Moon square Uranus and instability in the mother???

[Seymour]

Moon in 12th is difficult placement because is keeps emotions inside and doesn't share. surely though you have other aspects to your moon, after all 12th is a water house/pisces and very sacrificial, but I have found there is a resentment on some internal level towards mother....

Yes, I have others...
Moon Square Neptune,
Moon Trine Jupiter
Moon Trine Mars
Moon Sextile Sun
Moon Quincux Pluto
But it's not really a resentment with her,I don't blame her if our relationship turned out this way, its never only someone's fault in these things I believe...

 

[Vista]

As one who possesses an extremely tight, applying Moon-Uranus square aspect, with the Moon conjunct the Ascendant and Uranus conjunct the Midheaven, I must agree with this assessment. I do not perceive my mother as emotionally unstable, although she has this Moon-Uranus square aspect, as well, if her approximate time of birth is correct. Her Scorpio Moon and other Scorpio placements may incline her to reign in some of these strong emotions, though.

However, I admit she may exhbit an element of "emotional instability" in the matter through which she vents strong emotions. She often likens herself to a volcano; the frustration builds within her until it erupts in a mighty explosion of ash and lava. The explosions occur infrequently, yet they often devastate the landscape. Fortunately, the ash richens the soil so new vegetation may grow.

Arian Maverick

My mother has Moon(Taurus) conjunct Uranus(Gemini) and your description of your mother likening her temper to a "volcano" fits her to a tee! And let me tell you it devestates the landscape all round. She can say the meanest most vile things and 10 minutes ask "what you would like for dinner." I could never understand this explosive temper other than her Scorpio Sun Mecury Conjunction opposing her Moon. She also has Mars in Scorpio as well but not conjuncting the Sun Mercury in Scorpio. In fact, it doesn't aspect anything other than a rather wide square to her Pluto(7 degrees). That would explain part of the temper problem. The temper problem could also be partially explained by an unaspected Mars in Scorpio as well.

Interestingly, I did not end up with this aspect. As a matter of fact my Moon is involved in a Kite with Jupiter Neptune and the Sun making up the opposition.
Dated someone recently with a Moon Uranus square and unstable emotions certainly describes him.

Oh, and he didn't have a good relationship with his mother. He described her as "not be able to have empathy and compassion for people," which of course included him. Humm, the guy I dated before him my Uranus opposed his Moon. Interesting. Perhaps this is how I am living out that aspect since I don't have it in my own chart. And yes, the Moon square Uranus guy and I are over now becuase he did the break away thing two days after asking me to be his girlfriend. I guess i can't say I didn't see it coming since Uranus is the ruler of his 7th house.

 

[R4VEN]

In fact, it doesn't aspect anything other than a rather wide square to her Pluto(7 degrees). That would explain part of the temper problem. The temper problem could also be partially explained by an unaspected Mars in Scorpio as well.

I think the Scorpio Mars is responsible for your mother's temper outbursts. To be able to `devastate the landscape', and then act like nothing at all has happened could be either an unaspected Mars, or even a Mars square Pluto. In my mind, 7 deg is a square, but others may not agree. Either would work like you have described. When there's an unaspected planet, the person with it appears to have little insight as to how their expression of it affects others. This is mostly noticeable when either Sun or Mars is unaspected.

The above would not be helped by a Uranus-Moon conjunction, but that conjunction alone would (probably, IMO) not produce volcanic outbursts.

 

[astrologer50]

Vista,

Dated someone recently with a Moon Uranus square and unstable emotions certainly describes him.

Oh, and he didn't have a good relationship with his mother. He described her as "not be able to have empathy and compassion for people," which of course included him. Humm, the guy I dated before him my Uranus opposed his Moon

I'm with Raven here, and these men you date with this aspect MUST have other aspects from moon. Just don't feel it's fair to 'type cast' ALL moon/uranus as the same. Different signs moons react differently then you need to look at what house it's in. Like another member her moon is in 12th (cadent house) which is harder to access and identify with those moon energies anyway. Sweeping statements like the above could be put down to lots of other influences in a birth chart. Uranus wants excitement, stimulas, intuitiveness, invention-- it doesn't want boring run of the mill, safe, 9-5 where nothing is happening....

Plus you have to understand being female)) that ALL men are emotionally retarded and verbally inept. I think it's a woman's job lot in life to help/teach men to vocalise these 'feelings and thoughts' --

 

[Vista]

Vista,

I'm with Raven here, and these men you date with this aspect MUST have other aspects from moon. Just don't feel it's fair to 'type cast' ALL moon/uranus as the same. Different signs moons react differently then you need to look at what house it's in. Like another member her moon is in 12th (cadent house) which is harder to access and identify with those moon energies anyway. Sweeping statements like the above could be put down to lots of other influences in a birth chart. Uranus wants excitement, stimulas, intuitiveness, invention-- it doesn't want boring run of the mill, safe, 9-5 where nothing is happening....

Plus you have to understand being female)) that ALL men are emotionally retarded and verbally inept. I think it's a woman's job lot in life to help/teach men to vocalise these 'feelings and thoughts' --

You are right in that we shouldn't type cast anyone with just this one aspect.

Given that he does have a Taurus Moon and he does have a trine to Capricorn Saturn, I thought it would have a stabilizing effect on his Moon and offset his Moon Uranus Square(technically it really should have), but in his case it doesn’t. He has others planetary placements that I believe contribute to his wishy washiness though. Really, in his own opinion he describes himself as very wishy washy in relationships. I agree given that he is almost 50 years old, never married, and the longest relationship he has had has been only 2 years, I believe that the Moon Uranus square is much more active in his chart. His Moon is in the 10th Squaring Uranus in the 1st. As I mentioned, Uranus rules his 7th House. He also has Venus and Mercury in Pisces’, with Aries Sun and Leo Ascendant. Taurus Moon wants commitment, Pisces Mercury and Venus are intuitive, gentle, and sensitive, but indecisive and fickle; and Aries Sun and Leo ASC wants freedom. All of this coupled with Mars in Aquarius makes for a very "split" personality I would think. Going back to the original post regarding Moon Uranus in hard aspect showing problems with the mother, this is true in his case and I believe he is living this out in his relationships.

 

[franklin taylor]

Who knows really.... My ex-wife has Moon square Uranus ...her mother was cold and aloof to her and everyone at times before, for her mother was a Paranoid Schizophrenic. More interestingly though, her mother was Scorpio Sun and ex was Scorpio Moon and has some symptoms of the illness imprinted upon herself. Paranoid Schizophrenics are the most "functional" types of that group of illnesses due to their ability to "hide it" to a point. Anyways, upon examining my sisters charts... I have two sisters..One, whose Moon and Uranus are squaring near exact.. less than a degree orb my other sister's is 4 degrees...my mother treats the two quite differently quite unfortunately. I'd have to say, my mother "picks" favorites. The one daughter with the tightest orb of Moon square Uranus ...58 minutes of a degree... is her favorite. Mom really is tight with my one sister. That sister, (Mom and her Venus' are near exact...35 minutes.. Inconjunct) is Capricorn Sun, was always super responsible, and has the caring for mother thing down pat though. My other..Sagittarian sister (My mother's Mars conjuncts her Sun near exact and Uranus is in h2) with the Moon squaring Uranus aspect is more of a free spirit who was never that responsible and that was the thing my mom looked for I suppose...having NN in Capricorn, (not conjuncting my sister's Sun) and Moon and Venus in Virgo. Both sisters are registered nurses with two totally different approaches to nursing. Both also have Venus opposition Uranus. Both Sister's Venus' near conjunct my Aquarius Ascendant.. my Cappy sister (Uranus in h7 ..like me) has near the same Aquarius ascendant as I within 9 minutes of a degree ..so I get along with both of them fine. Moon square Uranus is symbolic of an internal urge to escape this current reality, and redefine your reality in some way..change your identity in some way. The house placement of both the Moon and Uranus may make the difference in how they relate to my mom obviously. One major similarity with my Sagittarian Sister and my ex-wife they both have the Uranus in the 2nd house which might denote someone with not necessarily a stable sense of security.. with unpredictable Uranus being there. My Saggy sister has never appeared stable, completely, just like my ex.. another curiousity...they both have Scorpio Moon.
Take care
Franklin

 

[astro09]

I have seen moon in hard aspects to uranus people to have a sense of abandonment. Their have been, probably an important woman, most commonly the mother, leaving somekind of unease footprint on the native. There have been some that after becoming adults break up relationships, perhaps (subconscientiously) in fear of been abandoned, they withdraw others first.

 

[R4VEN]

I have seen moon in hard aspects to uranus people to have a sense of abandonment. Their have been, probably an important woman, most commonly the mother, leaving somekind of unease footprint on the native. There have been some that after becoming adults break up relationships, perhaps (subconscientiously) in fear of been abandoned, they withdraw others first.

astro09, that makes a lot of sense to me. I have noticed this also, but had not attributed it to this placement. The 3 people I know quite well with this placement all have strange on-off responses from their mothers, where she's all over them one minute, and remote and cold the next.

Thanks for the info.

 

[astrologer50]

I have seen moon in hard aspects to uranus people to have a sense of abandonment. Their have been, probably an important woman, most commonly the mother, leaving somekind of unease footprint on the native. There have been some that after becoming adults break up relationships, perhaps (subconscientiously) in fear of been abandoned, they withdraw others first.

I'm total opposite of this statement. I have moon sqare uranus and squ sun. Uranus is my chart ruler in7th and conj Sun/Moon midpoint. So uranus is pretty damned important in my chart. My mother worked 24/7 as hotelier, was always there--- so never felt abadoned or had a fear of abandonment.

I can never identify with any of these common generalitieis of moon/uranus aspects at all. Aries Moon in3rd conj 4th cusp -- yep quite fiery espec when younger. Although I did/do feel emotionally detached from her, we never had a strong bond and it was on/off type with my father acting as 'bridge or negotiator' This has never affected my adult life or relationships.

Aquarius Asc and hard aspects to lights I do accept and want to be that unique individual and not an extension of my parents projections. Extremely independent (cos this was the conditioning from childhood) left home on my 16th birthday. My attitude is 'The past does not equal the future'

 

[astro09]

I remember three sibblings, all of them having moon square uranus. There was almost always something going on with their mother: working, studying or else. The children did not share with her much time, due to her busy life. They had shown certain behavior in which she had noticed how they wanted to be with her for longer period of time.

I am not qualified to be a psychologist, but I know that there is more than one way in which one can feel that sense of abandonment: of coming and going...that on and off kind of relationship; or the permenent removal of the mother at early age, as I have seen in various ways; and so on...

 

[astrologer50]

keywords for anything aspecting Uranus has to be --- independent, freedom, individuality, uniqueness, wanting to be different, daring, exciting. So linked to moon could suggest emotionally they want to do something unusual, different and exciting to feed the emotional, nurturing nature.

Square to sun can suggest impatience but again also wanting to do something of value that involves the ego/pride and is ' a bit different' or unusual in some way but with freedom to chose and act independantly.

 

[franklin taylor]

astrologer50 wrote

I'm total opposite of this statement. I have moon sqare uranus and squ sun. Uranus is my chart ruler in7th and conj Sun/Moon midpoint. So uranus is pretty damned important in my chart. My mother worked 24/7 as hotelier, was always there--- so never felt abadoned or had a fear of abandonment.

I can never identify with any of these common generalitieis of moon/uranus aspects at all. Aries Moon in3rd conj 4th cusp -- yep quite fiery espec when younger. Although I did/do feel emotionally detached from her, we never had a strong bond and it was on/off type with my father acting as 'bridge or negotiator' This has never affected my adult life or relationships.

Aquarius Asc and hard aspects to lights I do accept and want to be that unique individual and not an extension of my parents projections. Extremely independent (cos this was the conditioning from childhood) left home on my 16th birthday. My attitude is 'The past does not equal the future'...end quote



This is somewhat ..what I was trying to point out nicely.... and have mentioned in the "Astrology indicating Death" thread I had chimed in on as well... We can be the victim,(victim only once, as an adult, then after that, we have become volunteers), of other people's transits and or aspects.... Other people's "junk" is of no fault of our own, and particularly not the fault of a defenseless child who can be a victim of parents careless whims. We all react much the same when these things occur as a basic psychological reaction... fear of abandonment, for one, at one level or another. C'mon, in the United States here a wide margin of families are single parent, and therefore there are undeniable abandonment issues whether they will face it or not. They all can't have Moon squaring Uranus. Due to the previous generation of so many divorces.

So many are forgetting how to commit, or how to stay committed. Its what we are learning, much lesser of what we are born with when it comes to interacting with other people and their wacky behavior and our own as well . We can only conduct and maintain one being.. healthfully... in this world..Ourselves. .Like all things discussed, we should be more poignant in disproving the astrology's "gray areas" to where the provable will be refined and the "babble chaff" will be blown away, so that a purer product will show through. Just like science works through trial and error.

Astrology, by an large, can indicate how we express our inner selves (Sun), react and "feel" (Moon), appear to be presenting ourselves, often enough, contradicting our Sun and even Moon sign to others (Ascendant), Communicate and analyze (Mercury), Love, sensualize, express love, and appreciate finer things (or not) (Venus), express aggression; physical and sexual assertiveness thus asserting ourselves (Mars), feel inspiration (Jupiter), how we discipline ourselves in all ways through life's lessons karma (Saturn), express our personal genius, whatever that may be (Uranus), transcend our Egos (Neptune), Rebirth ourselves in the face of our adversity (Pluto) and so on concerning asteroids and such. Yes there are many more adjectives (obviously) with each planet and body. All I am saying is that although Aspects like Moon square Uranus are symbolic of recurring THEMES in our PERSONAL lives. We must strive to assimilate, reconcile, within our psyches. Our actions can affect our outside world, but will never be the indicator of all the things we may be forced to endure ...they will indicate how we react to those things that have bewildered and broken our hearts... But not way imply that they will be encountered in this life. When you have interacted with other people ( and that is nearly impossibly unavoidable)... you have to consider their part in the "hurt" as well. A mother dumping all her Adult/Social "baggage" upon a child is always and forever going to make a child insecure.. no matter what aspect is going on natally in the child. Because of the Child's Moon placement..it will indicate to what degree, the intensity of how indelibile the scar (reaction/Moon) will be upon the child. Some Moon signs are more resilient than others.

Astro09,
I understand what you say in this last statement. Being the youngest of eight children, I felt abandonment to a strong degree myself. Eight kids equals dysfunction everytime..LOL Youngest not only means spoiled but ..scapegoat as well , I fit that title well..we had nothing to be spoiled over ..I can remember well ..Viaing for my Mother's attention for 5 minutes ..she and my father worked 60 and 90 miles from home, and their time was so limited.. my father was so busy with his "public" beyond workdays he was scarcely around. My mother opted to stay home when not at work. Besides the fact of being molested by one babysitter, who later was a self proclaimed "Black witch" I can still remember images and pieces of it which invade a splintered second of my waking memory... A memory of being in some candlelit room and touched, on a daily basis..... I was always in fear of them dying in a car wreck..to a deep degree as well as being afraid of babysitters. My fifth house Moon square my second house Saturn my explain such insecurities in me, but not the reasons that lead up to that insecurity..it happened in circumstances beyond my personal control or reponsibility.

 

[astrologer50]

Franklin,

Moon square Uranus is symbolic of an internal urge to escape this current reality, and redefine your reality in some way..change your identity in some way. The house placement of both the Moon and Uranus may make the difference in how they relate to my mom obviously

By and large everyone, at some point will want to 'escape this current reality' have a bit of excitement and want to do something different--- won't they?

I think the problem (to me anyway) of just identifying or singling out just one aspect or facet of someone's personality from a chart can be quite damaging-- without looking at the whole chart and 'other aspects' from moon and uranus and this is where I object most. My moon is conj sun, very close trine to Pluto in 7th and sext mars in 5th. I have stellium planets in 4th taurus and am very placid laid back, romantic with stubborn streak when I set my mind on something.......

Astrology, by an large, can indicate how we express our inner selves (Sun), react and "feel" (Moon), appear to be presenting ourselves, often enough, contradicting our Sun and even Moon sign to others (Ascendant),

It's no good suggesting these 'aspects or facets of our personality' are all subjective or unconscious if we cannot identify with them. By disecting and analysing just this aspect suggests these natives constantly or on a daily basis express their emotional and intuitive nature is erratic, cold, dysfunctional ways is ridiculous. We must look at charts and see the other aspects and house placements of moon and uranus for the bigger picture here

I will however, concede that IF moon square uranus is very prominent (angluar) and has no other 'nice easy aspects' to offset this --then that individual may have issues to with abandonment or emotionally erratic behaviour (poss learnt from mother) and like I said in post 31

keywords for anything aspecting Uranus has to be --- independent, freedom, individuality, uniqueness, wanting to be different, daring, exciting. So linked to moon could suggest emotionally they want to do something unusual, different and exciting to feed the emotional, nurturing nature.

This doesn't mean natives act in this manner every single day, it would be like living with a time bomb on a knife edge --- and I don't accept this

In all this thread no-one has offered up a natal chart to substantiate there claims for proper evaluation and we can only talk generalities on this aspect otherwise. But we must present a balanced view

 

[astro09]

Franklin Taylor, sorry for that experience with your babysitter. If think about it a babysitter is one who should take care of you, nurture you while your parents are away. Here I can see the moon. That unorthodox (unwanted experience) you went through can also be explained as well by the hard aspect between the moon and uranus in your chart....Besides what it has been already descrbed in terms of abandonmess

 

[Raquel]

Actually, I am Pisces Moon with MOON SQUARE URANUS.

And, my mother had scorpio Moon, actually, my mother was a great and nurturing mother, always hugging me, saying how much I was important to her.
She was my best friend, my pillar.

I have my moon in 8th house, that's explains, she died when I was fourteen.

But My mother was the best person I ever met.

I think Moon square uranus, means that we can be very rebel and unstable in emotions, just that.

 

[astropsychologist]

Raquel, Moon square Uranus is likely to represent a whole host of issues throughout your life. And the fact that your Mother died when you were young is Uranus/Moon aspect too, as it is indicative of an absent mother, and that absence can take many forms.

 

[Vista]

The more research I've done I think Moon in hard aspect to Uranus to me means the mother was not there for the child in some way. Whether that be through divorce, just simply not being there emotionally or physically, or through death it seems to always point to that.

 

[R4VEN]

The more research I've done I think Moon in hard aspect to Uranus to me means the mother was not there for the child in some way. Whether that be through divorce, just simply not being there emotionally or physically, or through death it seems to always point to that.

I tend to agree with that, Vista.

And the type of unavailability seems to be described by the sign/house of the Moon.
Just to give an example of what I mean:
My grandson has Moon in Sag in the 6th. His mother is a bit on-off with him, so he has learned to be an independent and resourceful little boy - Moon in Sag. His mother is frequently critical of him, and shuts herself off physically from him - Moon in 6th.
On the other hand, this child's mother has Moon in Pisces (her own mother had a severe anxiety disorder, and slept through most of her early childhood) in the 9th house, and loses herself in books or DVD's.

Both people I mention above adore their mothers, but their emerging personalities and expectations of how supportive or otherwise life is has been determined in part by their responses to their mother. I am eternally relieved that my grandson has taken it upon himself to be independent, because he could just as easily have been angry.

 

[Vista]

I tend to agree with that, Vista.

And the type of unavailability seems to be described by the sign/house of the Moon.
Just to give an example of what I mean:
My grandson has Moon in Sag in the 6th. His mother is a bit on-off with him, so he has learned to be an independent and resourceful little boy - Moon in Sag. His mother is frequently critical of him, and shuts herself off physically from him - Moon in 6th.
On the other hand, this child's mother has Moon in Pisces (her own mother had a severe anxiety disorder, and slept through most of her early childhood) in the 9th house, and loses herself in books or DVD's.

Both people I mention above adore their mothers, but their emerging personalities and expectations of how supportive or otherwise life is has been determined in part by their responses to their mother. I am eternally relieved that my grandson has taken it upon himself to be independent, because he could just as easily have been angry.

Excellent point R4VEN, I will look more in depth at this.

 

[Aquachime]

My mother has Moon inconjunct Uranus and square Saturn. I have 2deg Moon square 2deg Uranus. My daughter has her Moon square my Moon/Uranus aspect exact. I believe we are working through this generational theme of mother/daughter erratic nurturing. I also have 2 sons with no hard Moon/Uranus aspects. I am the first child for my mother and my daughter is the first child of mine.

My mother was a very unstable mothering figure for me. She had some very good reasons for this lack of bonding and subsequent rejecting behaviours as per her highly unusual early upbringing.

I rebelled by becoming a single mum and using my motherhood to try and fight for issues that I thought were unfair eg child support issues, keeping the kids in my name only, rebelling against court decisions around custody issues, etc. I was also working and had a bit of a bohemian attitude to what constituted my home and family life eg my daughter;s father would come over (we were exes) and have dinner with my new partner & I or we would all socialise together while it was his access weekend with my daughter. So my daughter probably would see me as too free or involved in fighting for rights instead of consistent nurturing.

My daughter in turn has adopted a very traditional mothering role with her 2 young sons eg a great cook, no court cases, has put them in the father;s name. Yet she is a single mum and allows her boys to be free in their self expression. My daughter rebelled aginst me for a year by cutting contact and not telling me she was pregnant with her 2nd baby. But you can;t fight your genes or early conditioning, because even without me in her life physically at that time, she remembered my battles and she walked out of an abortion clinic to have her youngest without any support.

So maybe what began as Moon/Uranus unemotional nurturing way back in our maternal family history is now morphing into positive free thinking maternal love.