another country in europe this year for many reasons, but quality of life in general is the main one. So far, my options are almost all european (eu+norway, swiss) countries. Can someone tell me if one of these countries is good choice based on my natal chart? I have very limited astrological knowledge. I read something about venus in 12th house that is fortunate to move far away, across the ocean or on some island, but i do not have that possibility. I would really appreciate any suggestions.

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Samantha Bean

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Re: moving to another country, advice needed

Quality of life is not a house on the astrological chart. You need to specify what kind of quality of life you want to see augmented.

Also, remember! you have just one pie. If one part gets better something else will get worse. If romance improves, maybe career prospects will go down. I had a recent client who moved to increase her career prospects--house 10. However her friendships---house 11---, deteriorated substantially.


To do this I need actual birth data. I am sending you a PM with a request.

Here are some simple keywords for all the houses:

HOUSES

ONE
PRESENT, TODAY, YOU, YOUR TEMPERAMENT , OUTLOOK ON LIFE.
BIRTH, HEALTH, ACCIDENTS, EARLY LIFE,
NEW VENTURES, ADVENTURE, GRANDPARENTS

TWO
THE FUTURE, TOMORROW, YOUR SPECIAL TALENTS, HEREDITY, ANCESTRY, YOUR OWN MONEY, YOUR OWN WEALTH, YOUR POSSESSIONS,
SELF PROTECTION, SECURITY, BONDS,
PERSONAL INVESTMENTS

THREE
BLOOD RELATIVES, KIN, BROTHER SISTER, NEIGHBOR, (primary) TEACHERS, LETTERS, MESSAGES, GOSSIP, EARLY SCHOOLING, TRIPS, VISITS, WRITING, BOOKS, LITERATURE

FOUR
FATHER in a female chart, INHERITANCE(not money), HOME, DOMESTIC STUFF, REAL-ESTATE, MINES, WELLS, JURY & JURY DUTY, MIS LAYING THINGS, BURIED TREASURE, THE END OF STUFF, BURIAL

FIVE
CREATIVITY, CHILDREN, PREGNANCY, LOVE AFFAIRS, ENTERTAINMENT, STRIP TEASING, SPECULATION, GAMBLING, COMMUNITY PROPERTY


SIX
VOLUNTARY SERVICE, HABITS, RENTING, NON LIFE-THREATENING SICKNESS, DISTRESS, EMPLOYEES, INFERIORS, UNCLES, AUNTS, PETS, TAKING CARE OF ANIMALS, LABOR UNIONS

SEVEN
MARRIAGE, PARTNERSHIPS, DIVORCE, CONTRACTS, LAWSUITS, OPEN ANGER TO OTHERS, REMOVALS, SEPARATIONS, DOCTORS IN GENERAL

EIGHT
WILLS, MONEY LEGACIES, MONEY BY MARRIAGE, ALIMONY, SETTLEMENTS OF MONEY, GIFTS, FEES, TIPS, TAXES, DEBTS, LOSSES, BANKRUPTCY, INJURY, SURGERY(and surgeons), DEATH OF STUFF



NINE
RELIGION, SCIENCE, HIGHER EDUCATION, DIPLOMAS, CEREMONIES, THE LAW, LEGAL PROCEDURES, TRAVEL DREAMS OF THE FUTURE, INSURANCE, PUBLISHING, INLAWS, GRANDCHILDREN

TEN
CAREER, EMPLOYMENT, MOTHER of a woman, GUARDIAN, CREDIT, REPUTATION,
--FATE--, FAME, NOTORIETY, EMPLOYERS, END OF PARTNERSHIPS, COURTS, JUDGES

ELEVEN
CIRCUMSTANCES IN YOUR LIFE, FRIENDS, MEMBERSHIPS, AMBITIONS, HOPES, WISHES, CARING ABOUT OTHERS, DEATHS IN FAMILY, RADICAL REFORMERS

TWELVE
THE PAST, YESTERDAY, ENFORCED SERVITUDE, CONFINEMENT, SECRET ENEMIES, INFORMERS, WIDOWS, GRIEF, FUNERALS, DETENTION, MISTAKES, ERRORS IN JUDGEMENT, BURDENS, HOSPITALS, ORPHANAGES, JAIL
 
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exelero

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Re: moving to another country, advice needed

Well just like overall satisfaction in life. I dont care much about making money so maybe love life and joining some cause like some lgbt organizations. So I guess, love life and/or social life.
 

JUPITERASC

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Re: moving to another country, advice needed

Well just like overall satisfaction in life.

I dont care much about making money

so maybe love life

and joining some cause like some lgbt organizations.
So I guess, love life and/or social life.


You are looking for prediction of events?

Event prediction is time consuming and difficult because you cannot use just one measure of prediction to be at all accurate. For example, if I see the potential of an injury accident in a transit chart, I need to see something similar in at least 3 other measures of prediction, like: surgery, doctors, hospitals, nurses, confinement, etc., and I have to hunt for it.

Here’s a comment that one of our moderators had for this:

"The questions you asked would take quite a lot of work to answer, and that's if they're taken up by someone who practices predictive astrology. This is an amateur forum, and most of the people who frequent the Read My Chart board do not study or practice the kind of predictive astrology you're looking for. If you really want answers, that's what professional astrologers are for. Even then, not all professional astrologers make those kinds of predictions.”

And even with all this, if it turns out that

you have character flaws that make it difficult

for you to sustain a relationship, or

you don’t have the prerequisite skills

or experience for a job, it may still not come to fruition.
So relocation not necessarily "...the solution..." :smile:

because
as quoted:

"... if it turns out that
you have character flaws
that make it difficult
for you to sustain a relationship..."
"...it may still not come to fruition.."

.
 

exelero

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Oh, in my case i think definitely the further the better... :smile: I don't mind living in a smaller town either. Are relocation charts valid? I know you only have one natal chart and that is the main thing, but when you move somewhere permanently life is going to change mildly at least up to drastically. So relocation chart seem legit in that way, because planets may move into different houses?
 

exelero

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Yes i see it. Both 11th and 5th house are slightly weaker and 7th on the bottom again. Thanx for the explanation.

If you have time these days or whenever i am really curious about finland and netherlands too. Even before this possible move i was drawn to ireland, norway, netherlands, finland ( even portugal and spain). Funny you mentioned Philadelphia, when i was in college i went to baltimore and new hampshire for one summer, work and travel programme. Totally different vibes and energy than europe. I liked it actually, especially NH.
 

exelero

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Wow, Portugal is really different. Yes 7th house much better. Maybe i am better of across the ocean but that is not possible right now and i am not prepared for something like that frankly.

Lagos looks really beautiful, i just checked it. But you are right about language also. That is why i look towards north more, in scandinavia and netherlands you can function with english just fine and in ireland obviosly.

If you have time someday to look for ireland, norway, netherlands and finland, i am more interested in smaller cities like galway (ireland), trondheim (norway) , utrecht (netherlands) and turku (finland). Rents are way way higher in capitals in europe, plus traffic and i like more laid back places.
 

Samantha Bean

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Lets go back to the original again, as I may have made some errors.

You wanted to see an improvement in the Friends/romance 5th house axis with a side light of partnerships.

This is what you have now:
1. You can see that the 11th house of friendships and outlook for the future is very powerful, and you are motivated, but whenever you try to use use it you get constant road blocks. Thus your desire to move

2. The fifth house of creativity and romance is ok in power, but very very low in friction so a little effort here goes a long way, but getting to romance from friendship to start is hard since that first step is often still born.

3. The seventh house of partnerships has no power at all, and is somewhat friction producing, which means you would have to work at that, but you have trouble getting there to even try.

Is this about right?

What you want to look at is several other places to see if they will boost your friendship without destroying your romance and partnership, right?
 

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Samantha Bean

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You want to look at these places:

galway (ireland)
turku (finland)
utrecht (netherlands)
trondheim (norway)
Madrid (spain)

I’m glad you didn’t list France. When I visited Germany for 10 days because my son was doing an internship there in experimental nuclear physics, and we visited France, they would not even talk to us unless we first tried to speak French. /so if you don't speak French now, they are not going to even let you speak english.
 

exelero

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Yeah i heard that about france. I am practical because i dont speak many languages so i am looking for an english speakng country , that is only ireland in EU. And also some countries where you can use english in the beginning without problems and i heard about netherlands, and some countries in scandinavia. But scandinavian climate is very harsh plus little sunshine thus finland and norway are out.

So, only Galway , Utrecht and Madrid. I threw Madrid in because i just love everything about spain, language, movies, music, architecture, food, culture, climate...
 

exelero

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Lets go back to the original again, as I may have made some errors.

You wanted to see an improvement in the Friends/romance 5th house axis with a side light of partnerships.

This is what you have now:
1. You can see that the 11th house of friendships and outlook for the future is very powerful, and you are motivated, but whenever you try to use use it you get constant road blocks. Thus your desire to move

2. The fifth house of creativity and romance is ok in power, but very very low in friction so a little effort here goes a long way, but getting to romance from friendship to start is hard since that first step is often still born.

3. The seventh house of partnerships has no power at all, and is somewhat friction producing, which means you would have to work at that, but you have trouble getting there to even try.

Is this about right?

What you want to look at is several other places to see if they will boost your friendship without destroying your romance and partnership, right?
Yes that's right, when you described houses to me i understood that i am 5th/11th house person plus a bit of 7th.
 

Samantha Bean

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Let's Look at Galway.

You will notice that the 11th/5th house axis is both strong and with low friction.

And while the 7th house for partnerships, has no power, it also doesn't have any friction. this means that when it comes to partnerships you will need to work at them every dy of your partnership. The partnership will not run itself.

Assuming that this is a workable choice, and we will look at the others, too, the question is whether you are willing to address issues of your personality which may intervene even though you have an ideal geographical location. And this also includes situational issues based on your base personality analysis, that have nothing to do with being in Galway. And if you want to use astrology to do that?

Finding a better spot still doesn’t fix the everyday issues of you. As they used to say in the 1960’s: Everywhere you go, there you are. You still have your Saturn squaring your Ascendent and in the 5th house. These are birth tendencies that won’t go away. You still have Venus out of bounds by declination. You still have natally the Moon sesq Neptune, and Mercury ssq the midheaven. And you may have situational issues shown by your life challenges ast they unfold now, since the challenges of your birth chart have either been dealt with my now or they won’t be.
 

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Samantha Bean

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Utrecht is not better than Galway, but better than where you live now.

Madrid is like where you are now with the 11th house being very high friction.

So of the places you gave me, Galway is definitely the choice.
 

exelero

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Thank you Samantha very much for your help and patience. So galway is the best option out of those and utrecht is 2nd. Cool. Ill have to check job opportunities and living expenses in the following weeks, although i already know that both countries are very expensive. Ireland more so and it is more isolated as an island. Those were the options i was gravitating to the most. It's nice to know that both places are better than where i am now. I'll have to work with my saturn 90 asc but at least it moved from 4th to 5th house. I think every chart has its ups and downs and i suppose some ''hard'' aspects are needed, luckily i dont have many of those, i think. I use it as a tool to more patient and wiser... And i think it gets easier with time for me. After all, nothing is perfect, right? You made me happy, thanks again.
 

Samantha Bean

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Thank you Samantha very much for your help and patience. So galway is the best option out of those and utrecht is 2nd. Cool. Ill have to check job opportunities and living expenses in the following weeks, although i already know that both countries are very expensive. Ireland more so and it is more isolated as an island. Those were the options i was gravitating to the most. It's nice to know that both places are better than where i am now. I'll have to work with my saturn 90 asc but at least it moved from 4th to 5th house. I think every chart has its ups and downs and i suppose some ''hard'' aspects are needed, luckily i dont have many of those, i think. I use it as a tool to more patient and wiser... And i think it gets easier with time for me. After all, nothing is perfect, right? You made me happy, thanks again.

Good thing is that Ireland did not leave the EU when the UK did.
 
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