military dictadorship inthe u.s.

wilsontc

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keep the conversation focused on the issues, to all

All,

Please keep the conversation focused on the issues. This is NOT about finding the "truth" of something, it's about expressing an opinion. Some may agree, some may disagree, and most won't care one way or the other. If you have something new to say, say it. If you just want to repeat that you are right and everyone else is wrong...DON'T. And STOP the personal attacks on others.

Back on subject,

Tim
 

CapAquaPis

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I really hope the US armed forces won't turn this country they are defending into that of a police state, but keep in mind we're still in the war on terror and must prevent another serious terror attack from happening.
 

JUPITERASC

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rahu

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it really makes me laugh that waybread and mso are attacking me as a conspiracy theorist.
i simply posted a link.

i made no independent conclusions.
so as it seems they haven't even read the link, will quote from the article to make it clear ,i am not a conspiracy theorist on this subject.

"civil right advocates and others were furious at the lawmakers for the brooad scope of the provisions,which could have allowed U.S.citizens on U.S.soil to be indefinetly detained without trial.

"democratic senators tired to amend the provisions but failed"

"sen. rand paul warned the provisions 'put every american citizen at risk' of being sent to guantanamo bay"

again this is not me saying these things.

rahu
 

JUPITERASC

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it really makes me laugh that waybread and mso are attacking me as a conspiracy theorist.
i simply posted a link.

i made no independent conclusions.
so as it seems they haven't even read the link, will quote from the article to make it clear ,i am not a conspiracy theorist on this subject.

"civil right advocates and others were furious at the lawmakers for the brooad scope of the provisions,which could have allowed U.S.citizens on U.S.soil to be indefinetly detained without trial.

"democratic senators tired to amend the provisions but failed"

"sen. rand paul warned the provisions 'put every american citizen at risk' of being sent to guantanamo bay"

again this is not me saying these things.

rahu
Often rahu, in life one is misunderstood :smile:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElrXrE8AmIc

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/12/11/a-dangerous-woman-indefinite-detention-at-carswell/

What if the government decided to invent a great lie to justify a disastrous war? What would happen to the people who know the truth? EXTREME PREJUDICE delivers an explosive, high tension expose of the real facts surrounding the CIA's advance warning of 9/11 and an insider's look at Iraqi Pre-War Intelligence, told by one of the very few U.S. Assets covering Iraq before the War. It reveals the depths of deception by leaders in Washington and London to promote a questionable image of their successful anti-terrorism policy, and the shocking brutality used to suppress that truth from the American people and the world community.

http://www.amazon.com/Extreme-Prejudice-Terrifying-Story-Patriot/dp/1453642757
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUokwxWwwWk
 
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sandstone

Banned
eisenhowers farewell address in 1961.. it is now 50 years past, or is it?

http://www.ourdocuments.gov/doc.php?flash=true&doc=90&page=transcript

smedley butler quotes

"War is a racket. It always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small 'inside' group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes."

from his book - war is a racket..

"I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents."


coincidence theorists and conspiracy theorists join hands, lol...
 

JUPITERASC

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Informative video of The Carlisle Group and their activities :smile:

The Carlisle Group is a massive "private equity firm," which raises money from wealthy individuals and companies, and then reinvests the money into private defense companies with extremely high profit margins.

It is made up of well known politicians such as George Bush, Sr. and James Baker, and it is one of the most powerful elements of the "military industrial complex," which is a business built around the defense industry being so large and powerful that it able to influence the politics of war.

This video discusses the structure of the group and explains its history of many abuses.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3Sb6rvVRJo&feature=related
 

piercethevale

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OKAY...apparently that vid is months old...but was reposted this morning. I hadn't seen it before...makes little diff. really, but it did get my blood pressure so **** high that I am now hyperventilating into a brown paper bag.
 

JUPITERASC

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US Presidents and what they have in common: 25 of the 44 Presidents of the US have been lawyers. Obama is a lawyer. In general, who trusts lawyers? http://www.legallanguage.com/legal-articles/us-presidents-lawyers/ Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton are both lawyers - Bill Clinton was temporarily barred for lying under oath during the Lewinsky enquiry but has since had his lawyers license restored.

Bush applied to study law at UT and Harvard Law, but was not accepted into either school. :smile:

Harry Truman studied law at the University of Missouri-Kansas School of Law (at that time called Kansas City Law School) but never earned a degree and Roosevelt studied law at Columbia without ever completing his degree.

UK
British Prime Ministers Addington, Grenville, Percival, Canning, Disraeli, Asquith, Lloyd George, Atlee and Blair were all lawyers and Tony Blair's wife Cherie Blair is a Q.C. (Queen's Counsel - top level lawyer)

UPDATE: "SETTING THE STAGE FOR THE AMERICAN POLICE STATE"
2 January 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BupZNNNYi0U



 

piercethevale

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...The last temptation offered to Yeshua by [was it:devil: Satan :devil:or :devil:Lucifer?:devil:..I forget..as there is a diff.] after, money, flesh, whathaveyou, was 'Political power':devil: , as, I recall, the :devil:Protagonist' :devil:said something to the effect; :devil:"I own the whole Megillha. I own them all.":devil:
 
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waybread

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The reason why you want a fair number of lawyers in the legislative branch is that legislators make laws-- that ideally do not contradict other laws or (in the US) the Constitution. The average non-lawyer has no competence in this area. Ditto for the executive branch. They have to enforce laws.
 

QuaternityEagle

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That's it, unless the US starts playing nice I'm talking back Jim Carrey, Robin William, Avril Lavigne, and Alanis Morrissette. ;)

Sorry, did not intend to make light of this thread. There is definitely from what I've observed, a concern with Americans that is a combination of reputation, money, and physical safety, that seems to alarm them to make urgent government calls that truly are excessive. Yet, 9/11 is/was must have been terrifying... but then again, you keep looking for terrorists and treating people like terrorists, or do everything with the concern of terrorism.... aren't you just going to keep "creating terrorism" as you seek it out, since things become a "warning sign" of terrorism and not ACTUAL terrorism... and then so many things could be warning signs.
 

piercethevale

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Often rahu, in life one is misunderstood :smile:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElrXrE8AmIc

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/12/11/a-dangerous-woman-indefinite-detention-at-carswell/

What if the government decided to invent a great lie to justify a disastrous war? What would happen to the people who know the truth? EXTREME PREJUDICE delivers an explosive, high tension expose of the real facts surrounding the CIA's advance warning of 9/11 and an insider's look at Iraqi Pre-War Intelligence, told by one of the very few U.S. Assets covering Iraq before the War. It reveals the depths of deception by leaders in Washington and London to promote a questionable image of their successful anti-terrorism policy, and the shocking brutality used to suppress that truth from the American people and the world community.

http://www.amazon.com/Extreme-Prejudice-Terrifying-Story-Patriot/dp/1453642757
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUokwxWwwWk

I am a bit behind in following this thread..thus i didn't get around to checking out the book, "Extreme Prejudice", until today. I was stunned to read this about the author:

"As a U.S. Intelligence Asset, Susan Lindauer covered anti-terrorism at the Iraqi Embassy in New York from 1996 up to the invasion. Independent sources have confirmed that she gave advance warning about the 9/11 attack. She also started talks for the Lockerbie Trial with Libyan diplomats.

Shortly after requesting to testify before Congress about successful elements of Pre-War Intelligence, Lindauer became one of the first non-Arab Americans arrested on the Patriot Act as an "Iraqi Agent." She was accused of warning her second cousin, White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card and Secretary of State Colin Powell that War with Iraq would have catastrophic consequences. Gratis of the Patriot Act, her indictment was loaded with "secret charges" and "secret evidence." She was subjected to one year in prison on Carswell Air Force Base in Fort Worth, Texas without a trial or hearing, and threatened with indefinite detention and forcible drugging to shut her up.

After five years of indictment without a conviction or guilty plea, the Justice Department dismissed all charges five days before President Obama's inauguration.
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I am curious exactly what is "a U.S. Intelligence Asset". whether that designates Her as having been 'on the payroll' or if that just means, 'someone that has a file on them in Langley, Virginia.' ?
If she is, in someway regarded as, a member of the military then what was done to her might be a bit outside of my cause for concerns ...if she is only a citizen of interest then it seems most certain that the last administration has yet another illegal act to be charged with.
This all sounds more like the acts of some junta in a small Central or South American nation or one in Africa than the United States of America.
I have a creeping feeling that the U.S.A. this spring and summer may at some point look like a reenactment of 1968. Chicago Convention, the demonstrations, the speeches and the rally's of support or dissension...but more intense and of more of a broader base of racial, political and non secular origin...a wider cross section of American society, cohesive and directed, in a more specific and a more unified cause. The 'Cause', being that of trying to hold on to what Freedom and what Justice..what little of "IT"...that we still have and to get back what we once had returned intact. I fear if we don't take some of "IT" back this year and establish, what ever "The Fix", that it must be so that "IT", can never again deliberately, as thus presently, be so weakened as "IT" presently is, that "IT" will be gone for ever in the U.S.


cue the music...[as this is so appropriate]
Hold on to Freedom - Lee Michaels "Live"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBRCJvAu22w&feature=related
I nominate it for this years 'Street Anthem'....
 
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JUPITERASC

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Hi JupiterAsc, Cherie Blair is related to John Wilkes Booth and the assassination of Lincoln, 2 pages below:-
http://www.mauricefernandez.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2094
according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wilkes_Booth - Booth was the great-great-great-grandfather of Cherie Blair (née Booth)
Love the Booth Grave in Baltimore, nice obelisk, oops, Osiris symbol?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Booth_family_gravesite.jpg
Curiouser and curiouser Monk :smile:
 
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